mathemagician33

continuing to make the same argument does not suddenly make it true. to be perfectly honest, if that was an entirely innocent phrase, we wouldn't even be having this debate. it's you who isn't using the Occam's razor principle - not me.

mathemagician33

in the context of "spending time with someone online" - YES, that is exactly what it means.

UnicornsAndSparkles

http://i.imgur.com/arDJtEb.jpg

Thanks. I think it does have a look of JA and less like the guy in construction pics.

If it is infact JA, the way that child with him is very comfortable.

slickleg64

Has Alex Jones seen this?

Littleredcorvette

Mairi and Erin were both midwives. If you read closely, midwives is used in plural in the story.

Here is a site where Mairi mentions Erin and states she is retiring.

http://mamasmidwives.com/who-we-are/

http://archive.is/dLztl

@anonOpenPress

mathemagician33

it's you who should stop the obvious shilling, anyone with half a brain can see what was going on with "Evie's Crib". It's well known that Google manipulates their results. The claim that you googled "raw and uncut" and found inoffensive material in no way invalidates my point that the phrase "raw and uncut" has a sexual connotation more often than not. literally no one here is buying your argument and you aren't contributing ANYTHING useful to a discussion.

what exactly do you think "spend time" with Evie means, advertised on a blog like that? Is it normal for a step-grandmother to advertise or promote "spending time" with her infant step-granddaughter to random people on the internet? That is NOT normal.

if you want to look at it in more generic terms, the phrase "raw and uncut" almost always means "uncensored" - which has an obvious association with pornography/lewd material - sure, it COULD mean "unrefined" (as in diamonds), but that isn't what most people typically associate with the phrase (at least in American English).

mathemagician33

then you've obviously never spent any time on the internet. that's not "the reality" - that's your misinterpretation of the phrase.

furthermore, who exactly do you think is purchasing "raw and uncut" time on a webcam with an infant, if not for sexual purposes? who does that and for what purpose?

anonOpenPress

If you find that email mentioning Erin, I'd be happy. Looking for who she is.

VieBleu

we may run in circles but they are pedo free- can you say the same about your circles?.

noone222

I don't think it can be proven to be Alefantis.

mathemagician33

yes, most definitely.

UnicornsAndSparkles

Is there a picture of Ben for comparison?

mathemagician33

How do you not know about this? It's well known and archived right here before it was scrubbed: https://archive.is/JGhR6

She specifically says: "Evelyn is growing up, soon she will be the Queen of the entire US of A, right now, for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now, as in the future she will have the power of life and death over you."

The implications of that are OBVIOUS. It is not a ludicrous claim at all, and you would know that if you had done ANY research into this whatsoever.

Yuke

Yup. This came up long ago, the general consensus was that the man is NOT James Alefantis, and I for one believe that is the case 100%.

Piscina

Why oh why do people feel compelled to share every, single detail of their lives on social media? The world doesn't care about the minutiae of your contractions, waters breaking, birthing chairs Maeve.

EmKell

That poor child was born into ritual.

OhRutherfordBehave

So Alefantis knows the Luzzatto children and their mother, new to me....

SYNCORSWIM

Why is J.A. in the pic and not Ben? Why did she refer to Ben as her partner?

Votescam

Ben was outside getting Mairi's equipment from her vehicle as the birth occurred.... but odd no pic of Ben while there is a pic of James Alefantis -- !!

Alefantis claimed to be god-father to CarisJames .... is he also taking a god-fatherly position here to this child?

And what does might that mean for the future of both of those children?

VieBleu

thank you for reasonable questions.

johnpedostalol

They're so fucking delusional man, THEY are the dangerous people.

SYNCORSWIM

WTF. So is J.A. name actually Ben? Ben was her birthing partner. Why? Who's Skippy? Podesta?

RebelSkum

Still looking into this because I absolutely cannot believe it's real. It would be incredibly disturbing to say the least.

The name Luzzatto is right in there and everything though. Now I'm just confused as to who "Ben" and "Skip" really are.

anonOpenPress

Ben Luzzatto (husband) and probably Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. (godfather)

RebelSkum

Yeah, but this Ben Luzzatto character is a slippery sort. Not many good photos of the guy around the time period, but I did find some things.

Also, wtf is with Ben and Alexandra's wedding website being called Tribe of Legba ? Voodoo worshiping Marylanders who went to Sidwell Friends School sure sounds like only the most suspicious set of coincidences of all time.

Mad_As_Hell

Wow really?! Hard to explain that away innocently. Do you have a link?

RebelSkum

It's still up even after all this time: http://www.tribeoflegba.com/

Here's an archived version for the appropriately sketched out: http://archive.is/JLVRa

Mad_As_Hell

Thanks for this, again very difficult to think of a non-creepy explanation

RebelSkum

Preeeeeetty much. Between that, Tamara, the whole Sidwell School (school for Obama's kids, btw) thing going on and Ben Luzzatto's deliberate attempts to hide himself on the Internet make me very suspicious of them entirely.

Not sure how accepting Haitian Voodoo gods would actually be of Italian Americans from Maryland though. Seems like a really peculiar theme shared with Hillary too :/ Zoiks, Scoob!

HamstaRapper

She sent an email to Podesta that she's sending her kids over as entertainment. However a rational explanation is she listed their ages because that's something that they should know and be prepared for, and by "entertainment" she really meant "pain in the ass". Another explanation is by entertainment she was referring to the adults in the sense of "entertain a guest" (hospitality), and it's import to know the ages of any children [a cynic might say it's important to know so they can hide their soft bondage kiddie artwork].

They found a personal blog of the mother that had pictures of those kids. Alefantis looks like he might be in one of them, but others in this thread think it's not him.

druhill007

Ha. Good luck going down the path of trying to rationalize the innocence of overall ties... Explaining away 1 email is sort of possible... But it just gets harder and harder to go beyond rationalizing a few of the puzzle pieces.

FOR EXAMPLE. What what this woman doing selling Skype sessions with these kids?

If that example doesn't release you from the rationalization well guess what, there a shitload more :)

VieBleu

good effort and it has to be made. We forget how encountering this still makes people question in shock.

Mad_As_Hell

I agree, how do you explain Evie's Crib and the "raw and uncut" line in an innocent way?

johnpedostalol

See, this is why you are all FUCKING RETARDED. WHY IS IT WRONG TO PLAY WITH KIDS? HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW IT IS SEXUAL? WHERE DOES IT BECOME SEXUAL? THERE IS NOTHING SEXUAL ABOUT IT. SWIMMING WITH KIDS IS NOT SEXUAL. Hoooooly fuck you fucking tards. Hahaha jesus christ you tards.

Blacksmith21

Fuck off asshat. I'd gleefully sink an icepick behind your ear and not think twice about it.

johnpedostalol

Not think twice?! You're sooo ruthless xD

Harpua33

Are you masturbating and typing at same time?

Blacksmith21

It comes easy.

srayzie

For those of you who maybe haven't been here very long, here is something interesting for you. The mother in the picture who gave birth to Maeve Luzatto, is also an actress. She used to be on Xena. http://www.alexandratydings.com/

User88

According to IMDb, Alexandra Tydings...

*Attended high school at the Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C.

*Graduate of Brown University, 1993

*Grew up in Washington DC's colorful punk scene and at one time, was bassist and singer for 2 punk bands.

*Became a member of two punk music bands when she was young.

*Has two tattoos.

*Gave birth to her first child at age 31, a daughter Ruby Luzzatto on June 17, 2004. Gave birth to her second child at age 33, a daughter Emerson Luzzatto on June 4, 2006.

  • Alexandra Tydings is the daughter of Joseph Tydings, former U.S. Senator from Maryland (1965-1971) and his second wife, Terry Lynn Huntingdon Tydings. Alexandra is granddaughter of Millard E. Tydings, former U.S. Representative (1923-1927) and U.S. Senator from Maryland (1927-1951). Alexandra is also the great granddaughter of Joseph E. Davies, first Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission (for President Woodrow Wilson), US Ambassador to the USSR, Belgium and Luxemburg (for President Franklin D. Roosevelt). By virtue of Davies' second marriage, Alexandra is also the step great granddaughter of Marjorie Merriweather Post and step niece of Dina Merrill.

  • Alexandra Tydings has four half siblings from her father's first marriage: Mary Campbell Tydings Smith; Millard E. Tydings, II; Emlen Tydings; and Eleanor Davies Tydings. Alexandra also has one half sister from her mother's first marriage: Paige Crowly.**

*Teaching "Rock-and-Roll Yoga" in Washington, D.C. [January 2006]"

Source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0878714/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Votescam

Thank you -- interesting.

She's also writer/director --

The Trial of Hanna Porn is an award winning original play written and directed by Alexandra. The play is a multi-media exploration of the ongoing struggle for control of the female body. The play premiered at the Charm City Fringe Festival in 2015.

from your link

srayzie

I've always wondered if she knows what her step mother does with her children

Votescam

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Tyding provided by a poster above --

Actually, it's Ben Luzzatto and clearly that seems to mean that it is the paternal step-mother... i.e., the husband's parents.

srayzie

Well I wonder if they are aware

Votescam

Presume you mean are the parents - mother and father -- aware that it looks like the children are being sexually abused as arranged by the step-mother?

I raised that question above as much of this sexual abuse is generational.

Maybe someone here has more info on this or that eventually we will have more info on these children.

srayzie

Yeah. I wonder if Ben knows that his step mom is pimping out his kids

islandofdelight

https://archive.fo/IgfCX Archived Steemit post about Tamera Luzzatto.

R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd

This piece gave me goose bumps for some reason. Buy the man who wrote that a beer if he's still here.

DICKFART_

thanks for the link ,i agree it seems likely its ben luzzatto.. The podesta email still seems very strange to me though. especially considering Tamera Luzzatto's invite-only blog page : https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u6egb/tamera_luzzattos_inviteonly_blog_page/ Title Here

Candygram_for_Mongo

"further entertainment" after dinner, after drinks, kids for dessert

Blacksmith21

You get an upvoat just for the handle.

Littleredcorvette

It had been posted here in the early days.

It's good to get it out again.

I looked a little closer at the two kids. Emerson is sucking her thumb. Now think back on what you know about kids who are too old to be sucking on their thumbs. She is 2. Does it mean they're under stress? Does it mean bad parenting? Use that knowledge to guide your thinking or discussions with others.

Why are the girls dressed so differently? Didn't they come from the same place? Sis-in-law took them to her house before the birth tub was filled. For a possible sleepover. Ruby is dressed for bed; Emerson is not.

This looks like a family photo. JA a looks like a proud papa. Where is Ben, the husband? Why isn't his photo included with his family? Who took the pictures?

Why are Ruby's pj bottoms so droopy? Where are JA's hands?

Look at the photo where 2-yr old Emerson is holding the baby. Look at those bags under her eyes. Poor baby. What else is going on in this picture? Who is she looking at? Who's hand is in the pic? She doesn't look excited to hold the new baby. Why might this be the case?

Read the story again. Pay special attention to the people mentioned in the story. Have we identified all the players? Let me get you started...has anyone noticed the reference to Ruby's Godfather SKIP in the story!!! He brought firewood. Could JP be Ruby's godfather? Was he present at this birth too?

Is ja mentioned in the story itself or Just the photo? Does anyone have access to the entire story? Who is SKIP? Skippy perhaps??? Who is Susan? Is she a godmother too?

🏎

educate_yourself

honestly i dont think the picture is good enough for you to be sherlock holmesing so hard, no offense. like yeah no doubt fucked up shit is happening and those poor kids certainly have gone through some shit but the photo doesnt really give us enough information and doesnt really matter anyway because conversations of that nature, speculating and sorta questioning little things that dont matter either way, are sssssoooooooooooooooo far away from where we are now imho

FloridaJackalope

wrong, this picture links James alefantis to suspected child-abuse victims by John Podesta. The e-mail was originally sent to John Podesta, and Alefantis was never in the picture until now.

DopeandDiamonds

Two is not too old for the kid to suck his thumb. My friend's son was broke of the habit around a year old but sucked his thumb when he was tired. I am guessing because the other child is in pjs that it is bedtime or close to it. The pj pants look too long for her so she will grow into them. These things are not weird to me.

Why are both kids not dressed for bed? Clearly both are tired.

I am woman, not a mom, but i have kids in my life. I get that everyone wants a different birthing experience but something about a home birth raises red flags like crazy to me. This is her third child and she had false alarms with labor in days leading up to the birth. Why would she go out on this planned outing days before he due date after having had false labor recently? Especially with it being her third kid. Labor doesn't last as long the more kids you have. That's a big risk. Think about it. She wants a home birth, has had false labor prior, goes far away to sit on a hay ride and get bumped around. Good way to start labor but shitty if you are far away and can't make it home fast.

This whole story is bizarre and very unsettling.

Edit: Just want to say I am not judging a woman's choice to have a baby at home. An expectant mother should do whatever she feels comfortable with for her birth. It just makes me think something needs to be hidden away that cannot be hidden at the hospital. I am also not saying that the midwife is in on this. I have no idea and am not implying she did anything wrong or knows of JA and his fucked up actions. I am sure she is a wonderful midwife and don't want her career ruined because of these shady as fuck people if she is innocent.

VIrginiaPerson

It is weird and unnatural to have a bunch of random people around for a birth, especially a home birth. Women have a natural feeling of not wanting people around when they give birth.

DopeandDiamonds

Absolutely

vintagedaisy

I have 4 kids and don't think a two year old sucking their thumb is that unusual. Especially I'm a stressful situation or when tired. (not saying there isn't weirdness going on overall)

dustyr

I did work for a grown woman that sucked her thumb. She knew it was weird, and mentioned that when I saw her. I assume it's a habit that should be broken when young, if not they keep doing it.

Littleredcorvette

That's why is appears weird to some but not to others. Your personal lens and experience shapes your view.

My daughter never did suck her thumb so I don't have that lens of perspective.

Mostly I've heard mother in law tales and advice about it given to others. Because every mil "knows" how to fix it lol

HollandDrive

LOL. True. It's complicated :) I mean thumb-sucking ... it can go on for quite a long time, not unusual.

Verite1

Dudes I sucked my thumb til I was 11 !! No big whoop

noworldorder

The entire story is still up here: http://mamasmidwives.com/maeve-chaim/

Votescam

Thank you and read the full story which I think makes clear that this is a very healthy female who does Yoga and because of regular early contractions probably thought it highly possible that they would continue to go on with due date two days ahead. She did make it home without problems.

What is odd in the story is the seeming prominent position of James Alefantis in the scene. Why?

Wish the pics could be enlarged.

But this did cause me to say "huh?" .... Maeve Chaim Luzzatto

Isn't Luzzatto a name we've heard before in at least one of these researched connections?

Votescam

Obviously, paternal side. Luzzatto ... (duh) ... realized it after I posted the question. Thanks for the reply. :)

3141592653

Isn't that the lady who talks about her three kids In the pool for entertainment???

Littleredcorvette

Thanks. I'm on mobile and tech challenged.

GregNH

Link please?

DICKFART_

i think you might be right. do we have a picture of ben luzatto?

Votescam

I'd say that Ben Luzzatto may be the guy in the picture -- Same kind of hairline at top of head - high forehead -- and notice he is wearing black with white Tee underneath.

Seems Ben and Alefantis look a good bit alike!

concernedaboutitall

Yeah, it does seem so. Very similar, perhaps even related.

DICKFART_

could just be him then...

DontTreadOnMemes

Yeah I think it's Ben Luzatto. Doesn't really change Alex Tyding giving her kids to Tamera Luzatto to send to her friends.

RebelSkum

And as I mentioned in another comment, for some reason Ben and Alex had some fascination with Legba (voodoo god of sex, children and keys), went to the same politically connected schools as any other elite, and more. Definitely looking into it more when I can.

anonOpenPress

"Ruby's godfather Skip"

"I spoke to Erin"

"Susan (who was assisting them)"

Could that anyhow be the same "Skip" aka Henry Louis Gates Jr. in the handkerchief story https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1750186 -- or the same Erin unknown to me -- or the same Susan aka Susan Sandler. Am I reaching or is there another new connection of dots...

They both attended the Martha's Vineyard dogshow...

Where also the handkerchief story takes place on the summer of 2014. Ok, quite a lot to be a coincidence. One more...

"Being Irish and superstisious..."

Skip saying "You're going to give birth to Barry White "

"Maeve" is also an Irish name

Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. is also of part Irish descent. Wow. midwife home birth, no birth certificate? Wow.

Jem777

Could Skip be Podesta? Could Susan be Alefantis mother Susan?

anonOpenPress

"Has anyone found evidence that Maeve Luzzatto (should be age 8), from the creepy pool party email, is okay?" https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1456441/

BlackManta

Podesta's nickname is Skippy. Maybe related?

anonOpenPress

John "Skippy" Podesta and Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. do know each other well, if that's what you mean

anonOpenPress

Adding a link to the birth story http://mamasmidwives.com/maeve-chaim/

mathemagician33

pretty crazy that Alefantis happens to be connected to the family of the woman who was basically selling "uncut, raw" webcam sex with her infant step-granddaughter (the "Evie's Crib" blog of Tamera Luzatto). can't imagine that's a coincidence, but I'm sure people will try to explain that away by saying that she's obviously in the same social circle as the Podestas (since the emails are from JP's account), and that circle includes JA.

Freemasonsrus

That is the father of the girls I believe, husband to the woman who is in the bed. Not JA.

Votescam

Mother refers to her "partner" .... Ben.

Ben was retrieving Miari's equipment from here vehicle and didn't make it into the pic.

Poot_McGarvey

tbh the pic looks much more like JA then Ben Luzatto

Votescam

You can't really see the face - only the hairline. No mention of Alefantis in the article but there is a mention that Ben was there. At one point just before the birth he went outside to bring in Mairi's equipment but obviously he would have returned and obviously the photographer would have wanted a pic of the Mother and FATHER. And the father was (according to the Mother) ... Ben.

brbomglolwtfbbq

jesus christ i hate this world

BlackManta

I know that feeling. Ignorance was bliss but I can't and won't pretend it's not there. Double edged sword :(

bikergang_accountant

I just wish after not being ignorant I could ask the law not to be.

BlackManta

Me too. Are you a biker? There's an awesome organization called Bikers Against Child Abuse. It's legit. I donate to them when I can.

druhill007

But now you have a sword to defend yourself with ;) and to potentially save others with ;) AND POTENTIALLY SAVE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!

BlackManta

And people like you guys out there :). Gives me hope.

druhill007

😊😊😊😊😊🙏🙏🙏🙏✊✊✊✊

Blacksmith21

The problem is finding ways to drown out the noise when you need it.

Jem777

This picture was shown in the beginning. Alefantis was at some birth.Strange

carmencita

It is the birth of one of the children in the pool. The one the Stepmother was providing for the disgusting amusement of the adults. It was at Sweet Beginnings in Md. A birthing center. These people are beyond sick, they are possessed by Satan.

Votescam

Was it a "Step-grandmother" ..... ????

or "Step-Mother"???? which might mean a divorce or the relationship moved on elsewhere?

carmencita

Yes, sorry, Miss wrote that. She was the Step-Grandmother of the children. She was married to their grandfather after he divorced, and then passed away. What a charmer.

Votescam

Hi -- Thank you. Wondering if anyone knows if this Step-Mother/Grandfather situation is on maternal or paternal side of family? Might be important to know as often this sexual abuse is generational. If I find anything on that, I'll let you know. :)

cakeoflightylight

A while back someone said that may be her husband and not Alefartface. No idea... It looks similar.

Bluebirdsolitude

"Alefartface"....lolol

DICKFART_

do you have a link to the post? search is not helping

DICKFART_

not just some birth , the birth of Maeve Luzzatto the girl from the podesta email https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/54545 where a bunch of adults are told there will be ''entertainment in the pool'' in the form of 3 kids.

Blacksmith21

Remember....one day she shall rule the world.

fuckfacemcgee

That they could be genuinely serious that she may being legitimately groomed to be a world leader, is very unnerving.

Seriously, what if the elite really do groom leaders from birth? Using CIA, MK Ultra tactics and sexual ritualistic abuse to create an army of hollow shells for any purpose.

That sounded crazy a decade ago, now it's seeming very likely to be true and it's becoming exposed.

2impendingdoom

I think that is the birth of one of the "kids that will be in the pool, for sure"

carmencita

Yes. I recognize it. Someone was trying to expose this a while back. I can't remember if it was in a post or in comments. She reached out to me to help her. I wrote it within the comments but no one picked it up. Yes it is the birth of one of the kids in the pool. Yes, Special Beginnings in Md.