@jstrotha0975 : Sorry, this is another unsourced discussion post which belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever . Removing per Rule 4. If you want to repost, please link to some examples of what you are talking about. Every comment thread has a permalink that easily enables you to do so. Thanks.

Using your analogy of a tree, I think Pedogate would be the trunk and Pizzagate a branch -- both part of the same diseased tree.

Pizzagate focus's on the local satanic pedophilia sacrifice happening within the USA. Pedogate is the world wide phenomenon.

I would say Pizzagate is a subset of Pedogate and IMO it's only really a useful term in referring specifically to the information surrounding Alefantis, the Podesta bros, Comet, Terrasol, and Besta, Comet/Alefantis related Instagram accounts, and the other information that came out specifically in the beginning of the scandal. "Pizzagate" is the name of a specific scandal (the Comet, Besta, Terrasol, Alefantis, Podesta, etc., affair) over the discovery of information that exposed the existence of the global, occult pedophocracy, torture, sex, mind control, death cult. "Pedogate" is the name of a the scandal surrounding the discovery of the global, occult pedophocracy, torture, sex, mind control, death cult in general.

If you've taken even 10 minutes of your life to do a little digging you'd realize immediately that there's something absolutely rotten to the core happening over at CPP, and JA is a major player, and i don't refute this point one bit. But herein lies the problem, when a normie (whether it be by word of mouth or social media) is confronted with the term 'pizzagate', and decides to pull their head out of their ass for five nano seconds to look a little further, they're instantly assaulted with a barrage of shill terms and disinfo, such as 'fake news', 'conspiracy theory' and 'debunked'. And with the attention span of a goldfish, that normie continues his/her life safe in the knowledge that this whole investigation is a crazy conspiracy theory, cooked up by alt-right extremists, and goes back to watching Kim Kardashian videos and updating their Snapchat. I'm not saying abandon the CPP, JA pizzagate connection, there's something huge there which could possibly unravel a big part of this whole story. All I'm saying is that by continuing to use and promote the pizzagate moniker, we're actually playing straight into (((their))) hands by using a term that (((they))) fabricated for the sole purpose of discrediting and delegitimizing the hard work of investigators and researchers intent on exposing the truth. I think, with the right strategy we could even use the 'pizzagate' term against (((them))), much like how the term 'fake news' was outed as a massive red herring and has now become a kind of running joke. Pizzagate could be thrown back in their face, while simultaneously propelling the investigation forward and help wake more normies. Admittedly, I don't know exactly what that strategy is. This is probably nothing new to anyone on here, but I've put together a basic side by side comparison of two search terms demonstrate how the term 'pizzagate' is still being effectively used by TPTB to push us out on the fringe and label us all conspiracy nuts. This is guerrilla warfare, and as such we need to be able to adapt to keep out in front of this thing so we don't end up gagged into the dark recesses of the Internet.

The word Pedo will always be ignored by normies. Same with the phrase Human Trafficking. Too technical. Need something more catchy and pop culture. Pizzagate is close but not hitting the mark. Satanic Panic from the 80's is almost there.

Pizzagate is a good name now that we see how sexualized pizza has become, clothing, music, etc. and is a recognized code word for child sex. When a little girl is clothed by her parents in a shirt that says pizza slut...well what can I say. As an old fashioned grandparent, I'm shocked and at a loss for words.

I think they should be treated separately if only from a law enforcement perspective. They are 2 sides of the same coin obviously but we can't exercise jurisdiction over a pedo ring in Australia or Norway. I feel powerless enough as it is. And there will be crossover, such as the McCann case wherein the E-fits match 2 Americans and Mathew Freud of London has a branch office in NYC and connections to the Podesta/Clinton crowd. But if we don't start limiting our scope somehow, someway we will not accomplish anything beyond enlightening ourselves. We have had 6 months of awesome enlightenment, now what? That the circle was closing in on Podesta and Alefantis is what inspired so many to jump on board in the first place. I don't know how a separation could be accomplished but I'm all for it.

exactly. How do they normalize calling a baby a Hotard?

Pizzagate is a good name because it is euphemistic and has a meme-esq quality. Actual pedophiles can talk openly about pedophilia in code and not be judged but anyone. People who speaks openly about pedophilia to prevent it are looked at as potentially creepy or unhinged because the topic is so far out of normal conversation. Using the euphemism "pizza" is useful in that sense. Otherwise the taboo nature of the topic gets used against people who just want to help children. Also the name Pizzagate is so weird it caught on and has staying power. Overall, I think it is the better name.

Pedogate is the more accurate name. Its main use is just to try to correct the people who think the movement is just about Alefantis and Comet Pizza. By emphasizing that it is about the global pedophilia problem that straw man gets threatened.

Yeah. I've been backing off of my earlier thought that it should be called Pedogate and ditch the Pizzagate moniker. I think JA's and his crew's attempts to silence investigators and cover up the smoke is because there's a fire in Buck's basement. So Pizzagate shouldn't be pushed aside as an investigation. What you said is true-- a major breakthrough in either will break everything wide open. Prepare for the Shill Attack.

It would help to organize the information a little better.

As far as needing those classifications when approaching the general public/law enforcement... I don't really see a need to differentiate if they compliment each other.