seekingpeace

Is it possible that someone has compromising photographs of her and threatened to take her daughter if she or her husband didn't comply?

Who could be blackmailing them and why?

Drnoway

The fucking brothers?

Piscina

Interesting that the authorities were telling police which avenues of investigation they would be allowed to pursue and which were forbidden to pursue. If that doesn't sound like knowing who the culprits are and covering for them with a sham investigation, I don't know what does.

ZunarJ5

Cadaver/blood 'evidence' can be planted. Nothing in this case should be taken at face value.

SimonRothschild1

Cloning.

samhara

So they claim.

samhara

I sure the dogs care about the money. That a total LOL.

They "solve the crimes" when their handlers want them to.

MattHelm

Mom is a Liar she should have been arrested 10 years ago along with Dad read this it exposes them:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html

Candygram_for_Mongo

Plural accusation, just like the police sketch of potential abductors.

srayzie

The elderly lady could tell the color of shirt that the woman who was trying to hide from her in the dark? Makes no sense.

sound_of_silence

indeed... and like... plum is relatively specific in shade... but to distinguish it in the dark whilst it's trying to be hid... major stretch.

the comment on the emotional atmosphere was also strange... why would that really need to be reinforced... especially 10 years after the fact.

1NationUnderAGroove

I did read a comment on here the other day, that her body may have been taken to a local church and stored in a coffin with a dead woman and then cremated.. Never heard that theory before...

DerivaUK

I have now watched this documentary and, as also stated in the OP Daily Mail article, one point screams out to me, which is that a senior experienced police officer was warned not to take on the case on the grounds that the investigation would be focussed absolutely and exclusively upon the abduction theory and that the parents were deemed already ruled out as potential suspects. The officer's suspicion of this is quite obvious and he clearly states that had he taken it on he would have definitely insisted upon re-examining everything and everyone from the very beginning, which would include a comparison of the original and new statements of the parents and the Tapas friends to see where they did or didn't stack up. Instead, all follow up investigations were DIRECTED and investigating officers INSTRUCTED (and thus RESTRICTED imo) as to what they may or may not investigate. This begs the obvious question : why? This still tells me that there is much they are not telling us and there is far more to this than has come out, so far.

sound_of_silence

and isn't it that textbook scenario....

wealthy pillar of society + involved in a scandal = cover it up.

DerivaUK

Given the rapid installation of Clarence Mitchell as only one of the 'big guns' to have appeared in the immediate aftermath of her disappearance I suspect there are more reasons than Gerry McCann simply being "wealthy" or a "pillar of the community". In his investigation film, Richie Hall mentions that Interpol were on the scene within minutes and before the Portuguese Police had even arrived. Strange. https://youtu.be/_yYwFnglhtw

equineluvr

"Grieving" parents don't criticize their "dead" child. Yet Kate and Gerry did in their first Australian interview. Both they and the Tapas 7 complain that Maddy was a "screamer."

Kate had to have someone with her and couldn't be left alone with her own children!! It appears that she either couldn't handle the kids by herself or was afraid of what she may do to them.

Why didn't they allow hair sampling of the twins until it was too late to detect anything? Let's not forget that Kate is an anesthesiologist.

48 Questions Kate McCann refused to answer -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html

Peter Hyatt, the "statement analysis" (forensic linguistics) expert, has found an EMBEDDED CONFESSION IN McCANN'S STATEMENTS.

CONCLUSIONS: Maddie is dead. / Her parents hid her body rather than disposing of it. / Extreme sleepiness (drugging?) and a fall were likely components of her death. / Sexual abuse is very likely. /

Embedded Confession in McCann's Statements -

Begin at about 30 minutes.

Embedded Confession] ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo) )

Those two sniffer dogs ONLY hit on HUMAN blood and body fluids.

https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017/01/sniffer-dogs-in-mccann-apartment.html

THOSE DOGS ARE “STARS” IN THE LE WORLD. They have a 100% accuracy rate. They are so good, in fact, that they are rented out to PDs all over the world (including the FBI). In a year those dogs generate more income than the Police Chief’s annual salary.

Life insurance payout / Establish a "fund" to "look" for the child (with zero accountability; after all, you're a "grieving parent") / Charge for media interviews / Hobknob with mucketymucks / Write a book -- or TWO (guaranteed bestseller[s]) /

Being a parent "victim" is quite the lucrative deal.

Jem777

I keep reading about the cadaver dog hits and want to clarify something for those who do not know how these dogs work.

Cadaver dogs, drug dogs, etc. are excellent. Their sense of smell and alerts on items trained can be amazing. But they are only as good as their handlers. If the cops or trainers are bad or corrupt they can create a fake alert. The dogs are trained on signals as well so you would have to grill the handler on his training on the dogs training, etc.

Also if a crime was being covered up and someone wanted a dog to hit on the scent of blood for example. They can easily place a small quantity of blood somewhere then call for the dog.

Not saying that happened just wanted to educate on how the dog works and can be tampered with if there are people lying.

1NationUnderAGroove

Most Police dog handlers also have 'trigger' movements with there hands and noises they make to the dog to get false hits..

Jem777

Yes that is exactly right. The dog is only as moral as the cop.

samhara

Exactly there's a report, but nothing final. These folks cheat.

DNA labs are also faked.

The FBI faked an entire field of forensic science. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/04/fbi_s_flawed_forensics_expert_testimony_hair_analysis_bite_marks_fingerprints.html

HomeAmerica Falsified evidence could overturn 20k drug convictions in Mass.

https://www.rt.com/usa/385224-massachusetts-drug-tampering-cases/

If they didn't have control of the labs and the evidence, they might be blocked from framing people anymore.

pbvrocks

Consider..1. We know that folks in "the club" abuse/torture/murder children 2. They also appear to "trade" children 3. If being blackmailed or manipulated a child could be used as co-lateral 4. These folks also appear to share children 5. Has blood found by dogs been proved to be Madelines? This may be another weird elitist scenario playing out according to their beliefs and religion. If the McCanns has displeased the powers that be, would this not be the course of action? If the McCanns had made some deal, could not the price of the deal be their daughter? We are beginning to get a good feel for the MO of these folks and this fits...as does Jon Benet...

hopeforall

This is what I thought could be possible. Perhaps the Mccans had joined some sort of group that that take children for abuse or as sacrifices. I've read and heard things about these satanic cults that the rich and powerful join. Perhaps they didn't know fully what they were getting themselves in to but had their fears. Perhaps they realised the real price that night. I had wondered if she was taken by one of these groups as insurance or as part of some sort of ritual involving child abuse.

sound_of_silence

https://archive.fo/wgD8z

Kate and Gerry were two months into the search for their daughter when they received the letter inviting them for the meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.

this was probably the "follow-up" meeting after Maddie was purchased and the abduction was staged..

abcdefg222

Jenny Murat (mentioned in the article) is Robert Murats mom.

sound_of_silence

i'm very skeptical because this case is so shady all the way around...

her parents' actions are reminiscent of the fake Sandy Hook crowd... dude is even smiling in one pic..

the pics look staged...

why does the mother conveniently have Maddie's toy in both pics on different days...

why is the pic of Maddie herself one where she's wearing six pounds of eyeliner...

who says they've taken her..... instead of where is she?

why does dad cry on friend's shoulder instead of console wife...?

personally, my guess is Maddie was sold... podesta(s) brokered deal... abduction was staged... parents paid.

HillBoulder

I think it's pretty clear the parents were willing participants at this point in time. Never ceases to amaze me that people like this not only exist but prosper.

sound_of_silence

same here.. no matter what i try it's been impossible to make sense of the case without arriving at that conclusion...

i mean, who leaves the kids alone to go out and party they are barely old enough to sufficiently manage for themselves... let alone in a foreign environment... and what parent leaves to chance all the emergencies that could arise with unsupervised wee ones..?

fire.... choking.... slip and fall concussion... real parents don't do that - they don't leave their children's lives hanging in uncertainty amid potentially dangerous circumstances especially in a strange environment.... yet all actions conveniently timed so an abduction occurs..? so astronomically unlikely.

anotherdream

Shit looks crazy staged, can't trust it myself

sound_of_silence

plus... it's been 10 years now.... story is still going.... the only logical reason something would incur this much long-term media damage control is if (the narrative) it were being protected and fostered... if pizzagate had not broken, i think this investigation would have ended permanently last fall...

sugarskull

I was just thinking ,myself how many other kids in this last decade came up missing and or dead. Not that she isn't important but its interesting how she seems cherry picked as so much more important than the many others.

damnittohell

So now she's a teenager wherever she is... So crazy. If she's even alive that is.

Birdzeyeview

get real ...she is dead and the parents know where her rermains are

ZunarJ5

I don't think she is dead. Her staged abduction was very well planned, as was the fake 'evidence' to suggest Madeleine is dead, and thus create the unsolvable crime... unless of course Madeleine has been found, and it's not yet public knowledge.

pizzaequalspedo

The natural reaction would be to scream "where's Maddie?" over and over.

UnicornsAndSparkles

Yes! Or screaming just there name over and over so they could follow your voice. Not one bit of this adds up. Nor does the fact the media has mentioned this more than once every year for 10 years.

Torkimadi

Ffs they killed her and hid the body. Are there still people who think she's missing and the parents ars innocent?

samhara

No, I think the question is open. They may have sold her.

The parents are definitely crisis actors; likely members of a "Satan" club - as are likely the Sandy Hookers.

The Propaganda of the "Maddy Tabloid Hysteria" has its own Raison d'Etre. It's mind - control / distraction. If you shun that bullshit, then you would know.

hopeforall

I think it's likely with the way they reacted. I think they could have joined some sort of satanic cult, the sort the rich and powerful join. I'm not sure they knew entirety what they were in for with these evil people though. I think it's possible their fears were only fully realised when Maddie had gone.

samhara

I feel fairly positive they are Crisis Actors; for whatever reason.

Birdzeyeview

just drug addled swingers, more likely

Torkimadi

I've never read any tabloids about it. The police reports are evidence enough. The changing stories are evidence enough. The family friend who learned about the pedophilia is evidence enough. She was likely used and accidentally died, then it was covered up with the assistance of the UK government: that's suspicious in itself.

samhara

Right, the dead friend..That is telling.

If they are sado - pedos, they may or may not kill the kinder right away?

siegnagel

Sadly some idiots actually don't blame the McCanns for leaving their twin babies and a three year old in an unlocked apartment building. That's criminal enough. If anyone cares to investigate the Gaspar statement you might find a pedo angle. But Kate killed her, I feel sorry for the morons who are trying to link the Podestas to this. I live in the UK and have closely followed this case since 2007.

Birdzeyeview

the morons here would link anything to the Podestas, as they are all completely fucked in the head. ...the portugese police were right about the Mccanns from the start

MattHelm

Portugal is a pedophile paradise the entire government is corrupt as can be there are hundreds of senior government officials there who have sex with kids it's like Belgium in this regard. The truth will never be known because it will implicate high-level officials in Portugal and in England where we know pedophile rings are very common in high society circles.

Torkimadi

There was 24/7 baby sitting available and the time the mccanns were out the sitting was a free service, yet they declined. I'm not going to say what people should or shouldn't do as parents, except: sexually abusing and covering up the death of ones child is above and beyond bad parenting. They're bad parents for the pedophila and baby killing, that's what we should be looking at.

turitelle

That is the first thing about this I could never figure out. You just don't go out and leave little kids alone. Never. They move fast. You can't predict what kids will do, you have to protect them. You don't know if they'll wake up scared, wander off... a friend's kid used to sleepwalk, she'd actually open the front door in her sleep and come knocking at our door. They had to put a latch on the door high up so she couldn't open it. Leaving little kids alone behind an unlocked door is insane.

A normal parent would either have hired a babysitter for a couple of hours or ordered takeout. Yet the fact they left the kids alone behind an unlocked door was all glossed over and excused. It makes no sense.

samhara

"I live in the UK and have closely followed this case since 2007."

Rather than speaking for a clear vision of it; the fact you followed the tabloids so assiduously speaks against it.

siegnagel

Followed tabloids? Are you fucking stupid? I saw David Icke live in a shitty working men's club in 1995... did you? Don't come to me with your newfag BS.

samhara

Whatever, Icke is less than 100% trustworthy. They locked me out of Icke Forum for no reason. Never had one complaint , never hardly went there.

The mods there block and censor certain opinions.

You would only know that if they did it to you.

I witnessed it. They censored others in my research group.

And seeing how you are going-on here certainly you'd want to throw me off to shut up my opinion, rather than logically explain to me why I am wrong, if you could.

siegnagel

This is before he even had a forum or a website. So no, not just 'um whatever'. I know all about the forum. Previous 13k poster here blocked by Sean adl who now runs 'yournewswire'.

hopeforall

Icke has been right about allot though. He's been saying for 20 odd years that Saville was a pedophile and a necrophiliac and after his death the evidence of his abuse emerged. One of the creepiest things that came out was that people knew he liked to hang around the morgues. A woman said she was warned if a pink haired man was lurking in the corridors (meaning Saville) she should immediately turn back. And now there's more coming out about these BBC guys, including Clement Freud. Freud who had an apartment a few miles from where the Mccans were staying, who according to an anonymous FBI leaker may have known and been friends with the Podestas, and may have even let them stay at the villa during the time of Madeline's disappearance. It wouldn't surprise me. Sigmund Freud was very famous and these rich, famous and powerful families remain connected with others of the same stature, so there's probably a chance that the Podestas and the Freud families are connected. It's also interesting to note that a PR company founded in 1985 by Clement Freud's son Matthew Freud was running the Mccans campaign. Matthew is the great-grandson of Sigmund Freud and has been known to hold parties with numerous well-known people on the guest lists including Hollywood celebrities and other high-profile Americans.

Not saying the Mccans didn't have a part in something though. I just think they didn't realise what they were getting themselves in for. They were fools.

damnittohell

I always say the same thing. "He looks exactly fucking like him."

Exactly what the college kids said in the movie about the boston bombers. "He looks exactly fucking like him."

It's so crazy to me that the sketches come out so close.

pizzaequalspedo

Don't pretend you know what happened to her.

Torkimadi

It's quite obvious and the Portuguese police knew, until the highest U.K. Government agents took over the case "for some reason". Never mind the cadaver dog and blood dog, right? I mean, only the FBI uses them, they can't possibly be right.

They were protected by the uk government because they're part of a pedo ring, they killed her.

paulf

Except we know what DIDN'T happen and that's that someone abducted her. We know it didn't happen because the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, and because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record.

What does that leave?

samhara

If you don't trust the dogs it leaves that she could still be alive.

The fact the friends and family lied? How does that prove she wasn't abducted? It doesn't.

paulf

If you don't trust the dogs, then you're throwing out my whole argument. My statement was "the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, AND because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record."

It's all the things taken together that have the full force, not the one thing by itself. And I have lots of other evidence I haven't even mentioned yet.

samhara

Exactly. I lack faith in all these creeps, including the police and their dogs. And the Tabloids - though sometimes they come up with truth when other outlets do not;

(mostly because they can get away with it as many lack confidence in their reporting. so it doesn't matter if they tell the truth sometimes)

If there is more data I defer to you, who has spent much more time than I.

There's 2 parts to your argument here. A and B

A, they were all lying

This doesn't convince me she was killed

B. The dogs.

The dogs could also be another lie.

Does your whole argument hinge on the dog evidence? Is there more as you say? I'm open minded.

paulf

Here is a good place to start.

samhara

I don't click on links. So you can post the full url , if you will.

samhara

Taking a cursory look at "Best Evidence" there; and it's less than convincing.

"would have prompted an outpouring of grief and concern for their child. It would have 10 prompted reactions such as: Who hired the car before us?, or - Is anyone else known to have died in our apartment or in the hire car? "

The less than shocked reaction could easily be because they know she is alive.

As I see it, someone has a lot of interest in making people believe she is dead.. That .pdf you sent seems to have that object. The points are well - taken, in and of themselves, and I am open - minded. But why such a strong conviction when there should be open - mindness, especially after the Clinton emails surfaced?

The parents are obviously Crisis Actors.. It's a fable made on TV / Tabloids and Fake News , as are so many others.

Parents will always believe a child is alive if a dead body is missing.. that's known by detectives.

The fact they have failed to announce they believe she is dead, speaks more to their authenticity as parents than otherwise.

I find the "dog" story less than plausible. It's smells like human - interest Propaganda.. "The Hero Dog" 100% .

I may check again the "best evidence" as summarized in that .pdf. but so far it's weak.

" To those of us trained to look at form as well as content, the counter-stories also read like a script, or like a transparent effort at mind control"

samhara

thank you.

derram

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"Holidaymakers describing the night Madeleine McCann disappeared today revealed how they saw her distraught mother screaming 'the f***ing b******s have taken her'."

'The Met would later fall out with the McCanns too, the report revealed. '

'Another resident has also revealed key information on the night three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from her bed in the resort in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. '

'The news comes after new information about the investigation was revealed this week by a Home Office report into the case. ', "The report shows that Gerry and Kate McCann's relationship with Portuguese police after they closed the investigation into her disappearance."

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samhara

Seems like people are starting to squawk? Sometimes tabloids get it right?