Lonesome_Pizza

The bible strictly forbids sexual immorality, fornication, and adultery, so if a church commits these acts, then they are not following Christ.

Phenomenonanon

And most are based in the US. Also..'decided to wear a lot of blue today, on the 21st of December. For boy lovers day'

Touchdown50

That would make sense. It would justify their actions by Saying there is no god to judge my behavior

ReyaPhemhurth

I'm just a little curious what will happen if I just leave this here....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23921675

"Intelligent people may therefore have less need for religious beliefs and practices."

"A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity."

"First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style, which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs."

I welcome thoughts :)

pizzaequalspedo

Regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof, if you rape kids you're evil.

There is no getting around that.

Certainly plenty of Christians are child rapists, just like non-christians.

95% of the time, child rapists need some sort of authority over this kids they rape. That could include being rich and powerful, or it could include being a child care provider/teacher/coach, and it could also include religious authority.

ReyaPhemhurth

You got to love religious nuts and their witch hunts....

pmichel

makes sense to me. If you do not believe in a higher power why not do what you want. No moral code to live by.

Long_Knife

So by your own rationale the only reason you are not molesting kids is because you think you'll go to heaven when you die?

Spiritual_War

A true follower in Christ, relies on God for their moral authority, because God is Holy and wiser than humans.

Long_Knife

So if god told you to kill your child you would?

Spiritual_War

God wouldn't tell me to do that. God commands us to not kill, but instead He commands us to love one another.

Long_Knife

God told Abraham to kill his son.

Spiritual_War

God didn't tell Abraham to kill his son, God told Abraham to offer his son Issac as a burnt offering, which is a direct foreshadowing of how God would sacrifice His Son Jesus for our sins. Old Testament is the Law of Moses, New Testament is Grace through Jesus Christ.

Long_Knife

I'm pretty sure sacrificing him as a burnt offering would kill him. Even though it was only a test god did tell him to do it. Doesn't matter if it's old testament or not. Christians can do all the mental ju jitsu they want to picking and choosing which parts they want to follow but that doesn't change what is written.

Jesus said this about the old testament:

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

Spiritual_War

Here's a prophecy of Jesus Christ before He became flesh and how Jesus was the only sacrifice to satisfy God. Jesus fulfilled what the prophet Isaiah prophesied Isaiah 53 1-12 1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.

  3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
        A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
        And like one from whom men hide their face
        He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

  4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
        And our sorrows He carried;
        Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
        Smitten of God, and afflicted.

  5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
        He was crushed for our iniquities;
        The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
        And by His scourging we are healed.

  6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
        Each of us has turned to his own way;
        But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
        To fall on Him.

  7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
        Yet He did not open His mouth;
        Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
        And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
        So He did not open His mouth.

  8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
        And as for His generation, who considered
        That He was cut off out of the land of the living
        For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?

  9 His grave was assigned with wicked men,
        Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
        Because He had done no violence,
        Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

  10 But the LORD was pleased
        To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
        If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
        He will see His offspring,
        He will prolong His days,
        And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

  11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
        He will see it and be satisfied;
        By His knowledge the Righteous One,
        My Servant, will justify the many,
        As He will bear their iniquities.

  12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
        And He will divide the booty with the strong;
        Because He poured out Himself to death,
        And was numbered with the transgressors;
        Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
        And interceded for the transgressors.

Prophecy of Jesus blessing all nations of the earth, because Abraham obeyed The Voice of God, Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jesus fulfilled the Law by living a sinless life and dying on the cross for our sins and he fulfilled the prophets by making true what the prophets prophesied by becoming the perfect sacrifice. John 19:30 - When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

We are not saved by the works of the law, but we are saved through grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

If we still lived under the law of moses, then we will still be sacrificing animals, thank God Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 53 and Genesis 22:18

ReyaPhemhurth

Your statement is completely illogical. You don' have to be religious to follow or have a moral code. I'm an atheist and definitely have a moral code. If anything, at least as an atheist we follow a moral code because it's just the right thing to do and not as a means to an end because some imaginary friend is judging us so we don't go to hell.

One site doesn't make any true point at showing such a correlation. There are SO MANY religious sects that have pedos. So, if you actually do want to split hairs and talk about the 'survey', take into account ALL RELIGION. It doesn't say anything about Muslims, or followers of Hinduism. The majority of the world is made up of religious people of some form of faith, versus atheists or agnostics who are the minority in comparison regarding actual numbers. Therefore, there is more likely an ability to be a pedo and be religious than it is to assume atheists are pedos. If you know anything about determining the accuracy of statistics and polls, you would know about probability samples, which this does not take from. So, a survey regarding some people that have visited a site and opted to answer questions does not make for an accurate sampling to determine the conclusion that the OP arrived to within their title.

So, good for you for staying closed minded and in a bubble. Would you like a cookie for your troubles?

equineluvr

That's a closed survey pool -- ONLY website visitors -- so is NOT scientific.

Kacey

When a kid is raped by a priest, pastor or other church official the crime is compounded. Their minds are betrayed along with their bodies. In the case of Catholic priests, they tell their flock they hold the entrance to heaven or hell in their hands. Then they do to a child something a child is told is a sin. It is IMO a double betrayal. International Boy Lovers is a public face to pedophilia. No doubt religious pedophiles are much more hidden and would not fill out a survey. I see no evidence that religion deters pedophiles and in many cases gives them better access to victims.a Often exposing them is hard because the flock refuses to believe the words of a child over a respected leader and thus they are facilitators.
It is worth noting that announced religious affiliation does not mean that one is truly religious. If one judges by actions rather than words no pedophiles are religious, but that applies to all who do not do unto others as they would have them done to themselves in other category of behaviors.

Lonesome_Pizza

Catholics are not Christian, a Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, therefore if any so called Christian goes against Jesus teachings, then they're not following Jesus. The "No true Scotsman fallacy" doesn't apply to theologies, because theologies adhere to doctrines to identify the real from fake Christians.

rwb

Excellent response, one I might have written almost word for word.

meowski

Not counting Muslims... because they don't even consider it pedophilia. It's part of their religion.

Kacey

Do you say that because of the age when girls are allowed to marry or for some other reason. If because of the age of marriage you might want to be aware that by that standard pedophila is legally allowed in some states in the US http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/child-marriage-chart-reveals-girls-can-still-get-married-at-12-in-some-parts-of-the-us-as-lawmakers-a6921246.html

meowski

9 is a bit younger than US child marraiges, which are rare (mostly pregnant teenagers) and iirc they need a judge's consent or something.
Also child rape is basically accepted in Islam. Look up "dancing boys." It's not a coincidence that Muslim migrants keep raping little kids everywhere.

ReyaPhemhurth

Good post. Religion is one of the main downfalls of human race. Deflect Christianity by putting attention on the Muslims. When in reality they all have closed-minded and small-minded doctrines.

Damnpasswords

That's not how statistics work. Do you think the clergy makes up the majority of Christians?

Kacey

Its not just the clergy involved in child rape within churches. Youth group leaders, church elders, christian school teachers etc have been involved. Perhaps more importantly, the congregations often facilitate the activities of clergy and other church leaders by disbelieving children and refusing to believe anything bad about the leaders. Parents admonish their kids to not say bad things about the priest etc. These "upright" church leaders often get away with things much longer because of their status and they get more free access to the kids because they are deemed beyond reproach.

Spiritual_War

The Bible strictly forbids sexual immorality, fornication, and adultery. So any person who commits these acts are not following Jesus Christ and therefore not a Christian.

Kristina_Gilliam

Wrong. 883 people took the survey.

394 Atheist

489 Theist

Lonesome_Pizza

Different theologies, support different doctrines, so it will intellectually dishonest to group all theists in 1 group.

Spiritual_War

You can't group theists all together, since different theologies support different doctrines, but atheists have no doctrine to set a standard.

ReyaPhemhurth

Finally...a post that makes sense. I have searched for you everywhere!

8754506?

No satanist box? I'll assume that's all of the 'other' and most of the other options.

Cigarette5mokingman

What does this have to do with anything? We're not all Christians here if that's what you think.

crashing_this_thread

Ah, but you see, atheists doesn't have a book that says it is wrong so nothing is keeping them from doing it./s

Psychopaths rape children. And psychopaths come from all religions and ethnicities.

Cigarette5mokingman

So youre telling me because there's not an athiest sanctioned book that says its wrong to be a pedo, atheist everywhere are raping kids into a frenzy? Sell that to someone with a lower intelligence level, cause Im not buying it. And I can only hope most people find that to be a very ignorant state of understanding.

crashing_this_thread

/s means it's sarcasm.

Yes, it's idiotic to actually think like that.

Cigarette5mokingman

I see. Sorry. I was ignorant to the sarcasm. I hate when people think just because someone isn't religuous, immediately means they're an amoral monster.

norobotono

All the athiests I know don't need a fictional book to tell them what is right or wrong. They figured that out by themselves.

I wonder why 'thou shall not rape a child' was not one of the 10 commandments? Most of those seem more concerned about property.

ReyaPhemhurth

My thoughts EXACTLY. Imaginary friends and fairy tales are for children who don't know any better.

norobotono

And those who want a convenient scapegoat for the things they do.

ReyaPhemhurth

Again, exactly. They change the facts to fit their imaginary stories, instead of changing their stories to fit the facts. They let their narrative lead them to 'evidence' versus letting actual scientific evidence lead them to a real, true narrative.

norobotono

It is funny that there are laws all over protecting religions but what about a law protecting people FROM religions? Religion should be something you choose in later life, not something you are forced to endure because all the generations before did or because you are to scared to leave (or would be killed by some if you did).

There is a simple natural law to live by that needs no god to follow. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. It applies to virtually every scenario (although the sick and twisted pedos would find some way to justify what they do still).

ReyaPhemhurth

Exactly. Imagine if everyone in the world could just follow 'The Golden Rule'. As unashamed as I am to be an atheist, it's hilarious that, because atheism is technically a form of minority, we get judged so much by followers of religious doctrine and yet we're seen as the evil 'judgement bringers'.

norobotono

Because those with a religion are usually the first to point fingers and blame anyone else rather than look in their own backyard for the problems of the world.

ReyaPhemhurth

Exactly. One of the many reasons it's hard to celebrate with family this Sunday who believe in an imaginary holiday about an imaginary friend. The Easter Bunny and his eggs are blasphemous....but talking snakes and storing two of every animal on a wooden boat to avoid terrible flooding is fine.

crashing_this_thread

Thou shall not have other gods than me. Thou shall not use my name in vain. Don't you dare read about other gods, or I'll get super jelly, alright? Oh, and don't steal and all that jazz.

Rape? Whats rape? Oh, sex without consent. Well, how are people going to have sex then!? Jeez, all these super sensitive progressives. Back in my days we ate children for breakfast. Good times.

norobotono

Now why would THE ONLY ONE god care about other gods? Isn't there ONLY ONE god? So where did these other gods come from?

You are right about the jealousy. What a pathetic human trait that ONLY ONE god has eh?

Damnpasswords

I'd object, but they obviously didn't survey many Muslims

Cigarette5mokingman

I also used to work in the public opinion polling/market research field for nearly 3 years (specifically political in nature) and I can say that polls are an absolute joke.

Cold_Guinea_Pig

Muslims even have a word for young boys they can shag 'officially': Bacha Bazi. Plus before OP gets his x-tian knickers in a twist may I remind him/her that the catholic [christian] church is one of the top winners in this inane contest? And after all the religious folks have been counted, yes you may probably get the odd athesist paedo as well. But don't spread crap here.

Cigarette5mokingman

If I could up vote this more than once I would.

nomorepepperoni

No religion doesn't necessarily = atheist.

That said, I can see a garden variety religious type being a little less inclined to fill out such a survey.

equineluvr

Exactly. "None" could be AGNOSTIC.

nomorepepperoni

Or even nonreligious but theist or deist. They may not necessarily feel they qualify as "other".

ThorTheWonderful

The very fact there are enough to warrant such a survey is extremely disturbing, and the numbers shown are even more disturbing. This is why kids are being groomed in schools through sex-ed and other means including but not limited to publications in school libraries.

GuannaRue

This is why kids are being groomed in schools through sex-ed and other means including but not limited to publications in school libraries.

I am literally a school librarian and I'm currently compiling a list of such publications in school libraries.

ThorTheWonderful

We need more like you! I recently watched a video interview of teachers knowingly and willfully disguising going behind parents backs to work sexualization into math and stuff. And their curriculum is pure pedophilia grooming and not a word of "don't touch me there" or anything of the sort to actually help kids.

Ohsoedgy

Can you name any publications you've got on that list? I never thought the school library was anything but wholesome......I guess I've got some learnin' to do

Damnpasswords

Does that require a master's as other librarian gigs do, or is it just a path of least resistance thing?

ThorTheWonderful

All educators now days have to have a masters or at least a bachelors. Educated stupidity with no real world experience, the perfect source for learning.. NOT !!

crashing_this_thread

Proper sex ed is fucking healthy and they should learn what sexual abuse is too so they'll be more likely to come forward with it.

ThorTheWonderful

They should learn that from home, AND thats not what they are learning at school!

Damnpasswords

"Proper sex Ed" Administered by agents of a government that allows parents to give their boys puberty blockers that give them feminine curves, but also stunts their penises to the point that they can't be used for MTF surgery or meaningful intercourse.

crashing_this_thread

Yeah, the US is fucked up. Sex ed works regardless.

ReyaPhemhurth

But you'd rather have it your way. If you yourself are against it, it must be wrong. Thus EVERYONE needs to follow your opinions. I'm not saying I agree with giving children hormones at all...but again that is my personal opinion. If I ever have children...I won't do it. But then again....I'm against religion as a whole and will not teach my children fairy tales. At the same time, I respect everyone's right to believe or not believe what they want so I won't hold a grudge against those that have differing opinions.

Bottom line: separation of church and state because YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY.

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