AreWeSure

The "insider" who promised a PG investigation once Sessions came was obviously lying. There is no PG investigation because there is no evidence of any crimes involving Podesta or Alefantis.

Can anyone put together what would justify a warrant in this case? If you can't do that there is no case.

burntheswamp

OP is a total idiot.

  1. Trump kicked Epstein out of his resort and banned him for life when he found out everything.

  2. That Trump kept Comey on board is also consistent with (a) Trump having leverage over Comey and so choosing him for strategic reasons, or (b) Comey now wants to take down the Clintons after the previous DOJ fucked him, or (c) any of infinitely many other possibilities. We simply don't know (yet).

  3. Trump was friends with many people as a private businessman. In fact his surrogates likely donated to the Clinton Foundation at some point or other, along with many other foundations and orgs, as part of real estate deals.

The rest is either demonstrably false, inscrutable, or has no bearing on the question of whether Trump's team is going after human traffickers.

Most importantly, there IS direct evidence that they are going after the traffickers -- they just signed an anti-trafficking order and nearly 2,000 traffickers have been arrested since January. That's more than any other administration in a similar time frames.

OP you are not sincerely trying to critique Trump, you are spreading oversimplistic assumptions and falsehoods.

toobaditworks

OP is a shill. He's going around Voat trying to discredit everything. Pretending to be apart of it but then switching sides and urging people to join him. Typical bs.

DeathToMasons

I would agree except that is not what I am doing and i am not one of them. so there is that.

DeathToMasons

I am for bringing down the ring, and i am questioning if that is what this Potus is doing, or if we are fooled. If he is part of the coverup, F him to hell with the rest. I am not even saying I am sure, but I want to see more critical thinking about this. Trump has done nothing but dance. What is the holdup? I am not even mad that you doubt my intentions for this thread. Good, that ,means you have contempt for anybody trying to lead the investigation or focus astray. Good man. You just happen to be wrong about why I made this thread.

equineluvr

":Anyone who disagrees with me MUST be CTR."

You couldn't be any more simplistic. What's your IQ, about 40?

toobaditworks

He is a pysop. He's here to discredit.

DarkMath

If Trump doesn't bring the cluster fuck down the people will. It's as simple as that.

Booze and anti-depressants can't block the feeling of one's country getting flushed down the toilet. More and more people are waking up everyday. The current trickle will turn into a flood of rage the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. Change will come whether they like it or not.

The Revolution will not be televised. But it will be on the internet which is a far more "electrically conductive" if you catch my drift fellow honky.


Trigger Warning: Sarcasm Ahead!

For any millennials in the audience "The Revolution will not be Televised." is a reference to a famous Civil Rights era song by Gil Scot-Heron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0


End of Sarcasm.

Gil Scot-Heron? Really?

Yes really. Gil Scot-Heron needs to know who it was. He needs to know it was George H.W. MOTHER FUCKING Bush and the CIA who imported that smack and crack into those neighborhoods ghettos.

Gil and George need to finally meet mother fuckers!

Gil Heron-Scot and Huma and Hillary's Heroin rat line need to meet up at Starbucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkmhYeGxCQE

Speaking of crack or smack or whatever the fuck this women was shipping in those mangos, anybody tried the cold chai yet?

https://youtu.be/WkAHD4lYBR0?t=1

;-)

MysticMa

Wow, not a minil...but that Gil...flashback...no wake & bake, just wake the fuck up. TY!

DarkMath

I fucking love that song. And it's so appropriate given us Deplorable Honkeys are the new [insert N word here].

;-)

SterlingJB

I always thought the detail about him going to Epstein's dinner parties but eating with the butler in the kitchen rather than with the rest of the guests as kind of funny. Seems like any at the top are swimming in the same pool as people like Epstein, so thinking he defs would know and hope he ran to do something about it. Can't see why a already wealthy person would want the job in his golden years otherwise unless of course he's some sort illumanati grand deception anti-christ. But, yeah, hoping for the first option rather than the latter. Plus, I didn't even vote for him, but it's pretty hard not to enjoy watching him make the establishment step into its own steaming pile of hypocrisy in their attempts to demonize and oust him. So not sure what the awareness of him being "in on it" does for this effort if he is indeed in on it. Way better off than if it were H-Rod since then there really wouldn't be a shot in hell this ever got uncovered.

MrrHandsome

Trump's the good guy, I just know it. Even before I got heavily red pilled by pizzagate, my gut instinct was telling me to support this guy amongst the media witch hunt. The Clintons, Deepstate, Rothchild's etc represent the true evil in this world, there HAS to be some good to level out the playing field, right? If not then we are all well and truly fucked

equineluvr

Yes, we are truly fucked. Nobody here wants to hear it, but it is the TRUTH.

Americans watch too much damned TV. They're expecting a superhero character to swoop down from the sky and "save us" all. NOT gonna happen.

redditsuckz

I wonder who or what changed Alex Jones mind on Trump...

Donald Trump Exposed by Alex Jones;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLuoF4lrWbI

toobaditworks

Because of how the media and establishment reacted to Trump. Also, Jones was introduced to a lot of people who knew Trump and he talked to Trump and found out he is on the same side against the globalists. I was also skeptical of Trump in the beginning thinking he was going to just let Hillary win.

Mrs_Ogynist01

"Trump was at Epsteins Island. This is known by all in here so I will not source that fact."

Sorry, @DeathToMasons we are going to need a source on that.

DeathToMasons

Show everybody the suspicious material on me or shut up. Anybody can click my screen name and see I have no tolerance for anybody attempting to sidlenin e the investigation. You have no argument and your account is 17 fucking days old. Monitoring me for some time? Really you clown? You are no good at this.

toobaditworks

Your account is 3 months old. LOL Perfect timing... shill fuck.

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

Why do you all blindly accept the fact that Clinton was on Epistein's island, but when it comes to Trump you suddenly need evidence?

ObamaFAG1

LOL, no OP.. you have always been cool with me. and btw Trump never went to Epstein's Island. The one and only encounter was in Palm Beach at some party and Trump walked in and saw some naked younger girls and left immediately and then bared Epstein from Mar-A Lago.

equineluvr

That's not the version I heard.

I heard that Epstein hit on a young towel girl at Mar-A-Lago (i.e., Epstein was THERE at MAL). Trump banned him after that.

So, which one is it?

ObamaFAG1

ask your mother cuck

ObamaFAG1

ANTI- TRUMP FAG

ArtificalDuality

You can start right now ;) I don't have special forum powers. Just a keen eye on what's posted by whom.

Chatman

I think Trump is just a bad judge of character. It's also possible he kept Comey to drag him in front of the public to clear his name and to justify firing him so he can install someone who will give him the Clinton files imo.

Phenomenonanon

When was he on epstieins island any proof? Trump banned Epstiein from Mar a Lago for trying to recruit one of his employees.

thegenericoperator

Yes, how much media matter zzzz David Brock evil can you swallow?

HillBoulder

Gowdy is talking about pursuing child sex traffickers specifically recently so something seems to be happening. Definitely not nearly as fast as we would like but it's not like something as big as this is getting can be taken down at once anyway so patience is definitely a virtue. With how ugly the press has covered and his tweet about perverts I don't think he's compromised in the pg way. Financially he may be but that doesn't have the same moral ceiling as raping and murdering children imo

strix-varia

An interesting post and it may be possible...anything is possible at this point. However, would you rather see clinton as president? What would be the scenario for that....nothing whatsoever about pgate?

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

One of the facts that show the pizzagate biased reasoning is the complete ignoration of Trump.

No one photoshopped pictures like this together:

http://i.imgur.com/6y72KIN.jpg

Added in facts like his connection with Epstein, his comments about his daughter, his multiple rape allegations etc. and accused him of anything. Instead he was seen like a pizzagate savior. Even tough he fired Flynn's son for tweeting about pizzagate.

This shows your double standard, and the fact that your evidence sucks, because if any of those things could be said about Alefantis or Podesta, they would have been used as evidence. Matter of fact, if tomorrow it was revealed that Podesta walked into some dressing room while girls some as young as 15 were changing to look at them and even bragged about it(like Trump did with the beauty pageant) pizzagaters would completely loose their shit.

Pizzagate is entirely built on lies, speculation and confirmation bias while there being zero evidence of a crime. Each one of it's arguments are based on flawed reasoning. It's a textbook insane conspiracy theory.

DeathToMasons

Where did my can of TrollBeGone go?

Mrs_Ogynist01

So which is it @PG_IzDumbAsFuck2 - Trump is part of Pizzagate or Pizzagate doesn't exist? Decisions, decisions.

DeathToMasons

Hahah! Maybe I need to delete this thread if the Trolls look at it as an opportunity. There he is as bright as the day is new.

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

Pizzagate is a fictitious conspiracy theory, like I've explained in the comment.

Mrs_Ogynist01

So, you don't believe there are elite politicians that are pedophiles?

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

No I've never said that. I said that the the pizzagate conspiracy theory is fictitious, not that there aren't elite politicians that are pedophiles. Why do you people use such dishonest tactics?

Mrs_Ogynist01

You do not understand pizzagate because it is about elite pedophiles hence this thread about Epstein.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

"Would I be better playing dominos on cheese or pasta?"

What is this? Just bad grammar?

ArtificalDuality

See here how REAL this stuff is . Then reconsider.

As far as Trump goes, he's been (and still is) demonized big-time by just those folk that couldn't have a straight face in bright day light: Babylonian filth .

bopper

Hey check this pedo out ding dong. Use your brain. https://3159shroyer.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/img_2843.jpg?w=640

HillBoulder

Those pictures are normal. Why do you only mention Alefantis and Pedosta what about all the other pedophile fucks? Do you need any more than the Franklin scandal or Dutroux affair to have a clue that this stuff happens and gets swept away? You are a textbook shill nobody puts as much effort as you are into disproving something they believe not to be true any reasonable person would move along. YouIzDumbAsFuck2

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

"Those pictures are normal."

So are the Comet Ping Pong Instagram pictures. Just that a bunch of them were cherry picked together and interpreted trough biased glasses.

HillBoulder

YOU_IzDumbAsFuck2

ObamaFAG1

leave little James alone. He knows his days are numbered. Anthony Weiner is smart and is in a safe house so he don't get suicided by Killary and the CIA FUCKFACES... James is dumb and will go missing very soon... Don't go missing like James... be smart.

ObamaFAG1

Dear FUCKIN HACK! Donald Trump has NEVER been to Epstein's island. HOW about you get your FUCKIN FACTS straight before vomiting BULLSHIT opinions... FUCKIN MORON

DeathToMasons

Hey asshole, that is info that was passed around. If it is false, update me. Some source material. http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=trump+epstein+island&d=4966465579975141&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=0oXm_9hvwijSfJYxFRt2zrz_GA5WX9Rb

ObamaFAG1

Hey SHit for brains, YOU quote "The DAily wire" as a media source.... proves my point thank you and FUCK OFF shill POS

Bitchybadger

From everything I have read about Trump/Epstien. Trump has never been to sicko island. Epstein was at Maralargo. He got the boot from Trump.

jangles

He also kicked Epstein out of his Golf Villa personally

ArtificalDuality

You're accurate on OP. Devil's advocate; spreading disinformation. I've monitored posting behavior of OP (content wise) for some time (I build mental profiles of more active posters based on their posted content and attitude towards it, in regards to alignment) and established your sentiment before already. What's being said in this thread confirms my assessment. It's now signal and no longer noise.

equineluvr

Aren't you the nitwit who accused Bopper of being a "shill?"

LMAO!!

MysticMa

If I had money I'd bet that Trump keeps his FRIENDS close and his ENEMIES closer... He's no fool, as well as I don't think he shows his cards to anyone. To underestimate his tenacity of reading people, has been the downfall of many. When he said that he didn't believe in giving Isis advance warning I thought that there was a whole lot more there, than meets the eye. Just an observation for what it's worth! You may be SPOT ON as well...

DeathToMasons

I was going to mention that as a possibility. He does need to be able to function and fight fire with fire, so he needs some dirty insiders. Not easy to decide.

usuck911

Trump being at Epsteins Island on one occassion does not make him guilty.

He will be guilty however if after seeing the horrific things going on at Epsteins Island during first visit and then choosed to re-visit and re-visit manay times over like Bill Clinton who visited 20 times.

There is no evidence that Trump visited Epsteins Island more than the said first visit.

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

You know that there's no evidence that Clinton traveled to Epstein's island? The flight logs used as evidence that show Clinton flew more than 26 times in Epstein's plane, show him flying to a number of different countries but not his island.

The inability of pizzagaters to spot out lies or half truths is amazing.

Mrs_Ogynist01

That's 26 times on Lolita Express in TWO years -an average of once a month. I don't see my BFF once a month and she lives an hour away. Epstein & Bill must be super tight. Also, one of those trips was to Asia without a single secret service agent. Totally legit for a former President of the United States to travel to ASIA without secret service. ;) I hope you get paid...you fucking asshole.

ObamaFAG1

BUT we can SPOT James " I fuck and traffick kids" Alefantis piece of feces

PG_IzDumbAsFuck3

Also, It's funny how there is no evidence that Alefantis is fucking and trafficking children, and you're accusing an innocent man.

PG_IzDumbAsFuck2

Yooooou ObamaFAG1 I've been waiting to find you so I can mock you for that "Tick Tock" thing you always do being so convinced that ridiculous shit that obviously won't happen will actually happen soon.

bopper

Even if that were true, the plane is outfitted pretty well for having fun don't you think you big dummy?

You've not seen this? It's a fun, fun, fun till daddy takes the t-bird away type plane.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Epsteins butler named Trump as a person with "intimate knowledge of the pedophilic activities" surrounding Epstein.

The guys got what amounts to a mail order bride for Christ's sake. Not to mention the laundry list of sexual harassment complaints against him made BEFORE he took running for president seriously.

archons

No one took them seriously after either shithead.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Yeah, because America generally dismisses the victims of sexual assault.

If you've learned anything through this investigation, it should be that.

archons

I've learned to spot pieces of shit like you. Fuck off back to comet pizza or wherever you hang asshole.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Lmao... Pretty sure they don't have room for cancer patients big guy.

You know they got meds for that kind of paranoia right?

archons

Feel free to overdose on them cocksucker.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

You know people like you delegitimize this issue more than any government agency could hope to...

SterlingJB

I always thought the detail about him going to Epstein's dinner parties but eating with the butler in the kitchen rather than the rest of the guests was kind of funny. Seems like any at the top were swimming in the same pool with people like Epstein, so thinking he defs would know and hope he ran to do something about it. Can't see a already wealthy person would want the job in his golden years unless of course he's some sort illumanati grand deception anti-christ. But, yeah, not hoping for the latter. Plus, I didn't even vote for him, but it's pretty hard not to enjoy watching him make the establishment step into its own steaming pile of hypocrisy in their attempts to demonize and oust him. So not sure what the awareness of him being "in on it" does for this effort if he is indeed in on it. Way better off than if were H-rod since then there really wouldn't be a shot in hell this ever gets uncovered.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Google Paolo Zampolli and the Paramount Group.

Paramount was a partnership between Zampolli (ran ID modeling agency, implicated in some pretty weird shit) and Trump to hire old models to market expensive Trump apartments.

SterlingJB

I've looked through a lot of this before. Lots of this info has been published here too. That's why I didn't get all the vitriol about wikileaks only publishing about HRC. His dirt has been out there for awhile. There's multiple books detailing it, which is why it said something about america's own opinion about its gov. I'm not holding my breath, but still hoping that his seemingly reactive nature might be influenced by the public, if that is, the public ever gives up its fetish with russia.

Saibra

So you are going to take some unknown butler's word? Trump is a born-again Christian and doesn't drink. I'm sure he's out banging kids. And his wife isn't "mail order." She can speak 5 languages, can you? And how many sexual harassment claims have even been close to true or proven. ZERO.

AreWeSure

He is not a born again Christian.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Hardly an "unknown butler" it was Epstein's house manager Alfredo Rodriguez.

And I could care less how many languages she can speak... You ever looked into her background?

Also, he settled an overwhelming majority of those harassment cases. You don't pay if you're innocent.

caliginosity

As much as I like Trump (and let's face it, better to gamble with an unknown pedo affiliate than a verified one), I will always remain skeptical. The only thing that keeps my hopes up is his speech at the Red Dinner. The reactions from the guests and the booing from many (particularly the news though) made it really seem like he is not with them. Particularly when he made the Haiti comment: "Everyone knows of course, Hillary's belief that it takes a village, which only makes sense after all in places like Haiti...where she's taken a number of them " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGgxr4Sxoas An obvious reference to the haitian sex trafficking. I also want to point out that there has been an increased number of pedophile busts. So there is some hope with that as well. I still wish to see more high profile cases being busted, and I definitely want pizzagate exposed. Sex trafficking increasing dramatically: https://steemit.com/crime/@stevescoins/increased-rates-of-pedophile-arrests-in-2017

FBI report 2014: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/additional-reports/human-trafficking-report/human-trafficking.pdf

FBI Report 2015: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/additional-reports/human-trafficking/copy_of_humantrafficking_2015_final.pdf

nomorepepperoni

Wait. Could Trump have also meant "taken" in that speech as in "conned" or "taken" for their money? Could it also be a double meaning? Hmm...

SayWhatNOWAY

This is why! Sessions needs Comet's info! Bri 😎 @Wrenogranite Follow Obama orders parts of IC concealed frm Trump He still commands this grp. Big leak incoming. Hang on to your butts. #ObamaGate #vault7 pic.twitter.com/y9Wh2yNAQP 5:39 PM - 20 Mar 2017

rwb

Here's the problem. For your average decent minded person, there is or was simply no other alternative than to throw support behind him and hope for the best. There is some merit to some of your points, but it's still very premature to suggest Trump is playing for the other side. No one really knows what's going on, especially behind the scenes. It's fine to speculate, as long as everyone agrees that it's speculation, and there is no net benefit from relinquishing full support for Trump at this time.

DeathToMasons

I wanted him to win because i want Hillary defeated first and formost, but I have been on the fence since day one on whether this is real or not. Even to this moment, I am suspicious but parts of this look very convincing. I am becoming more and more doubtful. I admit I don't know.

PizzaDestroyer

"there is no net benefit from relinquishing full support for Trump at this time"

I think that depends on what you mean by "full support". Trump has my support insofar as he the president of our nation and he should be given the chance to do the job. And yes, unfortunately he is our best and only shot right now. However, if we are going to pretend that Trump is so great that he's beyond being investigated, then we might as well start fabricating stories to publish on undergroundnewsreport.com and then all meet up for a giant circle j... you get the point.

For the sake of pizzagate, I want Trump to succeed as much as anyone, but just remember this: anytime you idolize someone you leave yourself open to being manipulated.

We may not be Hollywood stars like Trump is, but as he would say, we need to be ready to grab this nationwide epidemic by the pussy.

11-11

I see what you are saying

You make many very good points (well researched article!)

At the same time, no one could possibly know the real plan. Look at the sayings:

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Actions speak louder than words

Trump has already held a meeting about trafficking.

There has been an uptick in the focus on trafficking by law enforcement

Trump has a lot of other things on his plate besides this (big pharma takeover of society is one that I can think of)

He can't do the investigation himself . Note how his executive orders go un-enforced. Something else is going on. FBI's James Comey, among others are getting in the way.

This recent voat post, though apparently a false flag for a release, may hold some other truths

            [https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1734752](https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1734752)

There is always this.... Do we have any other hope than Trump?

That answer is of course: No

If Hillary had won, there would be no point in researching any of this. It would be a complete waste of time

Whattheheck321

Yes all this. And it's not like he doesn't have other issues to attend to as President. I am trying to have hope he will come through somehow. How can we help him?

DeathToMasons

The only hope outside Trump is...us. That might be why they want us waiting for a hero to take care of it. Waiting and waiting. I don''t know.We can agree that nobody is going to get bored and drop this. But it is taking way too long IMO. Unless there is a secret investigation as we speak, but there is so much info to work with I have to wonder what the holdup is.

nomorepepperoni

It could be argued that the human trafficking upticks are more focused on the lower-levels and "gatekept" to continue protecting the elites and their supply chains, aware that we're watching and trying to keep us placated.

On the other hand, my more optimistic hope is that Trump will be willing to roll the dice to save America from the pedo scum and blackmailers, whatever his past may hold.

13Buddha

Hope besides Trump - Trey Gowdy?

ArtificalDuality

Trump and Gowdy are our best bet. However, they can't do it alone and need 'loose' cooperation from other good folks in the power structure. A big unseen battle is going which surfaces partially through the public hearings that practically no MSM reports on. I've been following these for a large part.

DeathToMasons

I hope I end up eating my speculation. This pisses me off more than 9/11 or Sandy hook. Trump for living legend if he gets the ball rolling.

noone222

It's possible that the entire country has been had for a very long time.

equineluvr

It has. From its founding. :)

shizzle_mcbobblehead

Trump was brought in to facilitate mass privatization of social services...

Whoever wants to argue ANYONE involved in US politics is a good person obviously hasn't been paying attention.

DeathToMasons

I have heard this angle, and it is plausable. This anti Trump thing may be the biggest psyop in history. Maybe.

shizzle_mcbobblehead

This "anti trump" thing is part of the political cycle. There's protests all over the world everytime a new leader is installed...

DeathToMasons

Yes, the globalist are losing elections and they are losing their shi#. But I have to wonder if Trump is reallly their enemy, or a divice to create the chaos they want to bring order out of. With every day that passes with no arrest, search warrants or even a mention of PG, it is getting more and more suspcious.