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Vindicator

@cakeoflightylight : you've been here long enough to understand the submission guidelines for v/pizzagate . Please repost this unsourced discussion post to v/pizzagatewhatever , or add links and make it a research post. I am surprised to see you piling on during the forum-sliding attack, I really am. :(

cakeoflightylight

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't regulate my posts according to what a shill is currently doing. There's no way to link an idea for taking action. I only have a law degree and life experience to reference.

Vindicator

But you DO know that v/pizzagate posts have to include links to support. And you DO know that the reason we have these rules is so that we can remove real shitposts that have no support. You could easily have added links to things such as an article on how to make a FOIA request, when a FOIA request has to be complied with and when it doesn't, etc. Instead, on a day when we have literally dozens of shills posting crap designed to discourage people, slide real news off the board, and disrupt the community, you make a post that gives a fat middle finger to the submission guidelines and spends the first half enumerating all the ways justice will never be served. I am seriously questioning what side of this you are actually on.

cakeoflightylight

"Instead, on a day when we have literally dozens of shills posting crap designed to discourage people, slide real news off the board, and disrupt the community, you make a post that gives a fat middle finger to the submission guidelines and spends the first half enumerating all the ways justice will never be served. I am seriously questioning what side of this you are actually on."

Again, you deleted my post within 5 minutes. I'm not sorry that I assumed that a well outlined plan for action wasn't a "shit post." But insulting me and "questioning" what side I am on is ironic considering all of the things you guys delete all the time that are relevant and well-supported. Posting links to an internet article allows a post to stay up. That's fine. I will be reposting my original post in pizzagate with about 10 links and if you have a problem with my post after that, I guess I will have to seek further feedback on how to comply with your rule. Dr. www.whateverlink.com is ok but my JD and 12 years of activism experience are not ok. Got it.

Vindicator

Cakeoflightylight, you do understand that ignoring the submission guidelines the community developed to enable mods to remove posts from trolls and shills to keep the board functioning is disrespectful to the users of v/pizzagate , right?

You've been here a long time, yet you disregard the guidelines and then get bent out of shape when your post is removed in a fair and consistent manner, along with dozens of others. Yes, we delete relevant posts; no, we do not delete relevant, well-supported posts that satisfy the submission guidelines. I challenge you to show me one. If you see it happening, you can complain to v/ProtectVoat and bring down the wrath of Voat on whomever did it.

cakeoflightylight

http://citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=458 If I provide this link will you delete my post again?

cakeoflightylight

I don't seek out censorship so, no.

cakeoflightylight

"And you DO know that the reason we have these rules is so that we can remove real shitposts that have no support"

Are you suggesting that my suggestions to people to become involved or to volunteer are "real shitposts" that "have no support?"

Vindicator

No -- the exact opposite. Which is why I have spent time trying to communicate with you about what is going on, how the rules work, and why we have them.

cakeoflightylight

I posted it in Pizzagate whatever. I might have tried to comply with your rules and add some link explaining what a FOIA request is or how to write one, except that you deleted it too quickly (like within about 5 minutes). In my experience, writing a FOIA request is somewhat complex and requires certain wording that I wouldn't recommend people attempt. If they want to do it on their own that is cool, but my idea was to see who wanted to participate so it could become organized. My idea was for these rolling FOIA requests but once those are made the information would need to be used. You don't make a FOIA request like this for no reason whatsoever. You do it as phase one in an effort at citizen oversight. Depending upon the responses to the requests, action can be taken in step two.

It seems like you deleted this so nobody would see it or think about it more so than because you were concerned that it wasn't well researched or supported.

Vindicator

I guess I'm confused -- if you wouldn't recommend people attempt to write a FOIA request, why are you making a post suggesting that is what needs to happen?

It seems like you deleted this so nobody would see it or think about it more so than because you were concerned that it wasn't well researched or supported.

You are welcome to examine my comment history and judge whether you think I'm here to censor and suppress. Your impression, however, is not based on facts. Why? Because everyone can still see your post -- all they have to do is go into the Removed Submissions area linked at the bottom of the sidebar. I did not remove it because I thought it wasn't well researched or supported -- I have no opinion on that, because you didn't provide any research to support it. I removed it because as written it is an unsourced discussion post which is in the wrong subverse.

cakeoflightylight

If everyone sees it the same after it's removed then why remove it????????????? (sarcasm)

Vindicator

Seriously? Once again: because it violates the submission guidelines. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time with this simple insight.

cakeoflightylight

I don't recommend they do one on their own because I planned on writing a sample one first.

Vindicator

So why post all this, and not that? That would be an excellent addition to v/pizzagate , linked to additional sources demonstrating successful examples. @JrSlimss , who also has a legal background, might be able to help with this.