PIZZAGATE was the DOOR, once passed, the word Pizza was never the same again. It was the SHOCK, but it was also the discovery of a CODE, the FBI CODE. Pedogate has been around for decades. Pizzagate gave muscle that Pedogate didn't have before. Folks are using it interchangably. It's already happening. You never forget Pizza once you are told about the code. Same with hot dogs probably. Sure wouldn't sweat if, though.
First, you need to know the difference between Pizzagate and Pedogate.
PIZZAGATE
: is the
Washington D.C. Child trafficking
SRA rings used to keep high level politicians in check.
PEDOGATE
: is the
Global Child Trafficking
business mainly managed by the CIA and other countries' respective Secret Intelligence Agencies, for the Military Industrial Complex and other key Fortune 1000 companies scattered around the globe.
You can't change one for the other, because they're different.
You can shift it if you wish, but we've been tackling both Pizzagate and Pedogate here already. I think we should pat ourselves on the back for what we've achieved so far :)
You can't change the name and have the same awareness. It's already infamous. Pizza = CP it's not about a pizza place it's about the code words in the emails. Pizza places are sometimes their cover for how to recognize each other but it's wider than that.
Resisting reclassification should a top priority of this community. Ignore the strawman. We all know this isn't about a pizza place, and it should go without saying.
The reality is that we need to stick to the Pizzagate subverse for unity but need to be smart in outreach using things like #PedoGate and #SaveTheKids. This helps us to dodge the real censorship of pizzagate on Google, Twitter, FB, and YouTube. You can't find this platform if you Google pizzagate due to the blatant censorship, which has gotten worse, on google. Since we are trying to reach new people, we need to be creative. I wrote a thread about this issue and a strategy to point to Voat without ever using the censored pizzagate term:
v/pizzagate
is primarily an investigation, not a PR campaign. Or is it? In any case, investigating will continue, regardless of branding. Branding/marketing discussions have happened here before, and will continue. This many people will never come to the same conclusions, and maybe never the best conclusions, and maybe that doesn't even matter. Outside of this place, pizzagate will be micro-defined as whatever YouTube entity, blogger, media outlet, etc. decides to make of it. Will changing the word "pizzagate" to "pedogate" change public perception? Maybe so. Maybe it will make it seem more legit, maybe it will delegitimize past pizzagate work. Do outsiders mostly relate one to Comet Ping Pong, the other to criminal pedophiles? I don't know. What I do know, pizzagate and pedogate are both controversial no matter what. And, after all this time, successfully, and positively changing the public perception of either would be an enormous challenge, even for a dedicated staff of PR professionals.
Added:
I'm constantly amazed, and delighted, at the large support given to pizzagate, by commenters on YouTube and Twitter. Sure, some of those people are
us
, but not all of them. Even so, those venues can be publicity gold - and positive vs. negative comments, number of viewers, retweeters, etc. can at least be considered useful data.
I think pizzagate is fine, the problems with it are negligible and if you respond to the pressure to change what you are saying, that's pc movement shit. Alternate pronouns and all, ya dig? I may not be making sense.
Just use whichever you personally prefer. They're the same thing at this point. I've noticed myself referring to ancient Jewish blood libel as pizzagate related in conversation irl.
Pizzagate vs. Pedogate is a distinction without a difference. Either way we're working to bust the pedophiles. Dividing our efforts will water down the investigation.
As a publicist, I have to disagree on the name. "Pizzagate" is a fantastic brand name, already has wide public recognition and piques instant curiosity. The MSM Straw Man, the CCP shooting, is so ridiculous and outdated now that I believe when people hear "Pizzagate," they think, wait, what? There must be more to this.
At the same time, it's a great idea to mention BOTH "Pizzagate" and "Pedogate" together to show they are essentially the same thing, all part of the same giant conspiracy.
1000% agree. Pizzagate is a perfect name. It doesn't have to refer to a pizza place it can mean the code word pizza =sex with kids. Supplementing Pedogate is also a good idea, but a shift is not needed.
We are not losing audience we are gaining them. The censorship slows us down a little but rest assured its happening.
Yes, I was torn between that too and leaned closer to pedogate but both are valid points in that we do need to keep both. I have to change my mind and agree that pizzagate probably has to stain the main name.
Pizzagate also calls attention to where some of this is taking place - hidden in plain site, possibly in your friendly neighborhood pizza place or ice cream parlor, and is now detectable because we can see that their "quirky" artwork is actually satanic and their cute little logos advertise their pedophilia to the like-minded. It gives us a starting point to discover their networks, as we did through the Comet Ping Pong Instagram and the many connections that led to other connections. We've been able to recognize people like Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, and others as implicated due to their pizza-related costumes, images, and videos.
It's not Pedogate either, as it goes much further than straight pedophilia, touching on Satanists running the world, practicing pedophilia, torture, murder, and cannibalism, and other vile acts, controlling corrupt politicians, judges, media, police chiefs, CEOs, Hollywood stars, musicians, and other powerful, well-known, well-liked people placed in key positions throughout the world, and carrying out an agenda that is dangerous to us all.
Pedogate doesn't really touch on the whole scandal either. Pizzagate is at least weird enough that it can signify code words. Pedo isn't a code for anything. The entire issue is larger than just pedophilia, it involves actual rape and torture and murder and trafficking and harvesting. It's bigger than just dudes with creepy mustaches looking at child porn.
At this moment I have a preference for #pedogate, but if they arrested Alefantis or Podesta tomorrow then it would all change and completely vindicate the #pizzagate tag
What I find frustrating is people focus on Alefantis/Podesta, which is definitely worthwhile, but at this point is like sucking blood from a stone when it comes to finding new evidence. Most people on here still don't seem to understand the full scope, breadth and wealth of evidence of an international pedophile ring with Jeffrey Epstein at its center. If you take down Epstein, everyone else in this same cabal will go down with him.
Agreed. More "PedoGate" is more accurate and gives off better connotation. Those "flat earthers" too, they need to stop with that title and focus more on the fact NASA is fraud; which is demonstrably true....I mean really, who in their right mind is going to believe this video released by NASA is really a video taken by a space ship from about a million miles up in outer space on its way to that light in the sky called the planet Mars? God help us if people continue to be so gullible and so easily duped out of 20 billion a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdhQsHbWTs
▼ doubletake
WEINERGATE -- A bridge too far?
PIZZAGATE was the DOOR, once passed, the word Pizza was never the same again. It was the SHOCK, but it was also the discovery of a CODE, the FBI CODE. Pedogate has been around for decades. Pizzagate gave muscle that Pedogate didn't have before. Folks are using it interchangably. It's already happening. You never forget Pizza once you are told about the code. Same with hot dogs probably. Sure wouldn't sweat if, though.
▼ YingYangMom
First, you need to know the difference between Pizzagate and Pedogate.
PIZZAGATE : is the Washington D.C. Child trafficking SRA rings used to keep high level politicians in check.
PEDOGATE : is the Global Child Trafficking business mainly managed by the CIA and other countries' respective Secret Intelligence Agencies, for the Military Industrial Complex and other key Fortune 1000 companies scattered around the globe.
You can't change one for the other, because they're different.
▼ jordankelly
No, but we can shift our focus.
▼ YingYangMom
You can shift it if you wish, but we've been tackling both Pizzagate and Pedogate here already. I think we should pat ourselves on the back for what we've achieved so far :)
▼ jordankelly
If everyone could just subscribe to both....
▼ YingYangMom
I don't know about the others, but I'm already subscribed.
▼ Pipebomb
It would be nice to be able to post #PedoGate stuff here without it being removed for not following rule #1.
▼ cakeoflightylight
You can't change the name and have the same awareness. It's already infamous. Pizza = CP it's not about a pizza place it's about the code words in the emails. Pizza places are sometimes their cover for how to recognize each other but it's wider than that.
▼ NotHereForPizza
Resisting reclassification should a top priority of this community. Ignore the strawman. We all know this isn't about a pizza place, and it should go without saying.
We shouldn't rebrand.
▼ Rigg5
This isn't a branding issue. This is a CENSORSHIP issue. The only way anyone would pay attention is if we get coverage. Which we do not.
▼ reasonedandinformed
The reality is that we need to stick to the Pizzagate subverse for unity but need to be smart in outreach using things like #PedoGate and #SaveTheKids. This helps us to dodge the real censorship of pizzagate on Google, Twitter, FB, and YouTube. You can't find this platform if you Google pizzagate due to the blatant censorship, which has gotten worse, on google. Since we are trying to reach new people, we need to be creative. I wrote a thread about this issue and a strategy to point to Voat without ever using the censored pizzagate term:
▼ rooting4redpillers
v/pizzagate is primarily an investigation, not a PR campaign. Or is it? In any case, investigating will continue, regardless of branding. Branding/marketing discussions have happened here before, and will continue. This many people will never come to the same conclusions, and maybe never the best conclusions, and maybe that doesn't even matter. Outside of this place, pizzagate will be micro-defined as whatever YouTube entity, blogger, media outlet, etc. decides to make of it. Will changing the word "pizzagate" to "pedogate" change public perception? Maybe so. Maybe it will make it seem more legit, maybe it will delegitimize past pizzagate work. Do outsiders mostly relate one to Comet Ping Pong, the other to criminal pedophiles? I don't know. What I do know, pizzagate and pedogate are both controversial no matter what. And, after all this time, successfully, and positively changing the public perception of either would be an enormous challenge, even for a dedicated staff of PR professionals.
Added: I'm constantly amazed, and delighted, at the large support given to pizzagate, by commenters on YouTube and Twitter. Sure, some of those people are us , but not all of them. Even so, those venues can be publicity gold - and positive vs. negative comments, number of viewers, retweeters, etc. can at least be considered useful data.
▼ oneposteach
That would be less accurate imo, pizzagate is human trafficking.
▼ RaspberryPi
I think pizzagate is fine, the problems with it are negligible and if you respond to the pressure to change what you are saying, that's pc movement shit. Alternate pronouns and all, ya dig? I may not be making sense.
▼ Trs0817
Just use whichever you personally prefer. They're the same thing at this point. I've noticed myself referring to ancient Jewish blood libel as pizzagate related in conversation irl.
▼ jordankelly
I much prefer #PedoGate.
▼ gonegoogling1
You're obviously trying to distract and divide. You are wrong.
▼ jordankelly
Ok bud
▼ matheasysolutions
Nah I think I will stick to #PizzaGate... https://snag.gy/20Re9w.jpg
https://trends.google.ca/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=pizzagate,pedogate
▼ Baxterbaxter
Pizzagate vs. Pedogate is a distinction without a difference. Either way we're working to bust the pedophiles. Dividing our efforts will water down the investigation.
Why not combine the two?
▼ HopeLiesInTheProles
As a publicist, I have to disagree on the name. "Pizzagate" is a fantastic brand name, already has wide public recognition and piques instant curiosity. The MSM Straw Man, the CCP shooting, is so ridiculous and outdated now that I believe when people hear "Pizzagate," they think, wait, what? There must be more to this.
At the same time, it's a great idea to mention BOTH "Pizzagate" and "Pedogate" together to show they are essentially the same thing, all part of the same giant conspiracy.
▼ Cincosiber
I think the hash tag #PG is best.
Parental guidance, pizza gate pedo gate
▼ unbiased_researcher
1000% agree. Pizzagate is a perfect name. It doesn't have to refer to a pizza place it can mean the code word pizza =sex with kids. Supplementing Pedogate is also a good idea, but a shift is not needed.
We are not losing audience we are gaining them. The censorship slows us down a little but rest assured its happening.
▼ cakeoflightylight
Yep, exactly. You can't un-dub something. The name is stuck to this like syrup on a pancake. Like a sperm in an egg.
▼ 50hurtz
Yes, I was torn between that too and leaned closer to pedogate but both are valid points in that we do need to keep both. I have to change my mind and agree that pizzagate probably has to stain the main name.
▼ Cara_C
Pizzagate also calls attention to where some of this is taking place - hidden in plain site, possibly in your friendly neighborhood pizza place or ice cream parlor, and is now detectable because we can see that their "quirky" artwork is actually satanic and their cute little logos advertise their pedophilia to the like-minded. It gives us a starting point to discover their networks, as we did through the Comet Ping Pong Instagram and the many connections that led to other connections. We've been able to recognize people like Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, and others as implicated due to their pizza-related costumes, images, and videos.
It's not Pedogate either, as it goes much further than straight pedophilia, touching on Satanists running the world, practicing pedophilia, torture, murder, and cannibalism, and other vile acts, controlling corrupt politicians, judges, media, police chiefs, CEOs, Hollywood stars, musicians, and other powerful, well-known, well-liked people placed in key positions throughout the world, and carrying out an agenda that is dangerous to us all.
▼ Proii_Pariah
You are so very right. You hit some very key points right here.
▼ jordankelly
I'm not saying get rid of #PizzaGate but I think it's important for everyone to realize that #PizzaGate is only part of a bigger problem - #PedoGate.
PizzaGate doesn't get the message of 'vast elite human trafficking ring' across quite like #PedoGate.
To newbies, #PizzaGate could be anything. #PedoGate is guaranteed to russle some jimmies because 'Pedo' is in the title.
▼ cakeoflightylight
Pedogate doesn't really touch on the whole scandal either. Pizzagate is at least weird enough that it can signify code words. Pedo isn't a code for anything. The entire issue is larger than just pedophilia, it involves actual rape and torture and murder and trafficking and harvesting. It's bigger than just dudes with creepy mustaches looking at child porn.
▼ MolochHunter
At this moment I have a preference for #pedogate, but if they arrested Alefantis or Podesta tomorrow then it would all change and completely vindicate the #pizzagate tag
▼ bopper
As a writer/marketer/graphic designer I've said the same thing. A lot of brand equity in "pizzagate."
▼ JrSlimss
What I find frustrating is people focus on Alefantis/Podesta, which is definitely worthwhile, but at this point is like sucking blood from a stone when it comes to finding new evidence. Most people on here still don't seem to understand the full scope, breadth and wealth of evidence of an international pedophile ring with Jeffrey Epstein at its center. If you take down Epstein, everyone else in this same cabal will go down with him.
▼ anonOpenPress
Not a bad idea - let's not shift, but let's separate these. As an underground journalist, the forum is already huge to dig into. In my opinion:
▼ Flat_Truth
Agreed. More "PedoGate" is more accurate and gives off better connotation. Those "flat earthers" too, they need to stop with that title and focus more on the fact NASA is fraud; which is demonstrably true....I mean really, who in their right mind is going to believe this video released by NASA is really a video taken by a space ship from about a million miles up in outer space on its way to that light in the sky called the planet Mars? God help us if people continue to be so gullible and so easily duped out of 20 billion a year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdhQsHbWTs
▼ bopper
I've already had my ears boxed on here about that :)