The real official narrative is to oversimplify it to the point where the story became JA was selling kids "out of the basement" of comet ping pong. Since there is no basement, and no surviving victims have come forward yet, it paints a silly "fake news" picture. "Who could fall for such a nonsense story?" is the challenge directed at the clueless viewers.

A magician uses distraction (sleight of hand) to move the audience's attention away from where the trick is.

The point of focus here should also include the podestas imo, we know JA is dirty and will fall when it all happens, and surely something wrong is happening at the "pegasus museum," but focusing purely on JA is tough because he's a made man and covers his tracks as fast as we can uncover them. He's a wiggly-worm and won't get away, but let's not lose site of the podesta molesta's either, they are just as creepy and it would be nice to see some "heat" directed at them as well. Those "Wanted" pics in the Madeline McCann case should be printed and posted everywhere in DC and across the nation, on every twitter account facebook page etc until they can no longer appear in public without being heckled to oblivion. Just my two cents, it was never debunked an abbreviated version was cooked up and served to keep people from looking at the leaked e-mails and instagram pics.

It wasn't debunked, do you want somebody on this thread to make a case that it is? Do you not know what the MSM is? If you do, why ask why they keep saying this? Confused about how propaganda works?

The fucked up thing is so many biased "investigators" so badly DO want pizzagate to be true

Don't forget about "settled." As in "settled science." Yeah, they can't get a Nor'Easter right. We are supposed to believe them about global warming?

We should ask this question to the troll with his 749 user names (PGIzRidiculous, PzIsIncrediblyStupid, PgISstupid, etc.) he must be a real expert in this area... :)

Debunked? The media refuses to even show any of the evidence/proof for the simple reason that it is all too damning and any sane person looking at it would conclude what everyone here concluded. Thankfully the media spent their last few pennies of credibility in the last Presidential election, so the natural mental reaction to anything they say is that probably the opposite is true. The more they shine light on this topic, the more people will look to see for themselves, and that is exactly what we want and what they surely don't want.

such a good point. thanks for posting.

hey - wait - I know.... 60 Minutes said it was debunked because when the gunman went in, he didn't find little children tied up inside.

that is the reason it is debunked. now do you see how smart they are? we must be wrong.

There has been censorship. Archives have been taken down. Wikileaks showed collusion between dems and MSM. Fake news campaign. Even the pope commented. Ben Swann weirdness. Milo dropped his talk on it. Assange weirdness. Alex Jones weirdness.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

Absolutely not debunked! There was no official investigation. Just a bunch of pedo/pedo-enablers trying to put out the fire.

Pizzagate has been debunked because it has been debunked. The media debunked it by citing the media. Q.E.D.

PG arose from a long series and pattern of weird coincidences and pieces of circumstantial evidence, enough for people to go 'Hang on, this is all very strange and creepy'

Actually it first started with political activists who were SURE the emails hid sinisters acts and anonymous political LARPERs who primed these activists who already were deeply, deeply conspiratorial. It was only after these political actors primed the pot, did any creepy coincidences start. And what do you know, the deeper you looked, sinister acts did pop out. All you had to do was change the meaning of ambiguous sentences into sinister code and voila, malefeasance!

The series and pattern you describe is a very familiar series of cognitive processes that involve, tunnel vision, confirmation bias and not giving the benefit of the doubt to an extreme, to the point where people's humanity is denied and people are demonized.

Folks who knew of Marina Abramovic before last summer, knew she was provocative performance artist. She may or may not be to your taste, but she was a genuine artist and respected by serious and sincere people. I don't assume her fans are Satanists. Any more than I assume the fans of AC/DC are Satanists. Any more than I assume Anthony Hopkins or Thomas are serial killers.

Politics and Tribalism are two of the most powerful emotional/anti-rational forces we have. If you wanted to pick two things that would make people deny the humanity of people on the side of these issues, it would be hard to pick two more powerful agents. Religion (which informs both political and tribalism, might be the only thing more powerful.)

This is the thread investigating the many deniers of pizzagate, and a review of the long list of sources will show that no debunking has ever occurred: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1580566

You're right, it hasn't. Not one single question asking to explain the bizarre social media posts, not one follow up proving that Caris James exists.

You would think the parents of Caris would want to help clear JA's name quickly by coming forward and proving that Caris is fine and healthy.

That alone signals there is fire behind the smoke.

Lee Stranahan debunked it. Don't ask me how but he did.

It has not been even close to debunked. Rather, claims like "Hillary is chopping up babies in a basement of a pizza restaurant" were falsely attributed to us and then those claims were attacked.

None of the media outlets saying it has been "debunked" will show you the archives of all of the pictures that James Alefantis uploaded onto his instragram which show allusions to child abuse. They will not show you his avatar which is a direct reference to pedophilia, or the many photos of his friends sexualizing "pizza".

They will not tell you that Laura Silsby served a jail sentence for kidnapping 33 black children and now works with AlertSense which distributes Amber Alerts.

They will not tell you that Silsby's legal defender had a warrant out for his arrest for human trafficking.

They will not show you the abused children in Tony Podesta's collected art, nor tell you that Podesta and Alefantis are friends, nor tell you that Podesta is close friends with convicted pedophile Denis Hastert, etc. etc.

Instead they pin the most ludicrous claims on us and attack those claims -- they are attacking strawmen and shouting "debunked!" from the rooftops to create the illusion that there's nothing to see here.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1750436

It's more that Pizzagate has never come close to proving a single thing.

At its core pizzagate makes a claim that John Podesta used coded language in his emails to hide pedophilia which then became human trafficking which then became Satanic ritual abuse which then became Cannibalism and so on and so on. (Have you heard about the pig farms?) Then people started looping in every single other case they could find and claiming it's a single ring and is part of an elite conspiracy going back generations.

None of this makes any sense to someone who doesn't already hate Hillary Clinton AND have deeply held beliefs in preexisting elite conspiracies.

You don't have to do anything to debunk it. The term I used is Prebunked.

People started making outrageous claims or outright lies about the emails and these quickly became accepted as fact. For example, you make the claim EMW was a hired actor. Surely you know, there's no proof of that correct? It's a story pizzagaters have told themselves and the deeply believe it.......see preexisting conspiracy theories above.....but the evidence they have is tissue paper thin. Folks think they can make a bunch of connections of tissue paper thin pieces of evidence and built a 100 grade battleship chain out of tissue. But upon the slightest examination the whole thing falls apart.

Pizzagaters have shown absolutely zero instances of coded messages in Joh Podesta emails. Some meanings are unknown. Some of the code highlighted by pizzagaters is demonstrably false.

If you want to point to any code, I'll give my thoughts.

We are all prone to confirmation bias and conspiratorial thinking and making more of random coincidence than we should. It's how the human brain works. You need to be on guard and practice checking your thinking if you don't want to fall for a false story you are telling yourself, not the real story. Our brains love storytelling and when we see gaps or ambiguity, we can creative narrative links that seems to make sense and seem to hold everything together, but we are really just kidding ourselves.

Basically if are not a person prone to the confirmation biases inherent in the pizzagate origin story, the whole thing sounds ridiculous.

EDIT: I don't get to post many comments so, I just keep editing this post.

Note: Please understand I'm not going to respond to a Gish Gallop of evidence. I'm not interested how long a chain you made. I would like to go back to the very beginning to take individual links from the emails and see if the pizzagate assertions about them amount to anything. Another issue with this is folks determined to make Podesta look bad will be ultra-literal in reading of evidence. To someone who doesn't have that confirmation bias, basic reading comprehension would tell you this is not being used literally.

EDIT: @Antiracist2

But it's not like we picked any random symbol in the emails and connected it to any matching random symbol in reality. The triangle spiral or doubleheart is not used anywhere at all within the emails. This is a great example of conflating outside material with the primary evidence.

It's that the symbol that was picked was used in coded language, pizza, More importanly, these symbols existed before pedophile adopted them and the symbols are fairly common graphic eleements and the "code words" are exceedingly common. You then have the giant, giant hurdle of showing that people using the word pizza or a spiral motif even know about the existence of this code, let alone are using that code. Am I supposed to stop using the word pizza because idiots on 4chan adopted it?

Let me put it this way? Have you ever owned a red bandana? Every had it your back pocket? Does that you mean you advertising your sexual preferences? I certainly have owned red bandanas. I may have even worn them in back pocket. And yet I did completely unaware of its meaning to a small subculture.

and a pizza place was visited by Hilary and has an owner who seems to have undue power When did Hillary visit Comet Ping Pong? This is an unproven assertion. Comet Ping Pong held a political fundraiser for her. But anybody can do that. It doesn't mean the politician is going to show up. The Podesta emails show Podesta wasn't even going to attend. I contend the bit about Alefantis's "power" is an overly literal reading of a fluff magazine piece. I believe a pair of party planners was also on that list.

Plus there was that spirit cooking stuff Yes, edgy performance art. Zero connection to any crime.

EDIT @toodrunktofuck Congrats on acknowledging this is a theory based on circumstantial evidence. Too few people acknowledge that. Despite that people refer to Clinton, Podesta, Alefantis, et al definitely as child molesters, criminals, traffickers etc. This is what I think the press refers to when they said debunked.

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you make the claim EMW was a hired actor ... they make a claim he was not ... Now, which party has more support for their claim?

There's zero evidence EMW did not act out of his own volition. Zero evidence anyone hired him. The story that he was a paid actor started almost immediately based on preexisting conspiratorial beliefs. Government run false-flags are so commonly discussed as to be a cliche. It's template you can put on any event, a template you can use without a single bit of evidence EMW chose to do what he did.

this is not about politics, it's about children)

For many people this is also about their Anti-Mason or Anti Illuminati or anti-NWO anti-government or anti-MSM media beliefs. The idea of dropping the nonsense with the weak evidence and focusing energy on genuine human trafficking that is out there is anathema to them. It would threaten their beliefs. If you gave them the chance to actually help children, but they had to recognize the truth, that they were mislead about Podesta or Alefantis, they would never take it. Helping children simply wouldn't be enough for them.

And since you asked... You don't "do pizza", and definitely you don't "do pizza or sell it" (you make it or bake it, depending where' you are from) You don't "love to get a pizza for an hour" (why not for a day, you probably ask on this)

I don't. You don't. But so what? This proves absolutely nothing. Perhaps Tony Podesta does talk that way. You have no baseline for comparison. You have no clue how he speaks. FBI investigators are trained that when you interview someone and their knees are shaking and they can't look you in the eye that DOES NOT prove deceptive behavior. Because you have to first find out how the person regularly behaves. They are trained to ask a series of neutral questions before any accusatory questions and notice changes in behavior. Because you as an outsider find something strange doesn't equal this is coded talk. The love to get a pizza for an hour thing has never bothered me at all because John Podesta has a crammed schedule. I've always read this as equivalent, "can you get away for an hour to grab lunch?" And pizza is a meal you can do in an hour.

"As John said, it doesn't get any better than this" (picture of a girl eating the same slice with an adult)

Do you know the actual story about that? It's a completely appropriate what Podesta says and a very human response. Frankly, this to me is a test if you are approaching this story rationally. The two women in the photo are Euna Lee and Laura Ling, reporters working a story about North Korean defectors. They were working on the Chinese side of the border. They got a tip from a source that he could give them a scoop. In reality, he was double-crossing them to North Korea. He convinced them to go with him across the border to North Korea. Once they did they were arrested. The girl in the photo is Euna Lee's daughter. They had just been released from 140 days of captivity in a North Korean prison. I believe that photo was the first time the two reporters got together back in the US. They were home, free and eating pizza with their family. I ask you, person to person, does it get any better than that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_imprisonment_of_American_journalists_by_North_Korea http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/freed-journalists-laura-ling-euna-lee-call-captivity-n-korea-nightmare-article-1.395031

Alex Jones did NOT apologize for pizzagate. Instead, he apologized for certain things that he said about Alefantis. Listen to the video. No one listens. They all read the headline and jump on the crazy bandwagon. The lying scum MSM paints the narrative that he "aplogized for pizzagate". We should be pointing this out to all the outlets that push the false narrative.Tweet back to the liarsj. He apologized for what he said about alefontis...NOT for pizzagate.

Is this of any value? https://newrepublic.com/article/120269/contractors-violate-us-zero-tolerance-policy-human-trafficking

It hasn't.