VieBleu

lol of course it did. Can't really have free speech on the forum. If they applied the rules to all the posts I'd say fine, but they NEVER take down stupid unsourced opinion posts that are anti-pizagate llike the "protest is a scam!" one yesterday.

nosy

i told the creator of the thread sean to try and repost it in the pizzagatemods subverse. they can't delete it from there. although then of course no one will go and look at it but mods. but it would be good for all the mods to have to see that. it might have an impact on their behavior or make them discuss it among themselves

VieBleu

its worth a try but I think this subverse exists to herd and control those most interested in investigating the criminal network.

seanhurray

Did a post in pizzagatemods, see you there

VieBleu

there is so muc sketchy stuff allowed on this forum. If they like it, they say, "oh, we can't take it down, we let the community vote." Anything they don't like, taken down and snotty attitude like what you experienced.

Sorry you were treated that way, it was noted even before these problems that voat was not the right place for survivors because of the caustic racist homophobe bigots here who dismiss anybody that ever expeienced trauma in the past a "snowflake."

Thanks for your comment here and you may want to try citizeninvestigators dot org or gab.ai or votable. Best of luck.

nosy

i agree there is a problem. yesterday i posted my first submission and it went to the #1 position on this site twice and was deleted by wecanhelp twice for violating rule 2, even after i edited it to address their concern by providing a source. 95% of the submission was my own personal childhood memory and the 5% that was a claim i was very careful to use the word "alleged" at all times and backed it up with a linked source. it still got deleted for violating rule 2. i wrote to wecanhelp and offered to fix the problem but wecanhelp refuses to clarify what i did wrong.

here is exactly what i wrote to wecanhelp:

"ok sure, i don't mind doing that. i would like to abide by the rules. obviously the source of my own personal experiences is me. can you please tell me which claims i have failed to source?"

no response.

Although i was happy to make further revisions, what i wrote was fine, sufficiently backed and should not have been deleted. i'm a journalist with over 20 years at a mainstream news network that were i to name it here, not a single person would fail to recognize it. i think i'm a decent judge. i see all kinds of sketchy and speculative things written on this forum which are allowed to remain. but when i write about my own personal experience it gets deleted. i find that incredibly arbitrary. unfortunately having a little power makes some people arbitrary-- and sometimes mean and abusive as well.

this experience has discouraged me and made me less interested in coming back here and now i see that i am not the only one.

V____Z

@wecanhelp can you help, please. I'd like to read this person's submission. Please respond to their request for assistance in resubmitting with the proper requirements. Thank you!

seanhurray

OK I did it!

nosy

good for you. thanks.

seanhurray

You wrote this and post got deleted... something is fishy here.

nosy

please re-post in the pizzagatemods subverse -- with ALL the comments

seanhurray

how can i do that?

nosy

you can find your whole deleted submission with all the comments in the link at the bottom right hand side of the forum called "removed submissions"

i guess you could try and copy paste it from there into the pizzagatemods subverse. you can find the link for the pizzagatemods subverse listed on the right hand side of the forum

seanhurray

Ok i wil copy the link of this post

nosy

i know! i thought the same thing

Vindicator

@seanhurray , this is an unsourced discussion post, as well as a meta discussion post about moderation of the board -- both of which disqualify it for v/pizzagate , which is for research posts. Please review the submission guidelines and repost this in v/pizzagatemods . Removing per Rule 4.

Chatman

Point me in the direction of a mod team that everyone likes. She/he is more strict then the other mods & I wouldn't blame em for being frustrated at every overdramatic overreaction post about a swirl (it's a triangular swirl and even then it's not proof alone).

I'm saying this as a person who has got posts deleted by him/her too. Also there is pizzagatemods subverse for all this as well as some kind of appeal system

VieBleu

yeah funny that, they leave EVERY overdramatic swirl and triangle post up. Every time.

Chatman

I think they are trying to take the path of least resistance, if your a newbie blue pilled and see a swirl, post it on voat and immediately get your post deleted you might lose faith and never return. I guess it's up to us to ask for clarification/downvoat as required?

VieBleu

there's always an excuse for their lame and inconsistent ridiculous modding. The reality is they are top down countering forward movement on the sub.

Chatman

I'm all for the best tool for the job & voats it until a better one comes along. The mods seem to lack a complete toolkit (eg inability to move threads) not to mention the admins struggling to manage the load as is. I might seem like I am sucking mod dick but I appreciate how hard voat/PG running is

VieBleu

enjoy yourself, fine by me. What I see is a lot of negative propagandizing as in that sticky at the top - total fail the first protest was completely honest and non-violent I see inconsistant application of the rules by the same mods within minutes of decisions - arbitrary is the word. I see disdain and no sense of the community as having a say or any transparency when it comes to major effed up moves. Aside from the space bar at just the time they are negative about the protests they want to quelch, they had already taken away the 100 comment buffer that kept the shills a little at bay from downvoating without any warnning or communication - shill flood followed. I see decision after decision and sneer after sneef from these mods that indicates they are here to control the so called free speech of people interested in uncovering these crimes.

Chatman

I don't know if it's intentional shilling or a byproduct of a strained website and mod team not originally designed for this amount of activity. I guess at the end of the day the end result is the same. Maybe they will sort the problems out and we won't have to migrate. The cause won't die even if the forum does or is shilled to uselessness

VieBleu

I agree and have wondered IF maybe it is just really a terribly disorganized team with no investment in the PG spirit which puts them at odds with some very passionate people on a controversial topic - but today when I actually had a mod acting supercilious about "how many conspiracy theorists" are on the site as a negative thing, I saw the real disdain naked in the face they have for us. And that sticky post up now by Vindicator is a real disgrace. I actually asked him to mark it 'Accuracy in Question' as already they were completely inaccurate about protest 1 which turned out fine. Vindicator leaves up a post titled "Today's Protest - What A Scam!" which is a misleading title totally unsupported by evidence and yet takes out others of relevance that have more support than that one. The missing search bar is just a joke, and the loss of the 100 comment points in order to downvoat allowed shills to work that much easier. All of that done with no community notice or discussion.

With all that, I still see good posts here and some good things happening. But I don't think it's a good idea not to discuss how this place is run and document it when we see it go bad.

Chatman

To be fair, it can't be easy being a mod team of people who don't trust anyone and is suspicious of your every move & I agree there is a lot of conspiracy theorists on PG sub that jump at every spiral and suffer from confirmation bias.

Which would be hard to moderate because when you delete that rule breaking post youll have a person accusing you of a conspiracy which would be infuriating so I don't blame them for using the derogatory term "conspiracy theorists"

VieBleu

But they never delete the dumb spiral submissions - leave them up to make the place look bad.

It is a conspiracy investigation, so by definition, anyone that works on it will be a conspiracy theorist. Pretty obvious that if you disdain them, your place is not here.

SaveTheChildren

I posted some great stuff here, got no traction. Also posted another thing they deleted multiple times. Probably because it was actually getting some good traction!

poly

its almost as if we should be monitoring the deleted stuff more than the stuff that is not deleted.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission

UnicornsAndSparkles

Twice deleted yesterday by millennial_falcon under rule 1. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1731278 I believed Pizzagate was based on a world wide conspiracy ring that was accidentally discovered through code words in Podesta emails?

IlluminatiKing

I read this posts. It's nothing. You should get some sleep. So sleepy. YAWN!!!

Edit: Just trolling :)

Chatman

Almost downvoated you damm /Pol/ troll

superesper

I LOVE REDDIT I'M A HUGE FAGGOT

tapsnapornap

We need a new sub. We've lost control of the mod team and now having post deleted and censored. No more search bar.

poly

http://voat.co/v/conspiracyhub

I'm the only mod there, and i'm very laissez faire

Jakestr

I think anyone who has been here for a while, knows pretty darn well who is who , let's not waste our time with this.The people that are here, know that their cause is bigger than any petty BS on this page. And they are not easily disheartened. That said this site has been heavily infiltrated that we are here for the long run so bring it on!

Lorent

Yeah m8. Been a daily user since spirit cooking on reddit. I think I'm pretty rational and can tell that disagreements like this are well beneath our priorities. Glad the mods are leaving this up, it does well for their defense.

VieBleu

it'll be down soon enough.

Atlantean120

While his writing style may have made him seem crazy, his information is accurate. Now we can of course debate whether we agree with it, but as someone who has studied metaphysics for over 10 years, there is evidence in sacred scripture to at least back up his claims. Look at Corinthians 1:12 in the Bible, concerning spiritual gifts. Cross-reference this with Patanjali's famous text, the Yoga Sutras, where he describes the 'siddhis', or spiritual abilities one can gain on the spiritual path. Both east and west discuss these topics, so we should at least remain open-minded before judging, imho.

poly

Take your meds.

why would you recommend meds to others when obviously meds haven't helped you?

MyNameIsLuka

Damn right.

I posted this:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1732441

And it never showed up, yet has been downvoted.

11-11

i know what you're talking about

kekistocrat

... and deleting in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

I agree but I just try to deal with it and get through the b.s. because voat is still a good platform for pizzagate and it's great for redpilling normies... still... The search bar being gone is bullshit, yes. Everywhere else I go people want to kill the pizzagate name and embrace only the pedogate name -- further division. But here on voat the majority of voaters still embrace the pizzagate name. We are a hardy bunch here. Mods are cucks everywhere.

MostPostersAreShills

I wish there was more proof of them being shills so I could accept it. Until then ill remain skeptical. I do remember a thread by @armyseer https://voat.co/v/pizzagateshills/1730060 I couldnt really decide who was the shill in that thread. Armyseer do you have any new evidence?

SaveTheChildren

Mods are for sure shilled here...

tookittothelimit

Yes please. Ive had some pretty well detailed threads deleted for no apparent reason

seanhurray

Thank you First off:

1.-English is not my native language 2.- I am not from United states so for me is really hard to be updated with all names and organisations, I have not been exposed to them before, So my research is "Theoretical from books about satanism and so on". That is my starting point.

But is a fact that that mod Millenial_Falcon uses to delete too much. He has deleted me like 4 post before. I have double work writting in einglish. It is frustrating to share something and gets deleted... Sadly I cannot elaborate too much with my english.

VieBleu

What is posted below happened today and I paste here from another comment I made about it. Spreading far and wide to show people how one of the most active mods here talks about people on this board. The disdain is palpalble - there is a lot more from this one complaining about people asking for the space bar after it was supposed to return 2 days ago, and about the job she isn't doing.

Look at how our most active mod thinks about this board - uses "conspiracy theorists" disparagingly just like the CIA taught her to, thinks it is outrageously demanding for members here to expect a simple annoucement about major forum changes like taking down the search bar and never putting it back as promised. Also just before this I showed very clear inconsistancies in leaving and removing posts, when they made a mistake and showed that sensitive and wecanhelp are the same mod or they use their names interchanably like brand names. I didn't post that part here if you want it I will. What else, oh yeah, and has the nerve to complain about the QUALITY of the posts the mods leave up on the board - as a MOD who is supposed to do something about it!! LOL It will make you laugh, it will make you cry, and shows how we are left, high and dry by this busted forum- Here is the permalink https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1729679/8473852

Here is the text: [–] wecanhelp [M] 0 points (+0|-0) 36 minutes ago

Ever think about the bunch of conspiracy theorists populating this board? There are decent investigators and minds here, outstanding even, but a growing majority will jump on everything that looks dramatic enough without actually doing their own five-minute research and reflect a bit. And why do you think Voat developers owe you anything, let alone a notification of every little development step that they take, considering how it's already been stated by one of them that this is a temporary change? Try developing a platform like this sometime, you'll soon find out that things don't always go as planned. In any case, this is not /v/pizzagate material. If you want, you can bombard Voat devs with your queries and theories all you like over on /v/voatdev , you'll be surprised that they do actually react eventually.

[–] VieBleu 0 points (+0|-0) 18 minutes ago

Ever think about the bunch of conspiracy theorists populating this board?

how transparent. It's the CIA generated phrase used to control people who question and supposedly shame them. YES pizzagate is a conspiracy theory actually, so yes they populate this board. Sorry you don't like the actual pupose of this board which is to investigate a CONSPIRACY.

...but a growing majority will jump on everything that looks dramatic enough without actually doing their own five-minute research and reflect a bit.

That's because the moderation here allows any nutball post to stay up for days, I have pointed out several that are misleading, false in their titles, unsupported by evidence. And every mod just like you comes back and says, Oh, I can't do anything about it. What a bunch of pathetic agenda driven losers you all are, and very transparent as well.

And why do you think Voat developers owe you anything, let alone a notification. ..

Because they INVITED this community here and promised transparency. Maybe you weren't around at the beginning and missed that part.

You guys are unorganized, inconsistent and constantly knocking the balls out of this movement and then try to cover it with fabrications, tissues of lies and cowardly excuses. You really think it is too much trouble to make a freaking announcement about removing the search bar on an INVESTIGATION forum? Just incredible. I can't wait to take this converstation far and wide for further proof of just what your mod culture thinks is reasonable.

Now please hurry back to doing absolutely nothing except fighting the effort here, and have a great time at your next CIA sponsored pizza party.

(End.)

I should stop saying "transparent" when I mean "obvious" and then I use it later to mean being "honest" as in they promised transparency here. I specifically remember all the good vibes cast around by kingkongwaswrong and VictorSteinerDavion here at the beginning, they were so happy to have and welcome this community here and were going to do so much to be supportive. pfffffft.

superesper

@atko @puttitout This is pure reddit cancer. Please take a look at this mod. This is not isolated, many users have had a problem with his activity for a long time.

VieBleu

appreciated

seanhurray

Thank you for your time and effort tO write that...

NON-INCLUSION IS HURTING THIS SUB

VieBleu

thanks for that.

sound_of_silence

Now please hurry back to doing absolutely nothing except fighting the effort here, and have a great time at your next CIA sponsored pizza party.

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[–] wecanhelp [M] 0 points (+0|-0) 6 hours ago

Amen.

VieBleu

not sure what that Amen was about. I guess they were really excited about the CIA pizza party.

sound_of_silence

when they made a mistake and showed that sensitive and wecanhelp are the same mod or they use their names interchanably like brand names. I didn't post that part here if you want it I will

i'd like to see that, thanks.. this topic needs acknowledged and resolved... it directly affects the viability and legitimacy of this sub.

VieBleu

Here are the two permalinks.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1724431/8469243

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1724431/8473654

It is may be a little hard to follow because I was replying to both sensitve and wecanhelp seperately at the same time. I got an answer from one and used it to show the other how that answer should have applied to a post by YinYangMom that was deleted. They were not on the same threads, so no reason for one to know I was talking to the other. I address sensitive with what wecanhelp said, and wecanhelp replies on a different thread to my comment to sensitive. I said ha you guys are the same person. There was a significant pause before wecanhelp wrote back a terse "I stand by her removal..." I was almost tempted to ask her if she knew she had alters.

There was no way for her to know I was talking to sensitive about what she had said. That part happened very quickly. I'm using the she pronoun for convenience.

Actually if the mods were not betraying the forum consistently, I probably wouldn't care if they were using brand names and switching between them. Maybe that is an efficient way to conduct moderating, although it is just another layer of duplicity they are putting between themselves and the community. Most people think they are dealing with and even have certain relationships with named individual mods. Who knows how many people you are dealing with under any one hame? It would explain why they are so incredibly inconsistent, to the point of retardation, in their decisions. This whole "I've got to go talk to so and so before I decide isn't cutting it with me either. They act like they dwell in an ivory tower and trust me, the only thing they feel for pizzagate forum members is cold contempt.

ChallengeAssumptions

Voat is Compromised - Moderator defends Pedo Symbols https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1485543

Catchthem

@ChallengeAssumptions I have already blown your cover today exposing you Shilling here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1731968 Better make another account name, this cover has been blown.. Heey look your Shill-teammate TheTuringTester is posting again at the same time https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1732377

VieBleu

shill \/\/\/\/ johnlupus

seanhurray

Maybe now that search box was taken down.

Catchthem

Lol!

seanhurray

You are just an ignorant who knows nothing about a 5000 years old culture and scriptures. You as american has no culture than pizzagate that is what you have to offer to the world, sadly. So shut the fuck up. You should be ashamed to be american. At least you are doing something now.

SoSpricyHotDog

So... are you leading a saintly life? Can you remote view?

I don't talk down on religion unless someone uses it to elevate themselves above others.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop whining about the mods.

I've had posts deleted too - the rules are clear, I learned them, my shit doesn't get deleted now.

seanhurray

Porn, in mass pedophilia, wars, bombs, exploitation, corruption, fake news, gay-ism, children abuse, murder and eating, IN A GLOBAL SCALE!!!

It is a FACT that your country has very little to offer and will be destroyed according to the Bible.

I really think that Trump and exposing pizzagate and then do something is the last chance you have to revert something. I am not an american hater, but facts are facts.

The point about remote view in that comment is real according to scriptures, and is fully explained how that works. Citing scriptures doesn't make me above others. I am showing proofs, I am not delusional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVeAVrEXHE

SoSpricyHotDog

"Showing proofs" without proof. Dude, sorry, but, citing religious text is a slippery slope when you are attempting to sling "facts". Which religious text is correct? The Bible? The Shruti? The Torah? Koran? Book of Mormon? The Tripitaka?

America will be destroyed according to the Bible? Ok... cool. So, this is THE religious text we should be citing to move things forward? And it's OUR last chance to revert something? You seem to be conveniently forgetting that a number of foreign entities have heavily influenced the corruption and downfall of the USA.

What holier than thou country do you hail from that will be completely saved during the rapture?

Nonsense.

seanhurray

So your country had to do something to not be influenced and failed (if this is as you say). If someone influence you to do something bad and you don not put up resistance, that makes you guilty not innocent. And is very well know NOW that almost all non-christian or anti-christian agendas to the world comes from USA the superpower.

I am not Christian nor Hindu, I am a scripture researcher and the most interesting scriptures for me are The Bible and Vedas. There are a lot of interesting prophecies in the Bible, and consistent spiritual knowledge in Vedas.

Yes I think (my opinion) that pizzagate could change the world for the better if is fully exposed if not you have bible prophecies about destruction.

Slim_Jackson

"It is a FACT that your country has very little to offer"

Tell me more about these facts....

SoSpricyHotDog

So, you think that Pizzagate being uncovered will prevent Armageddon?

Also... what planet have you been living on in which you think that the citizens in the USA can do anything to stop the actions of their own government? Popular opinion is avoided and ignored like it's a competitive sport.

Are you suggesting an uprising? Grounded in religious reasoning?

seanhurray

So, you think that Pizzagate being uncovered will prevent Armageddon?

IMH according to my researchings in spiritualism You as americans had to do something years ago as a whole but you know people is not red pilled. People is sleeping in sensual pleasures. Years and years of evil everywhere in the world from USA mainly through CIA (My english is not native, hope you understand the point without many details). Europe also has a lot of karma to pay. It looks that muslims will do that work (See what is happening in sweden, rapes and chaos from Muslim are skyrocketing) . Now with pizzagate you as americans have an opportunity to do something big, to expose the evil of the world from ancient times. If authorities do nothing people in a massive scale should do the work. You see all evidence, people should awake more and more...if not USA is finished (my opinion). I think that prophecies are a warning, there is a possibility of redemption, if not, Bible prophecy will unwrap fully. (Youtube USA Mystery Babylon)

Also... what planet have you been living on in which you think that the citizens in the USA can do anything to stop the actions of their own government? Popular opinion is avoided and ignored like it's a competitive sport.

Social Revolution can do that, you have tons of example around the world. if Pizzagate is fully exposed, damn this is huge, I am not american but I can see from here that that could change everything everywhere...

And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying, What seest thou? And I said, I see a seething caldron; and the face thereof is from the north. Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land. Jeremiah 1:13-14 (Pot like Country: USA)

Are you suggesting an uprising? Grounded in religious reasoning?

That will not happen, but pizzagate is of biblical proportions and is coming into light thanks to all of us. Elite are satanist, and satanism comes from Ancient Egypt, Jews learned that. Jews learned from them about money, exploitation, racism, satanism, child murdering and so on from ancient Egyptians, some sources I have read says that Osiris is the same Satan. You can see all kind of ancient egyptians references everywhere with the Illuminati. Pharaohs were cannibals, rapist, not just slavers, we have not to be so naive. You can research that easily with google. If pizzagate is exposed it will expose the evil of this world.

For that reason this sub lack inclusion, everything that is not hard evidence or circunstancial evidence is being excluded as conspiracy...