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shizzle_mcbobblehead

Aisha was 16, not 6.

matheasysolutions

that is false. It is widely accepted by the Muslim world that she was 6. It was only recently that some apologists tried twisting history because the modern world finds it appalling.

Please read through this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Aishas_Age_of_Consummation

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Classical Arab language used a base 20 number system. That's widely accepted by every historian from here to the east.

matheasysolutions

what?

matheasysolutions

what again?

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Translation issue. If you accept that particular Hadith to be accurate, you accept it was written in classical Arab dialect.

matheasysolutions

again, can you explain what you are talking about? Many hadiths say she was 6, even saying she played with dolls and was a little girl:

Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Say a classical Arab person wanted to write the word "26". Many times they would just write the word "six" followed by the numerical representation of "20", which was often mistaken for punctuation by translators.

I'll post a link in a bit showing Muhammad did this often.

Same with teens.

nnfx

but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151

Edit: Is there also some dialectic thing that makes this say the actuall oposite of what we are reading here?

She was allowed to play with dolls because she was a big girl who passed puberty for long?

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Here's an easy way to end this argument.

Aisha's sister Asma was ten years older than her. Hazrat Asma died in the year 73 Hijri at the age of 100, ten or twelve days after the martyrdom of her son Abdullah Ibn Zubair.

The Islamic calendar starts from the year of the Hijrah or the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina.

Therefore, by deducting 73, the year of Hazrat Asma’s death, from 100, her age at that time, we can easily conclude that she was 27 years old during Hijra.

This puts the age of Hazrat Aisha at 17 during the same period.

matheasysolutions

That line of thinking can be argued here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Aishas_Age_of_Consummation#Seventh_Argument:_Asma.27s_Age

Again, the simple fact is that the earliest and most prominent Muslim historians says she was 6, played with dolls, and had not reached puberty by then. You argue in another comment that Bukhari is "shit"...

Also the Sharia Law clearly views Bukhari as reliable and even adopted the Aisha being a child bride. So I think they may be more accurate than you are.

nnfx

but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151

So what does this mean then?

shizzle_mcbobblehead

It's a crock of shit. Someone added it after the fact.

nnfx

It's from a hadith so nothing new...

matheasysolutions

Okay please show that because I believe that is a first I have ever seen. Plus, the translations and Sharia laws made from them make it clear she was 6. The translators to English know full well, if what you say is true, to state that, but I believe you are mistaken. Many prominent muslims accept this fact too: https://youtu.be/Qf6mfM3_02U

Again, you are in the minority, arguing widely the accepted fact by the muslim world for 1400 years.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Hakim Niaz Ahmad(?) was the first to put it out there, he's a renowned scholar out of India.

There's actually a couple hadiths that write out her full age as tissa ashara, meaning 19.

matheasysolutions

I have not seen those hadiths. Plus the earliest and most widely respected scholars, Bukhari, Muslim, and others say she was 6 when married and 9 when she "consummated". Age of consent for girls in Iran is 9 years old ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-lowest-age-you-can-legally-get-married-around-the-world-10415517.html) ) and the reason is because they followed Mohamed's example, i.e. Aisha was a child bride.

Also Sharia Law in Saudi Arabia used to have no age limit but now I think it's 10 years old. Child brides across the muslim world is a large problem that needs to be dealt with honestly.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

I'm not arguing against the fact more than a few Muslim people take it seriously, it's just not true.

archons

He's a Muslim apologist grasping at straws.