I have been commenting my concerns over street protests, for organizing under the banner of pizzagate/ pedogate across multiple subs. I want to share my concerns here concisely, and remind all people considering such actions to remember Cointelpro tactics which are almost certainly being used to undermine our collective efforts.
The decentralization of this investigation thus far has been one of the most valuable aspects. We are across multiple platforms, and awareness about Satanic ritual abuse among other things is rising rapidly. This is all great! However, the "power of the people" is when the people have come to a cultural consensus on an issue, and with pizzagate , I argue, we are near critical mass on this issue in the USA, but not quite there. I think Street events and protests have a purpose, and need to be utilized like a tool. Think like Soros. If the event doesn't achieve media that is on message, than it was a waste of time. If the media attention actually detracts from the narrative, and takes away credibility from the cause, its doubly as bad.
We know the opposition to this issue are masters at subversion of organizations (again remember cointelpro).
Hosting a Street event, assuming it garners any publicity at all, suddenly centralizes the cause around a figureheads like david seaman, titus, or V.L., who are already creating fissures within the investigative community because not everyone trusts their credibility.
anyone who disagrees i want to hear what you think these events could possibly achieve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
"COINTELPRO (a portmanteau derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and often illegal,[1][2] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting and disrupting American political organizations.[3]"
▼ druhill007
hehe protests can be good for sure.
i'm arguing for protest tactics :)
▼ zlomsocz
My point exactly, pointing people to YouTube videos in the streets of DC to explain your pleas are going to harm the cause
▼ druhill007
We need to be spending more energy on figuring out HOW to handle the protest, because whether it's a tactically astute manouver or not it's still going to happen.
Gotta prepare for fake plant pizzagaters. Bet you 100 bucks there'll be somebody in a pizza suit yelling "DEATH TO THE JEWS. THE JEWS ARE EATING ALL OF OUR BABIES!!! BURN IN HELL FOR ALL OF ETERNITY!!!!"
So what do we do when that happens?
▼ SterlingJB
Can't help picturing the Westboro type protest at the pizza shop last month. Wasn't pretty.
▼ huhhh
I don't see it, to me it's about as useful as a petition.
▼ ashes_anon
If you show up to the protest and reveal your identity, what were you gonna accomplish anyway
▼ 153sdsd
suddenly centralizes the cause around a figureheads like david seaman, titus, or V.L.who are already creating fissures within the investigative community because not everyone trusts their credibility.
"credibility" is what the media has, it is what got us here, spreading the message is all we got, protest and go out to be seen, it is the only way, dont let yourselves be scared by the people who tell you to shut up about this or try to shut seaman and others on phony bases
▼ zlomsocz
that naivety is a problem, nobody is telling anybody to do anything except be weary, please explain what protesting would accomplish with the post above considered.?
▼ 153sdsd
Spreading the message, you may be pretty informed, but most people got stuck at comet pizza out there, we need to pull them a bit deeper
▼ Touchdown50
I agree. Watch out for cointelpro. And watch out for infiltraitors.
▼ equineluvr
I can see both sides. This is one of those situations that doesn't have a "right" answer.
How long are we gonna be keyboard warriors? How much "evidence" is enough? There was plenty of evidence with Franklin but nothing happened except Lawrence King went down.
Also keep in mind that the landscape is changing. Twitter, Google, and YouTube are censoring. Will that be better or worse in the future? Nobody knows.
I have read that PG interest is beginning to wane but have no idea if it's true.
OTOH, the cons have valid points. Infiltration and violence are real possibilities, as are being ignored by media or pilloried by them.
Ultimately, I think it comes down to TIMING. Is this the right time? Can we afford to wait? Nobody has a crystal ball, which i why it's ultimately a judgment call for each individual.
▼ abcdefg222
When is it a bad time to speak up for children? What is the alternative? Remain silent? Yes, there probably will be some pedophiles saying disgusting things to undermine the evidence at these events... but that's not us. I think a positive message supported by some very real facts could open some eyes. We are democrat, rebuplican, Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, gay, straight... but none of that matters when it comes to abusing children. We at not ok with it and it is NOT a partisan issue. The protestors can hopefully convey that through message and signage. I won't be able to be there but will make/send signs or do what I can to help. I can't think of anytime better than now and I want us to stand up for these children. I have been scared to speak out about this for a million reasons but none of them are more important than protecting our children. They are all excuses and I don't want to be a fake anymore.
▼ Cleareyes
I wonder too, i supported the Standing Rock protests and they had a great approach of promoting spirituality and non violent resistance. This made it easier for people to digest and get behind in supporting it, but it was also genuine and sincere. Near the end they were being hijacked by liberal protesters leaving trash and refusing to leave when asked to by the tribe. But when it came down to supporting Trump, considering standing rock and pedogate...i chose the kids and God. When i spent a week pondering which way to go on this, with Trump supporting the pipelines and still choosing to support Trump - a bob marley song came on and i heard the line "don't worry about atomic energy, they cannot stop the time" lol weird how these answers come to you at the oddest times. So i chose to abandon my cultural norms and maintain loyalty to pizzagate/pedogate. Plus i strategically understand that if Trump is really going after the pedos then he can't piss off the business and energy guys, he would not have gotten this far if he did, i understand that he has to play a complex game and i am willing to give him a chance.
So in terms of protests and effectiveness, i'm starting to wonder myself. I saw the spiritual approach win in terms of drawing global support and discussion but it didn't win at the end of the day - the pipeline is going forward.
▼ zlomsocz
Well said, we need to remember basic action / reaction effect
▼ Touchdown50
I understand your sentiment but we must be careful in our strategy. The cabal are watching us. They are aware. Any false move by the investigate pg community can be detrimental to the public understanding and supporting the cause
▼ abcdefg222
Then when? How? I don't see the alternative.
▼ Touchdown50
Not during trumps 4 years or 8 Thats for sure but i feel these protests may just backfire and instead of helping to Stop elite child abuse and trafficking it just may help the pedo community gain support from the liberals and sjws to legalize Pedophilia and protect it Like gay marriage. Thats the only logical conclusion i can think of . look what happened with the travel ban . people went to support the Muslims and call for a boycott instead of a support.
▼ zlomsocz
I argue it's not been denounced enough when I get mad down voats and nobody explaining why they think protests are useful, find it very curious.
▼ SayWhatNOWAY
Pd BLM MFers would show up and cause problems!
▼ Jem777
Agreed. The urge to march is understandable but you are playing right into their hands. In fact Soros will fund opposition & pretend marchers just to cause problems and tear all of our work down. Great progress had Bennett made just yesterday when AG Sessions made all US attourney resign. The one that held out Preet Baharra was actually in charge of the Clinton Server & wiener laptop. President Trump personally fired him. Let them work and tighten the nooses around their own necks. These pedos are scared sh..Tless right now. Escpecially now that the CIA is being exposed through wikileaks. Wikileaks is going to continue to drop bombshells and all these politicians, charities, etc will be caught red handed. Operation postcard is a great idea.
▼ Cleareyes
300k people protested in Belgium and nothing came out of it, the elite implicated in the occult and pedo ring were never touched. Americans have traditionally been viewed as ballsy brash risk takers, manly men etc. That view is changing, i mean the south koreans can sustain million person protests to oust their satanist leader but the Americans are like cowed sheeple, where are the militia men and other american groups who other perceive as the last line of defence against a corrupt government? I'm no one to talk though, i'm Canadian and we're the definition of limp-wristed pansies, but fack...American culture gave me hope that the sub-culture alone would make it extremely difficult to "take over". Good luck fighting the freedom and gun loving ballsy Americans i thought. Not sure what to think now, still hope in God though.
▼ Touchdown50
But is south Korea as divided politically and ideologically like the u.s. ? Probably not and that maybe why over a million people can successfully protest and remove their satanic president
▼ Cleareyes
I don't know, i would think that the US - with its 300M population compared to SK 50M pop., and factoring in all of the sub-culture and historical differences - that the US would have a similar vocal and aggressive pushback, even moreso. I'm still in the process of wrapping my head around this though, a lot of things to factor in and also to project new tactics based on past knowledge of similar events will be tricky. The last big movement was the civil rights movement right? The younger generations (most of us) would have zero knowledge of direct action and sustained protests lasting years to affect societal change, and even then they were betrayed by trusted insiders steering policy that resulted in the ghettos and cornering them into poverty and crime, all the while parading itself as hope and change for the marginalized.
▼ Touchdown50
Then again maybe 8 years of obama really has taken the power of the people and given it to the state. I think the one thing people protest over if the police killed another black man. I dont think people really care of pizzagate much.
▼ Cleareyes
I notice a lot of different people posting about it, different articles, forums, social media etc. I think a lot care but are more stunned and confused by it.
▼ Touchdown50
I can see why. Theres so much disinformation and shilling on purpose in order to throw the investigation off and have researchers start to question and attack each other. Brilliant strategy if i say so.
▼ zlomsocz
As for pizzagate probably never is a good time to protest, and anyone who wants to express their feelings are the exact people you don't want at a rally because they'll just be shouting bill Clinton's a rapist and have a Bible verse on a posterboard , and to my point ,it does the cause harm
▼ pocketfulofstones
Reminder: an easy to help make the White House aware of our feeling about this is to participate in Operation Postcard: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1711055
We are all sending postcards on Wednesday telling them to move forward with the pedophile investigations.
▼ SYNCORSWIM
I agree. Seamen and Titus are definitely cointelpro and if they are going to this protest then stay at home. They are going to make everyone else look like crazy conspiracy theorists. Someone had the idea of sending postcards to Trump in regard to investigating human trafficing. I thought that was a great idea.
▼ huhhh
Why do you say that about Titus? You'd have to have good reasons to sway me on him, he's done a ton of good pizzagate research and video.
▼ Touchdown50
Seamen is giving me a cointelpro vibe. I hope im wrong.
▼ ZunarJ5
I agree - keep the 'protests' as online investigations for now - don't risk being just another Soros victim.
▼ zlomsocz
more people should be denouncing it
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