Cara_C

I think it's because Pizzagate is where we will find the big fish - and the big fish want us focused elsewhere so they've sent out their minions to try to throw us off their scent. They might give us a few scalps in Pedogate and assure us the problem has been solved so we'll go away, leaving them untouched. They want us to think there's a problem in the Deep State with some corrupt players trying to blackmail otherwise innocent politicians, and not to think there's a group of extremely wealthy pedophile satanists running the world. Pizzagate is the real deal. The window opened by Podesta's Wikileaked emails and Comet Ping Pong's artwork, logos, and Instagram is the one that the big fish are trying to close.

V____Z

I wish this comment was a standalone post.

HollandDrive

Yeah, can't emphasize this enough. And it's really telling that Jones and Cernovich are diverting.

HollandDrive

Thank-you. You think these guys walk to their car at night looking over their shoulders much?? Hardly.

This is not a game, this is not showbiz, this is deadly stuff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275258/Phillip-Marshall-Former-airline-pilot-conspiracy-theorist-shot-dead-teenage-children-dog-turning-gun-himself.html

Jakestr

Don't want like to say I told you so but I told you so Alex Jones is nothing but a gatekeeper. And he's trying to control the narrative

equineluvr

Yep. Some of us have been around for awhile so "know" him. :)

LightlyToasted

It's good to have more supporting evidence of your assertion.

V____Z

We've been trying to tell Voat for months now. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1618655

LightlyToasted

There it is. TY.

DarkMath

Where did you get "not wider Pedogate"?

Cernovich goes into great detail on how Deep State uses pedophilia to entrap politicians. What am I missing?

LightlyToasted

Please view the clip again. Cernovich says (per his source): "Pizzagate was a distraction and a false flag a psychological operation run by deep state to get people focusing away from [unintelligible, feed cuts out]." & later in the clip Jones says Pizzagate (the restaurant, by extension Alefantis) was a "trap." That makes no sense and is contrary to the evidence uncovered as related to Comet Ping Pong. Cernovich describes brownstone operations, but somehow, Alefantis isn't involved. Again, this does not fit with the evidence gathered post-Podesta email publication.

HollandDrive

Sad.

DarkMath

"Pizzagate was a distraction and a false flag"

It was without question a false flag. It's not even debatable. I think you're interpreting that as institutionalized pedophilia isn't a problem. It is. Cernovich is rightly pointing out the way to fight it isn't at CPP. We lost that battle. And don't fight yesterday's battles.

There are many battles to come.

LightlyToasted

No, the "shooting" at CPP was a false flag. Cernovich's theory would have you believe the Deep State planted evidence on Podesta's emails years ago and planted evidence across other social media to reveal their own brownstone operations. That makes no sense. Therefore, it is misinformation by Cernovich that gives Alefantis more cover.

DarkMath

"No, the 'shooting' at CPP was a false flag"

That's not what Cernovich said. In fact that's not even what you quoted him as saying which was:

"Pizzagate was a distraction and a false flag"

LightlyToasted

Cernovich said this (per his source) Pizzagate was a distraction and a false flag a psychological operation run by deep state to get people focusing away from [unintelligible, feed cuts out]. That is a mischaracterization of the facts. The shooting was a false flag, that's it. Later in the clip, Jones also says Pizzagate was a set up, he did not say the shooting was a setup (false flag)

HollandDrive

He outed himself when he said that. Do NOT trust this guy Cernovich.

DarkMath

Forgive me but I'm not following your point.

Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis and Edgar Welch were all red-herrings. They were all "false-flags". That entire block is a false flag.

You seem to be implying that James Alefantis committed a crime and therefor he couldn't be a false flag.

But everyone knows the whole place is one giant false flag deplorable shit lord trap.

LightlyToasted

The evidence shows the opposite. Welch was sent in for a false flag operation. Alefantis, the frequent Obama WH visitor, is neck-deep CIA or similar displaying children at CPP, hosting all-age, all-night sleep overs w/children, hosting Majestic Ape/Sasha Lorde productions w/their occult imagery (and taking part in MA himself from time to time) and who wants to hook Podesta up w/some pizza. If the Pizzagate evidence is a false flag, the Deep State outed one of their operatives which makes no sense.

DarkMath

"The evidence shows the opposite."

I think I know the problem. I'm saying there is no evidence on James Alefantis that could be used in court. That's not saying he's innocent or guilty. It's just there's lower hanging fruit elsewhere.

But you're certainly correct there does exist evidence that JA is a pedophile. You just need to see his Instagram Avatar to figure that out. The problem is we don't have time to chase down everything. There's better evidence elsewhere.

LightlyToasted

I get your point better, ty for clarifying. Should one expend all energy on just Alefantis' criminal corner? No, we know Pedogate is decades long and worldwide. I don't want to test your patience or split hairs too much, but much of the evidence citizens recovered against Alefantis would be admissible in a criminal trial as 4th Amendment protections only cover searches by the gov't (or their agent). Citizen evidence would be admissible as well as the public information found on instagram and the like. But I digress, I do understand your point.

DarkMath

"Citizen evidence would be admissible"

Cool, I didn't know that. Makes me think this thing will come down faster than I thought.

LightlyToasted

A non-corrupt law enforcement agent and prosecutor could investigate and try this case in short time. They clearly don't want to or are prevented from doing so. All of it is troubling.

HollandDrive

Bingo.

DarkMath

"All of it is troubling."

It shouldn't trouble you because the way these psychotics will go to jail is very boring and mundane issues like tax and charity fraud. There's even financial forensics that could put Hillary in front of a firing squad.

All that evidence is in the Clinton Foundation and elsewhere. There's nothing at CPP that would put anyone away for a long time.

LightlyToasted

That's true. Do you see HRC in handcuffs anytime soon? Sadly, I don't. I'd really like to see the larger criminal conspirators go down for the multiple murders. Hwv, you're correct, they'll eventually get some ppl for financial crimes.

DarkMath

Hillary will be put in jail. When the truth about Ghouta Syria comes out she'll be tried for war crimes.

HollandDrive

If there is video evidence of pedophillia, caught in the act, for example on the Weiner laptop, that would do nicely. LOL, not funny, but that's what I'D prefer (not fraud).

DarkMath

That's probably on there too. But just know that there is evidence tying Hillary Clinton to the Sarin gas attack in Ghouta Syria that killed 1300 innocent men, women and children and what is increasingly looking like a false flag attack to force Obama to invade.

HollandDrive

Nasty woman.

HollandDrive

No, we need the "big names" taken down. The ones directly implicated by CPP and the clique. That is, the ones we're being diverted from by people saying it was all one big hoax. The ones that will help uncover the Clinton Foundation. So Cernovich is damaged goods.

DarkMath

"The ones directly implicated by CPP"

There's TONS more evidence to take down those big names with a full financial audit of the Clinton Foundation. That's obvious if you see Clinton Cash. There's a massive New Orleans Katrina style levy holding back tons of evidence in the form of Andrew McCabe and James Comey. That's where the golden thread that will untangle this whole thing is found.

CPP and JA are meaningless. They're minnows in a sea of Great White Sharks.

HollandDrive

I understand, but the question is, why is Alex Jones and others playing down CPP? There is some reason. Probably because financial audits don't, and won't, shock the public as much as heinous pedophillia crimes that could be exposed by unraveling CPP and gang. Which hasn't truly been done yet. We may disagree at this point. We'll have to wait and see.

DarkMath

"financial audits don't, and won't, shock the public"

The "shock the public" isn't going to put these people in jail. What will put these people in jail and some in front of a firing squad is forensic financial auditing. It doesn't sound like much but it is.

They did a similar thing to catch Al Capone. They couldn't get him on the "shock the public" stuff so they went after him for tax fraud. The end result was the same: he went to jail.

HollandDrive

Yes, I have long thought that this was the way to do it. But it stinks that Cernovich is totally denying CPP, and in fact, going farther, and calling it a false flag operation by the govt.

DarkMath

"Cernovich is totally denying CPP"

Maybe, but I think he and Alex Jones are doing it so they don't get sued.

HollandDrive

Cernovich is equating Comet Ping Pong, all the wikileaks, everything, with Sandy Hook level well-planned psy-op.

DarkMath

I know he is for CPP but could you show me where in the interview he says wikileaks and Sandy Hook are psy-ops.

(by psy-op do you mean red-herring?)

HollandDrive

The clip is short, but he leads with it. He says plainly ...

It was a "false-flag operation run by deep state." "Designed to divert us from the big pedo picture."

Just as SHook was designed as a gun grab. That is exactly what he is saying. That the whole CPP thing was a hoax.

He's full of crap. Yes cognitive dissonance will be a result of this, for some.

DarkMath

"Just as SHook was designed as a gun grab."

I'm still not understanding your point, I'm sorry. Sandy Hook did technically happen but it was a fraud to generate a ground swell for banning assault rifles.

You seem to be saying Sandy Hook was real and real kids and teachers died. Nothing could further from the truth. Each parent was paid $281,000. All the kids were acting. There were no open casket funerals. They delivered porta-potties before any ambulances arrived. Sandy Hook was a total fabrication.

HollandDrive

Sandy Hook was indeed a total hoax. I figured out that out three years ago. (I had time on my hands.) So I completely agree with you.

I think where you're having trouble is, you're not understanding that Cernovich is saying the same thing about CPP, that the whole thing was a totally fabricated big deep state psy op, to throw us off from chasing the big pedos.

Just as the purpose of Sandy Hook was to disarm us.

DarkMath

"saying the same thing about CPP, that the whole thing was a totally fabricated big deep state psy op"

But it was. There's no hard evidence at CPP. I'm sure people could find something but nothing consequential.

Whereas with Sandy Hook the audit trail from Obama down to the "Capstone Exercise" in Newtown CT is lit up with 10 gigawatt florescent lighting flashing on and off every 1 second.

HollandDrive

Agreed, about Sandy Hook and evidence (if anybody would really pursue it) ... but CPP was NOT a set-up by the Deep State.

You'd have to conclude all the wikileaks were too, and all the other circumstantial evidence that researchers have been looking into.

DarkMath

"but CPP was NOT a set-up by the Deep State."

We'll have to agree to disagree. CPP was Deep State, the blatant pedo symbols is what gave it away.

And the wikileaks with the "walnut sauce" those will all probably be red-herrings as well.

These people have BILLIONS to play with. They're playing 4d chess.

HollandDrive

Okay, to be clear then, you agree w/ Cernovich, that the whole thing w/ CPP was engineered by CIA or some other intel? That it was a total hoax?

DarkMath

"CPP was engineered by CIA"

Yes. The Deep State needed a red herring to trap investigators. It acted as a fire break to contain a forest fire from burning down an entire village so to speak.

HollandDrive

No that is crazy DM!

DarkMath

Sigh.....I didn't literally mean "forest fire". I used a metaphor.

You're not a native English speaker I can tell.

HollandDrive

I'm from the states. I mean I can't believe you think it was a deep state psy op, completely contrived. I would urge you to reconsider, good-night in a bit, take care, I like your comments.

V____Z

alex says the same thing.

equineluvr

The gatekeepers are in an echo chamber.

HollandDrive

Yep.

quantokitty

Here's a recent tweet of Cerno stating he always thought Obama was a "DECENT MAN"?!!!! WTF?!!! How could he have ever believed this ... how? So he was used against HRC? That's why he was fighting so hard for Trump? This makes NO sense. Especially because he broke the Susan Rice story. I think he's listening to someone feeding him BS. It's the only thing that fits. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/849717636137009152

DarkMath

That worried me too. It could be them playing 5d chess.

Obama is guilty and will be arrested eventually. I'm just not sure when.

equineluvr

Ocommie is a royal, you dufus. Jewish royalty on his maternal side.

quantokitty

Yes, indeed. I think it's what Trump did with the wiretapping. Dig this: Trump goes on a seeming rampage accusing Obama through a tweet of wiretapping ... with no proof. This was the set-up. The Dems or maybe let's call them Dumbs bit. They tore into what seemed a really good chance to make him look like a raving lunatic. After all, there was no way Trump could have had the intel. wink wink Sooooo, they wait until one-by-one, all the Dumbs loudly proclaim that there was NO wiretap! Then the story begins to leak out ... first with Evelyn Farkas and then, Susan Rice. Now we have all those stupid bastards on record as LYING!!!! And Trump emerges like the wronged party since wiretapping a private citizen with no info and then unmasking the contacts is disgusting, reprehensible, and possibly illegal. Genius!!!!

quantokitty

Mike Cernovich is a shill? And Jones is saying MSN pushed pizzagate?!!!! Okay, they're both on my shit list. Cernovich said he was told so maybe he's listening to somebody he shouldn't ... but this is bad .. really bad. Pizzagate LED to discovering global pedophile connectioins. It did not in any way contain or isolate anything. By #pizzagters following the clues and going down the rabbit hole, ties to Haiti, The Netherlands, France, Britain, Africa, and other locales were discovered. THE COLLECTIVE WE EXPOSED IT AND NOT THESE TWO IDIOTS! If this is true, fuck them both up their asses. Jones I'm not surprised by, but Cernovich? Very, very, very disappointed. Can I say VERY?

LostandFound

You appear to have deviated from the the narrative Kitty - please refrain from looking at any new evidence or leads and please focus on these cases we have had sown up for several years. If in any doubt please refresh yourself on page 12 of the Shariablue manual for pushing people down dead ends.

quantokitty

Yes, kitties tend to stray. It's why you never hear of cat herders.

lawfag123

BUY MY BOOK

quantokitty

Ha! Yeah, I guess that was what it was about ...

equineluvr

Ha ha, of course.

V____Z

I was too. I decided to have hope in someone with a large platform, and again find another controlled operative. He's got a shady past, it turns out.

quantokitty

So he's a disinfoist ... sometimes telling the truth so the hook penetrates your soft palate, and then spreads the narrative which is all lies. Oh, man! This is so disappointing. I truly hope this is a game. I really do. I won't mind if that's what this turns out to be.

V____Z

He may not realize that whomever is feeding him intel is playing him. I have a feeling he does know what's up and is a willing disinfo agent, but there is the possibility he's just naive. (That was a lie, I don't believe he's innocent. But i'm sick of being so negative.)

quantokitty

I hear you and understand, but it's hard to believe he's so naive that he would dismiss all these posts and the posts on the other sites. Then he says in the next breath the true conspiracy is a global one? WHAT?!!!! If it's global, then it has to be in the US also ... no? Otherwise it wouldn't be global! And you can't dismiss the numbers of missing children and those numbers are consistently high!!! I don't know what to think ... I'll see what he says about this revelation he's supposed to post. The man can't even hire a proofreader for his blog!!!!

HollandDrive

To make it "global" (which I don't deny it is) is to spread everyone so thin nothing will be accomplished, we'll be adrift. That's their agenda.

quantokitty

Yes, but it's also to "raise money" for these yahoos going overseas and stopping the spread of child trafficking. I'm waiting for the French Foreign Legion to come here to do the same.

V____Z

He's straight up opposition. I've become convinced in the last few hours. This is amazing: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1772036

quantokitty

Hallelujah and amen! Absolutely. There were so many things wrong with what AJ's video that I don't know where to begin, but the article did a great job pointing things out. Like the fact that AJ appropriated pizzagate. Because the topic was so popular, it catapulted his ratings, and what does AJ do in return? Throw everyone that helped in making pizzagate a hot topic under the bus! But here's the number one reason that what AJ said is a lie: He's saying that PG was a distraction from the swinger's club drugging andblackmailing Republicans, right? Well, if were the case, pizzagate would have thrown suspicion on a Republican operation not on a Dem-run operation. It makes absolutely no sense and defies credulity to think the dems would distract by throwing another sleazy dem run operation into the spotlight. We'd also have to believe that JA knew ahead of time and posted all those LEWD, OBSCENE and PEDO-LACED comments on Instagram, and started Panda Magazine ... and started shell companies and that Podesta's cousin Pattie Paule-Carres also registered shell companies (one named Gucifer) because she was going to be a part of the distraction, and that she moved to Amsterdam and started a museum and had a consulting company in the states that just happened to do business with China and sold the business to someone who used to work for Lockheed?!!!! Is anyone buying this? Oh, but then, just to make it look good, Heavy Breathing was formed and pedo-performances held and before that JA was accused of spitting in the food, but that also was to lend authenticity, and that in 2007 he bought Pegasus Museum and spray painted KIDS on the fence of a house overlooking a playground and had friends tag a photo of a baby with the caption that she needs a crate? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYBODY?!!!! Then there's Luzzatto throwing her grandkids in the pool and starting Evie's Crib where you get raw and uncensored time with a minor .... crazy!!! AJ and Cernovich are OUT OF THEIR MINDS!!!!

HollandDrive

He's a marketer/promoter, I remember his book from years ago, and have you seen him in his video, sipping on his mushroom drink I think it was, so weird, and cocky, a real turn off ... all his other previous pizzagate videos were a turn off too, the thing he's happy about is that he was a big man on 60 Minutes recently.

There's something bigger than pizzagate though that is about to change the world, so, chin up.

HollandDrive

Hey Mike and Alex, get out of showbiz. Don't tell us where to "not look."

quantokitty

Hell, yeah!

LightlyToasted

Net effect is that it protects Alefantis and all the players connected to Pizzagate. Are Cernovich's ties to Dershowitz (and by extension Epstein) at work here?

DarkMath

"protects Alefantis"

Where have you been under a rock? CPP and James Alefantis were red-herrings.

HollandDrive

Red herrings in what way exactly? Edit: I see the conversation already going on with you and OP, never mind.