I will not argue one bit about human greed, its abundant.
However!
Life feeds on life. There is no way around this. There is nothing of nutritional value that was not once a living thing. Who are you to decide the value of life? Plants, fruits, vegetables, nuts, et cetera, were all also given life.
Life feeds on life. You pretentious fool. This is the nature of existence, and your delusional moral high ground is more of an affront to nature then killing and consuming animals ever was.
Please just stop eating and die, if you really want to be so morally upstanding.
No one is saying to stop eating. That is exaggerating. We are just saying that it has gotten out of hand too. Like everything in this country. Moderation. We eat meat tree times a week and are trying to cut it down to two. Once in a while we fall off the wagon, but not very often. One reason we are doing it is that we know the world is going crazy and some have to make up for others. We are making that choice. Last year we went out with a bunch of people for Oktoberfest and people were just gorging themselves on all kinds of pork roast, pork sausages, pork everything and tons of beer. They were falling all over themselves at the bar. We left it was so disgusting. It used to be that men did this, now the women are joining them. I think they are putting something in the food. Really. Think about it.
It's certainly possible. I think it may simply just be that fact that food is being made to be as delicious as possible, while also being abundantly available for consumers.
You better oppose Nature directly then, it's the biggest death machine there is.
And who are you to say what plants and animals actually feel? Or can and can't feel?
Do you actually know? No, you dont, you only grasp at a facade of virtuous assumptions.
This is the Truth YOU need to confront; the nature of life, is to devour other life. Your entire Physical being is the remains of life that came before you.
I am very aware this hurts you because of your delicate and childish worldview. Life is a brutal and unforgiving beast. You can live your life however foolishly you wish, just keep from pushing your unnatural vegan bullshit.
So, Comic, you'd be content to be a Podest hog roast - and if they decided to improve the recipe by torturing, raping and then skinning you alive [just to increase the adrenaline, you understand] and decide to dig out your pituitary gland while you are alive [it just gives me a better buzz if it's really fresh], you're OK with that?
And if eating baby cows [veal] is just fine and dandy, then why not eating baby humans - or toddlers?
The line between right and wrong - indeed the idea itself - is just a human concept, and arbitrarily drawn.
You are correct there is an arbitrary line. Not sure why you think I would be ok with cannibalism though. Youre getting too excited.
For what its worth, I wish slow painful death on all the elitest assholes involved with all this sick shit. Not sure why you think I'm on their side...
I read your remarks in another thread about Crowley, so I've got your worldview. I don't like it, and I oppose it. The best quality a human can possess is empathy for their fellow man, and then for creatures. A person well imbued with empathy needs virtually nothing else to be an asset to the world. While the majority of religions collide in one way or another, the fundamental tenet is the same. Suffering is temporary, because it is within the purview of the Creator to change nature, and religious texts indicate a definite timeline where nature will be changed. In the meantime, it is incumbent upon those who wish to partake in the new nature to strive toward an ideal of least suffering, however impractical that may be.
So you got my world view from that? Whats my view then?
The " best quality" you claim for humans was held in abundance by Crowely, as evidenced by his work. He promoted love and unity. He spoke out for the rights of woman and children in early 1900's. He helped even those he disliked.
I dont worship the guy, or even agree with everything he says, but I have at least read most of his books and ideas, and It blows my mind how misrepresented Crowley is.
Have noticed the comparison. These people are treating kids and to some extent us the same way animals are treated.
But to expand factory farming is a system implemented by the ruling class. It's inhumane and we all know it, this is why cameras aren't allowed on the farms.
I never eat pork. If you must have pork bacon treat it as a dessert. I don't mean dip it in chocolate. Bacon is in everything now. Even Bacon ice cream. Think about it. I have cut down on meat a lot. Not there yet but working on it. All the kids nowadays are guzzling tons of beer and pork. They are trying to kill us. When we do buy meat we buy organic or without growth hormones. If you just can't cut it out, then cut it down. There are so many wonderful veggie recipes out there now. Try them.
Lolll. It's crazy though cause he does have a point. To these people abusing children has been a way of life for centuries.... Same with eating animals and bacon is fucking delicious. Am I gonna stop eating bacon even though the implications of suffering are very real... Probably not (although after re-rationalizing it like this I'll consider) Are they gonna stop abusing children? Not a chance
▼ CosmicChrist
I will not argue one bit about human greed, its abundant. However!
Life feeds on life. There is no way around this. There is nothing of nutritional value that was not once a living thing. Who are you to decide the value of life? Plants, fruits, vegetables, nuts, et cetera, were all also given life.
Life feeds on life. You pretentious fool. This is the nature of existence, and your delusional moral high ground is more of an affront to nature then killing and consuming animals ever was.
Please just stop eating and die, if you really want to be so morally upstanding.
▼ carmencita
No one is saying to stop eating. That is exaggerating. We are just saying that it has gotten out of hand too. Like everything in this country. Moderation. We eat meat tree times a week and are trying to cut it down to two. Once in a while we fall off the wagon, but not very often. One reason we are doing it is that we know the world is going crazy and some have to make up for others. We are making that choice. Last year we went out with a bunch of people for Oktoberfest and people were just gorging themselves on all kinds of pork roast, pork sausages, pork everything and tons of beer. They were falling all over themselves at the bar. We left it was so disgusting. It used to be that men did this, now the women are joining them. I think they are putting something in the food. Really. Think about it.
▼ CosmicChrist
I don't disagree with what you're saying here, of course its out of hand.
▼ carmencita
Yes. But I do believe they are putting something in our food to make us eat more.
▼ CosmicChrist
It's certainly possible. I think it may simply just be that fact that food is being made to be as delicious as possible, while also being abundantly available for consumers.
The answer is almost always profits.
▼ ForestTygerPeach
Capacity to suffer is what distinguishes us from plants. To feel pain.
You are the selfish one and your oration will convince only those unwilling to confront the truth.
We oppose all systematic death machines.
▼ CosmicChrist
You better oppose Nature directly then, it's the biggest death machine there is.
And who are you to say what plants and animals actually feel? Or can and can't feel? Do you actually know? No, you dont, you only grasp at a facade of virtuous assumptions.
This is the Truth YOU need to confront; the nature of life, is to devour other life. Your entire Physical being is the remains of life that came before you.
I am very aware this hurts you because of your delicate and childish worldview. Life is a brutal and unforgiving beast. You can live your life however foolishly you wish, just keep from pushing your unnatural vegan bullshit.
▼ Silverlining
So, Comic, you'd be content to be a Podest hog roast - and if they decided to improve the recipe by torturing, raping and then skinning you alive [just to increase the adrenaline, you understand] and decide to dig out your pituitary gland while you are alive [it just gives me a better buzz if it's really fresh], you're OK with that?
And if eating baby cows [veal] is just fine and dandy, then why not eating baby humans - or toddlers?
The line between right and wrong - indeed the idea itself - is just a human concept, and arbitrarily drawn.
Methinks, thou doest protest too much!
▼ CosmicChrist
You are correct there is an arbitrary line. Not sure why you think I would be ok with cannibalism though. Youre getting too excited.
For what its worth, I wish slow painful death on all the elitest assholes involved with all this sick shit. Not sure why you think I'm on their side...
▼ Silverlining
Protesting too much about bacon/vegan. I hadn't considered whether you were with "us" or against us.
▼ CosmicChrist
Seems like you missed alot of consideration in-between your huge leaps in logic.
▼ Silverlining
All too easily done!
▼ rwb
I read your remarks in another thread about Crowley, so I've got your worldview. I don't like it, and I oppose it. The best quality a human can possess is empathy for their fellow man, and then for creatures. A person well imbued with empathy needs virtually nothing else to be an asset to the world. While the majority of religions collide in one way or another, the fundamental tenet is the same. Suffering is temporary, because it is within the purview of the Creator to change nature, and religious texts indicate a definite timeline where nature will be changed. In the meantime, it is incumbent upon those who wish to partake in the new nature to strive toward an ideal of least suffering, however impractical that may be.
▼ CosmicChrist
So you got my world view from that? Whats my view then?
The " best quality" you claim for humans was held in abundance by Crowely, as evidenced by his work. He promoted love and unity. He spoke out for the rights of woman and children in early 1900's. He helped even those he disliked.
I dont worship the guy, or even agree with everything he says, but I have at least read most of his books and ideas, and It blows my mind how misrepresented Crowley is.
▼ rwb
Correction, I've got part of your worldview.
▼ CosmicChrist
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Either way assumptions are being made.
▼ ForestTygerPeach
Don't assume to understand nature. EAT FROM THE TREE OF LIFE.
▼ CosmicChrist
Exactly! EAT from the tree of LIFE.
Now were getting somewhere.
▼ ForestTygerPeach
Shut up EquineLuvr.
▼ Takeitslow
Have noticed the comparison. These people are treating kids and to some extent us the same way animals are treated. But to expand factory farming is a system implemented by the ruling class. It's inhumane and we all know it, this is why cameras aren't allowed on the farms.
▼ druhill007
Very interesting point
▼ dougG
But bacon is just too delicious. When is the last time you had it?
▼ carmencita
I never eat pork. If you must have pork bacon treat it as a dessert. I don't mean dip it in chocolate. Bacon is in everything now. Even Bacon ice cream. Think about it. I have cut down on meat a lot. Not there yet but working on it. All the kids nowadays are guzzling tons of beer and pork. They are trying to kill us. When we do buy meat we buy organic or without growth hormones. If you just can't cut it out, then cut it down. There are so many wonderful veggie recipes out there now. Try them.
▼ druhill007
No comment 😬
Lolll. It's crazy though cause he does have a point. To these people abusing children has been a way of life for centuries.... Same with eating animals and bacon is fucking delicious. Am I gonna stop eating bacon even though the implications of suffering are very real... Probably not (although after re-rationalizing it like this I'll consider) Are they gonna stop abusing children? Not a chance
▼ ForestTygerPeach
Fat is disgusting.
▼ ForestTygerPeach
Thank you.
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