Lonesome_Pizza

We'll see what happens when I actually create some new pizzagate subverses. I can't depend on the mods to do the work, so I'll do the heavy-lifting myself, whether or not people think it's a good idea or not, we won't know until we try. I'm a person who likes to experiment and take action and I'm willing to learn from experience. This pizzagate platform can be improved in many different ways, if people are willing to think outside the box. Peace

Aloha808

Find a shill and try to trigger them, make them to pissed off to try and troll. They are sissy snowflakes who are pedophiles

Lonesome_Pizza

I'm not trying to fool anybody, but I'm glad see you're thinking deep and rightfully so. I wanted to create more specific pizzagate subverses, such pizzagatenews, pizzagateoccult, and other various types of categories for pizzagate, so if a shill decides to make a post, it will have to be specifically relevant to that pizzagate subverse, otherwise it will be deleted immediately. Another benefit to having categorized pizzagate subverses, is that all our evidence will be organized and it will be easier for investigators to quickly find information without having to dig through the huge catalog of information in the main pizzagate subverse. Also, having categorized pizzagate subverses will make it harder for shills to slide a thread, because their post will have to be related to the specific pizzagate and they wont be able to submit all types of pizzagate disinfo on the main pizzagate subverse.

NeedPolyGF

How can you tell who's a s h i l l? I've been on Voat for a few months now and I've only seen one or two posts that seemed a little suspicious. But even those didn't seem certain. Can't we just get mods to label posts OFF TOPIC if they're off topic, without deleting them? Then readers can skip over them. See?

Lonesome_Pizza

That is a great idea, hopefully the mods can implement that, but I'm sure it will be tedious work. But don't worry, I'm going to create a backup pizzagate subverse that will be free of shills or reduced and I may create several other pizzagate subverses that are categorized, so the evidence we submit will be organized.

NeedPolyGF

Besides mods labeling people off-topic, I thought also that people could downvoat people they consider off-topic, then the mods could check to see who's downvoated and then decide if they're off-topic. Or maybe they can also check to see who downvoated them and see if it might be a shill.

Aaronkin

Lonesome_Pizza, You got a couple things wrong so let me help you set them right, First it is you not we who needs to find a strategy and it is you not we who needs to start using other Pizzagate forums. Also I would recommend you read Snu Tzu writings rather then just drop his name and if that seems harsh then go read his works again and again and again! Because I promise you you missed something really important. This is me giving a 5 day old account the benefit of the doubt.

Lonesome_Pizza

If you have any useful ideas that can benefit the community, please post a comment or pm me. I wont be selfish and take all the credit, I want this to be a team effort, but I will complete it by myself if I need too.

Lonesome_Pizza

I don't want to reveal all my plans, but yes real men don't complain, we find solutions. I just wanted to put the idea out there so others would be in the know, because I have to wait until my account reaches 30 days, then I will be able to create my own pizzagate subverses, otherwise I would have been created the solution that is needed to fix our problem on pizzagate subverse, while offering more categories for us to submit our information, so evidence will be organized and not in one big giant mess. PS I have read Sun Tzu and the art deception is important. When you're weak act as if you're strong, when you're strong act as if you're weak. I have a plan to make us more effective and I'm inviting others to help or contribute ideas that I can use. I'm not here to complain, I'm here to produce solutions.

Clinker

Yeah, ha not really. A war on paid shills is a waste of everybody's time and effort. The enemy has infinitely deep pockets to hire these people. Plus I suspect the whole place is a little garden made for us so that they can keep an eye on what we have found. The goat mascot is a clue. But, do not be discouraged. I think the cat is out of the bag. There is still much great info being discovered here. I especially like it when people do actual research instead of just arguing about Alex Jones or David Seaman. I'm not a particularly good researcher but I think those that have the talent are extremely valuable. I think both the good folk and the bad folk keep a careful eye on this subverse.

Death2Masons

There will always be shills, it goes with the territory and will always be. It is too simple to recruit and spam shills. Deal with it and out them every time. But don't let it stress you. They are easy to spot and easy to dispatch. They have no game.

2impendingdoom

Shills are a good sign that you are on to an uncomfortable truth. They are pretty easy to recognize and downvoat into oblivion. New accounts are more likely to be shills. At least Armyseer is no longer falsely accusing everyone of being a shill and has been banned. :)

Lonesome_Pizza

yea we can ignore the shills, but that's a lazy way to combat them, we need more pizzagate subverses so we can effectively divide and conquer their army and to reduce the amount of good information being drowned out. I think there's a tactical way of approaching shills, just as Sun Tzu tactically destroyed his enemies.

PM_Me_Your_Clam_Pics

DUDE, HOW CAN YOU TELL IT IS INFESTED WHEN YOUR ACCOUNT IS 5 DAYS OLD, WTF???????

EDIT: DO NOT ANSWER THIS GUY, HE WANTS TO KNOW YOUR IDEAS TO COUNTER THEM

Lonesome_Pizza

Just because my account is only 5 days old, doesn't mean I never been involved with this community. I choose not to use my account that I used on my home ip address, but instead I use a tor browser to remain anonymous.

PM_Me_Your_Clam_Pics

Hey, I call it like I see it, doesnt mean everyone has to be a sheep and follow.
Answer this, what evidence do you have in 5 days that shills are invading, you see normal playbook is to agree with the people, gain their trust and the shit on them, so what evidence do you have of shills, you must remember as you have only been here 5 days, please share links.

Lonesome_Pizza

The forum is being bombarded by Alex Jones and David Seaman posts. All the supposed FBI insider posts talking about how they're going to leak information on Anthony Wiener. Possible shill https://voat.co/user/SimonRothschiId . Shill post about Alex Jones from Mathphilo https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1753767

P.S. My account is only 5 days old, but I've been involved much longer.

IPleadThe2nd

The shills are pathetic and easy to spot! They must be getting paid because who the hell would waste as much time as some of these losers?

shachalnur

Yes it is,but they are losing.

So better ignore them or post a short ,clear debunk,in case you want to help new readers.

After a few days most readers know the basics and will recognize trolls themselves.

Don't let them upset you ,that's part of the Alinsky playbook,agit-prop stuff.

They'll get less vocal when time goes by and more proof comes out.

Focus on informing people and new readers,it's essential,ignore the shills.

Lonesome_Pizza

You're absolutely right, but my problem is that the shills are effectively sliding the forum whenever good information is produced and this will cause potential leads and useful information to be drowned out, before anybody can make any good use of the information. This is why we need more pizzagate subverses to divide the shill army, they'll have to navigate through multiple subverses to keep up with our information.

shachalnur

Use deduction.

The more shilling on a specific thread,the more uncomfortable the info is for David Brock's shill army.

I usually like to read threads with many shills because of that.

if there's really important stuff being buried in shilling ,you might try the following:

Gather all the relevant info from that thread and the comments,with copies to links to good comments ,and repost stating that this information attracted many shills.

It's a bit of work,but might attract more attention,and minimizes shill interference in geting the message through.

remedy4reality

Hey... how about getting off your ass and actually doing some hard work to legitimately boost your SUBMISSION POINTS, rather than complaining about shit when you're only a 5 day account?

You have unknowingly or knowingly committed a shill move with your post.

Lonesome_Pizza

lol, you're attacking me for bringing up the issue about shills infesting this forum, check out my recent posts, they're filled with useful content, so you can get off your high horse and try tasting your medicine for once.

PS, Just because my account is open for 5 days, doesn't mean I never been involved in this community. There's plenty of well seasoned accounts that I suspect of being shills. Judge people based on the content they produce, check me out, I always try to produce useful content.

remedy4reality

I read your 4 submissions and every one of them was pretty lame and lazy. Don't worry about shills and don't take part in turning the sub into a bitch fest. That is wasted energy and you should know that if you want to be taken seriously.

Lonesome_Pizza

You're entitled to your opinion, but I haven't seen anybody else connect the dots on the pizza shop Lonesome Pizza, along with the shanghai tunnels closeby and Voodoo doughnuts across the street. James Alefantis has a coffin maker out in Oregon named Scott Cummings and CPP promoter Sasha Lord worked at the Girls Scouts in Salem, Oregon working with troubled kids.

To be honest, your posts on pizzagate are not that special, at least I found some new possible leads.

Lonesome_Pizza

I've been watching you John and you seem to have decent genuine posts, so I'm sure the community would be glad if you stayed around to keep us entertained.

But that simonrothchild shill is what triggered me to make this post, It'll be good if we could ban his ip address if all his accounts are linked to the same ip.

DarkMath

They come and go. But yes today they hit us pretty hard. It's usually in the beginning of the week. My theory is they hire people who've never heard of Pizzagate. Then they come over here and we tell them it's about elite's raping children and making money selling crack cocaine and heroin to poor black people and they quit by Wednesday.

ZPEnergyPsyOp

@DarkMath is a confirmed shill at v/pizzagateshills

DarkMath

And you PsyOp are a confirmed fruit cake.

Sorry.

DarkMath

Sorry PsyOp. We've been through this before with Peanut-gate.

One way Hillary Clinton was able to gang rape steal all that donated relief money was through setting up fake charities like that peanut coop.

Please watch "Clinton Cash" then come back here and apologize.

;-)

Tanngrisnir

Speak of shills and the shills appear. Hey Armyseer!

ZPEnergyPsyOp

Hey Tanngrisnir! I hope your boss has his Japanese Island picked out!

Tanngrisnir

Wait, you think I work for David Seaman right? Oh totally. He wants a volcano lair like in the James Bond movies.

Lonesome_Pizza

They come and go, but we have to realize that they are trying to snuff out any information that may produce leads. Whoever hired these people know that pizzagate is real, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time shilling. We have to come up with a way to defeat these pedo protecting shills

DarkMath

"Whoever hired these people know that pizzagate is real"

Yep. The shills are probably the reason I'm still here. I would have left a while ago but the fact they're still sending shills is proof there actually is something there. Otherwise why would they care?

The way to defeat these psychopaths is to spread the word. Start with your family and close friends. You need to convince them first. If you can't convince them then it's less likely you can convince people you don't know as well.

Lonesome_Pizza

I think the mods can do more to delete those BS posts about Alex Jones and David Seaman and force users to include date for any article they present, in general there needs to be specific filters in place to allow the mods to delete unqualified posts and redirect the person to the correct subverse.

DarkMath

I suggested that before but there's a pretty big problem doing that. Who get's to decide?

It's kind of like regulating free speech. One mans hate speech and another's freedom of expression.

Lonesome_Pizza

My thing is we need a separate pizzagate subverse for information pertaining to David Seaman and Alex Jones, because those 2 juggernauts will steal the attention from posts that actually contain important information. This why I believe we need a pizzagatenews subverse for Alex Jones and David Seaman. And I think we could benefit from having a pizzagate backup channel when the main channel gets spammed by shills.

carmencita

I suggest we call it Idol Island. About the shills, every time I meet up with a shill or someone points one out, I put them on my list. I have a list next to where I sit and they are on it. There used to be a shill list, but I do not see one anymore.

Lonesome_Pizza

Ok, that sounds perfect, hopefully others will see this message and catch on to it.

PizzagateBot

Hey there, how are you?

Lonesome_Pizza

I don't want to leave this forum, as it is very active, I think we need to create a lot more specific Pizzagate subverses. for example pizzagatenews, pizzagateoccult, pizzagate 1, pizzagate 2, pizzagate 3. We have to divide the shill army to make things more difficult for them. Plus by categorizing the pizzagate subverses, we'll have more organized information and evidence, plus it will be harder for shills to slide the threads with disinfo

rwb

There is one change I think would be extremely effective at countering so called shills, and that would be to ban the word shill altogether. Being forced to confront another member using a sentence constructed without the word shill would be thoroughly daunting to those who are here only to create dissension. It is a mathematical certainty that those who use the word shill most often and who constantly level the charge against others are in fact the actual shills, and it is their greatest weapon. The quality of discourse can only improve from such a change.

NeedPolyGF

If we wanted to talk about s h i l l s, what word would we have to use instead?

rwb

Mmmm.. perhaps bona fide, as in he/she's a bona fide shill. Not that it has any chance of actually being implemented en mass. The David Seaman Bashing Group is almost exclusively comprised of bona fide shills, because they refuse to acknowledge that vicious attacks and efforts to destroy him (of the kind we see here all the time) can only hurt the movement, because the majority of well intentioned PG followers - who want justice above all else - either like him or are neutral. Even those not fond of David's approach would not attack him the way he's been attacked if they were truly interested in justice above all else.

Lonesome_Pizza

Excellent, we should use a special codeword to mark those who we suspect as being so called "shills"

AssFaceSandwich2

That repeats the effect and just changes the word used, defeating the op's point.

Lonesome_Pizza

You're right also, the codeword will only be useful to a certain extent. I still believe we should have specific pizzagate subverses, rather than depending on 1 main subverse for all of our information, as the old saying goes, "dont put all your eggs in 1 basket".With all our eggs in 1 basket, the shills only have to attack 1 very popular main pizzagate subverse, we should have more pizzagate subverses with specific categories, so that our evidence will be more organized and so the shills will have to divide their forces to deal with us.

rwb

This is true. Admittedly, I don't view the problem so much as needing to label them as it is to remove their ability to cloud the water with the use of the term. I think most posters reveal what side their on merely by the content of their posts, until the "shill" war erupts, when the term is then bandied about with such reckless abandon by both sides, it becomes hard to discern who is who. Having a discussion about who is a shill when those under consideration are leveling the charge right back becomes fatiguing, which is exactly what they want and get. And any code word agreed upon in public would be quickly co-opted. A simple ban is what's needed. It's potential effect will never be known unless it's tried.

pizzaequalspedo

It is, but it won't stop us. We will carry on and outlast the shills!!

Lonesome_Pizza

I think this pizzagate forum is awesome, but it is too broad and this allows shills to spam about anything and slide the forum with disinformation. This is a war on knowledge and information, so we must have counter measure in place to disrupt the efforts of shills. I would love if somebody sent them a DDoS

Le_Squish

Why don't you guys get the mods to flair shills?

NeedPolyGF

What does flair mean?

Le_Squish

Tag, nickname. Part of a subs customization.

ThePuppetShow

It's hard to tell which side they're on sometimes.