Petri_Krohn

George Webb thinks he was taken to both hospitals; first to MedStar and then to Howard University Hospital.

Others on the web speculate, that Seth Rich is not actually dead at all.

new4now

http://blog.dcwitness.org/dnc-employee-fatally-shoot-in-bloomingdale/

This article has been updated to correct an error. The article originally said Rich was taken to Howard University, which is inaccurate"

new4now

http://blog.dcwitness.org/dnc-employee-fatally-shoot-in-bloomingdale/

"This article has been updated to correct an error

tx2truth

Maybe we don't know specific facts about which hospital he was taken to ......because he's not dead. False flag......witness protection.

2impendingdoom

I had been thinking that assange had been stashed, but now he is back in London/Ecuador. So if SR had to go into hiding why faux kill him? Or you think the shooting was legit and he was stolen from the hospital post assassination attempt?

tx2truth

Yes and yes. There are possibilities that it was a set-up. Sometimes the spooks would actually shot each othe ( not more than a superficial hit)....if they became ' compromised '. I know,,,,I'm medical....I treated them &e-vac'd them out. This is beginning to look the same. Patterns are really revealing.

rooting4redpillers

Nothing out there to prove you wrong.

tx2truth

Let me run this by you: my therory... sethrich Eric braverman, are being stashed somewhere by the doj....so the Clinton Crime Syndicate can't touch them. They are using george webb's vid series as a big diversion. I spent time in military during Ronnie's admin. & worked with those spooks (iran/contra) to know how they roll. George webb has made enough remarks, about "speaking russian" ,etc. to make me believe he is a plant. I love his series....but it's mostly fiction. Most of these actors are Jewish. .....somethings not kosher in Denmark. I know that sounds a bit far fetched , but opinions are like a-holes.....we all have them.

cantsleepawink

I think he's a plant too.

tx2truth

Thank you for that affirmation. I know SETH is alive......his parents should have buried him in accordance with hebrew law. ....48hrs after his death. Just watch their interview. Do they look like grieving parents? ????? HE'S ALIVE!!!! WATCH REALLY GRACEFUL VID.....AND HER LAST COMMENTS. Nuff said .

rooting4redpillers

Agree 100%

privatepizza

Update from 4Chan from a couple of hours ago --- no-one there has any clue about which hospital SR was taken to. Nada. Ziltch. Nowt.

Thread - http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/127271179#p127276140

rooting4redpillers

Appreciate that, @Silverlining !

Silverlining

How about phoning accounts and say you think you owe them money. Rich SC deceased. Is there any money outstanding? Yes, we had a Seth Rich - bills paid. Or no record.

Phone Directory MedStar

Main Number (to reach the MedStar Corporate office only) 877-772-6505 Accounts Payable 410-933-2330 General Billing 410-933-2424 MedStar Visiting Nurse Association (home care) 800-862-2166

MedStar Health/Corporate Offices 410-772-6500

Ambulatory Surgery Centers
MedStar Surgery Center 202-223-9040

https://www.medstarhealth.org/mhs/contact-us/#q= {}

Howard University Hospital contact

Departments

•Physician Referral Service: 202-595-3200 •Hispanic and Multicultural Affairs: 202-865-5284 •Patient Information: 202-865-1501 •Patient Accounts: 202-865-3500 •Cashier's Office: 202-865-6667 •International Health Care: 202-865-4427 •Main Switchboard-Operator: 202-865-6100

http://huhealthcare.com/healthcare/hospital/contact-us

equineluvr

They will ask for an account number and other identifying information.

They aren't giving that info over the phone until you've cleared their security questions. Just like a bank.

privatepizza

Genius

Silverlining

https://twitter.com/tafrank?lang=en Vanity Fair "Hillary kills pandas" author T A FRANK

Folks, not sure how this became a thing, but I was using the panda as a humorous analogy. It's coincidence.

The Law of Kek?

Thinkfaest

Do you want to know how bad we are screwed and surrounded by psychopaths?

Because these blatant crimes go by unchecked and the only "investigations" done refuse to pursue OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CHARGES and they refuse to go after the little guys spinning lies and hiding facts about their butt buddies.

This is all a circus. Real investigations with serious investigators get to the bottom of things.

THIS is a soap opera.

Vic138

That report by the 4th year attending Dr must have been a limited hangout. The story was thrown out there to get us to find out how he really died and why he was guarded by the cops. In reality, this may have all been done to hide the fact he was never at that hospital in the first place.

privatepizza

That possibility crossed my mind too.

Silverlining

So Killary orders a hit and the guy's not dead! There has to be a lot of scrambling to finish the deed.

Was Sava the original attending physician? Or did he take over the case? Or did some SEIU janitor or nurse evil put the proverbial pillow over his head?

And if he was operating a computer connection from the disused hospital, it was presumably before he was shot - or not.

Pizzalawyer

DC Witness is an online news site dedicated exclusively to reporting on each and every homicide within city limits. So I guess when it says it mistakenly reported that Seth was taken to Howard University Hospital, we can infer that he was taken to Medstar WHC. Still it's weird that DC Witness failed to report just what hospital he was taken to. Why the secrecy? I wonder if DC Witness is staying on top of this story. That is one of their missions.

privatepizza

Appears someone from /pol contacted DC Witness to ask about this and apparently they had 'assumed' the hospital name, and then changed their blog post so as not spread disinfo.

Info here - http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/127271179#p127276140

autism_speaks

and his cellphone pinged at an abandoned hospital in d.c... what a coincidence..

privatepizza

Do we know that for sure?

Silverlining

Do we know ANYTHING for sure?

privatepizza

Nope ! C'mon in here Silver, we need you !! >>>>> https://voat.co/v/SethRich/1892248

rooting4redpillers

THANKS for all the work here so far. Don't like to brag , but I'm already pretty late for a family event. I am one lucky person in that respect, and every minute I spend here makes me appreciate it like never before. I just can't go off without saying something, so until later... please know, I'm not carelessly eating bon-bons in front of the TV and ignoring your work.

privatepizza

Believe you lol ; ) Enjoy your time and thanks to you too.

rooting4redpillers

I did! :) More holiday coming up. So much to do here, I haven't had a chance to look at @carmencita , @Silverlining links yet, but I WILL get to it asap. Also your excellent v/SethRich post .

bunklunk

The only lead I've seen surrounding the hospital seth was taken to was one user's speculation on 4chan, but I'll post what I remember about it here because it seemed worth checking into.

One of the people who were sent the email about how Tamara Luzzatto about having her children playing in the pool is a certain " [email protected] " who works for Medstar Hospital (as "Corporate AVP, Pharmacy Services, MedStar Health").

I found voat posts about this, but the 4chan poster alleged that her husband works there too

I also saw that poster say that her husband was a doctor for Medstar, however I'm having trouble proving this connection now (or even finding out who her husband is). I think this is worth looking into though, she's got connections to the podesta's through her ties to Tamara Luzzatto and she happens to work at the "common sense" option for what hospital he went to.

privatepizza

Linking to this thread over at /sethrich from @flyingcuttlefish --- GW is requesting that everyone email requesting the SR autopsy report -

https://voat.co/v/SethRich/1891738

rooting4redpillers

Good. The more high-profile attention/questions/requests, the better. It's disturbing, how the media's - STOP asking questions/drop the investigation, for the sake of the family - narrative has become routine, and how agenda-driven people are buying into it.

flyingcuttlefish

I sent mine in with CC to self ... let's see what they answer ....

privatepizza

So true...

lude

Make calls, BECOME the media

rooting4redpillers

Here's the v/pizzagate thread:

NEW LEAD: Seth Rich Skyped From This Abandoned DC General Hospital - On Night Of Death (pizzagate) | submitted 1.5 days ago by pig_lifter

The lead comes from a post on r/The_Donald , and there's a link to a YouTube video of that abandoned hospital tour .

Also @Whome posted a link to an archived 4chan thread in the comments.

Silverlining

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/126975262#p126978624

What did Vanity Fair know about in Jan 16 about Hillary "Killing a Panda"? Is this a link to the DNC data NGP VAN data bug/breach in Dec 15?

Vanity Fair article Hillary Clinton cannot be stopped Why her victory over Bernie Sanders is inevitable by TA Frank Jan 24 2016

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/why-hillary-clinton-win-democratic-nomination http://archive.is/DAe5c

For the second time in eight years, Hillary Clinton sees the Democratic nomination being pawed by a charming interloper, like a priceless vase grabbed by a panda. She’d prefer to shoot the panda, but that could mean breaking the vase, and onlookers would object. To make matters worse, Bernie Sanders, who leads Clinton in both New Hampshire and Iowa, has produced a new video ad, “America,” a wordless feel-hope montage that is awfully good, good enough that I can’t help feeling both moved by it and resentful that it works on me. Maybe shoot the panda.

reasonedandinformed

Question: Is this beginning to point to his being put into witness protection? Just a thought as it would be consistent with some of what we are seeing.

2impendingdoom

If he were put in witness protection, then they would have found a lackey (some random crack addicit, for ezample) to pin the crime on. Leaving it unsolved has caused too much commotion.

reasonedandinformed

Probably right, but the whole thing seems to implicate federal protection...of the perpetrators at a minimum.

Silverlining

And there was the suggestion two John Does turned up dead in a van the next day(?) - the killers(?) Did DC Witness cover those killings?

2impendingdoom

that came from 4chan. Personally I don't think they are related. it involves a gold astro van which does not say assassin getaway vehicle to me. I think that the Stolen FBI Weapons is also an unrelated story. BUT, I really know nothing.

privatepizza

It's possible

2impendingdoom

I don't think we know his actual cause of death either.

2impendingdoom

Isn't a Death Certificate a public record? IT should be online by now!

11-11

sorry - no. they are not put online until they are about ~100 yrs old and the policy varies with every state / jurisdiction.

Even after they reach the age limit, not all states / counties have a way to put them online.

I've only seen a few states do it and they are only old ones - like I said - about 100yrs.
See ancestry.com and other genealogical websites for more information

rooting4redpillers

Searching "Where is Seth Rich death certificate" brings results with headlines using words like murder, strange, wikileaks, politicizing, evidence, family ... ... but not one single result with the words death certificate.

privatepizza

Any one connected to the cousin on social media, could ask for the death cert? Don't hold out much hope, but if he's invested in solving the case.... there could be a possibility ?

privatepizza

Any suggestions / leads / pointers on what we can do to further this, @rooting4redpillers ?

rooting4redpillers

I've searched the web for hours, without finding a single lead. Only LOTS of references to THE hospital. And a remarkable lack of curiosity . Few people are asking these questions, and those that are don't seem adamant about finding answers. Hoping to find some help and new ideas here. I'll bring everything else I can think of.

tx2truth

No camera data, no hospital data, no post mortem data, check to see if his insurance is paying the hospital bill......? Not dead!!

GumShoe

And there's this one... where they actually had to retract the name of the hospital.... deemed inaccurate.

http://blog.dcwitness.org/dnc-employee-fatally-shoot-in-bloomingdale/

(edit: forgot to add link)

Silverlining

*This article has been updated to correct an error. The article originally said Rich was taken to Howard University Hospital, which was inaccurate.

So MedStar - or disused hospital to be suicided. Or disused hospital to be questioned and then to MedStar to be suicided. Were there any timings on the ip address? What is the link to the ip address info?

Silverlining

I see no timings here. Or date.

IP Location United States United States Washington Dc General Hospital

Whois Server whois.arin.net

IP Address 160.35.80.1

NetRange: 160.35.0.0 - 160.35.255.255

CIDR: 160.35.0.0/16

NetName: DCGENERAL

NetHandle: NET-160-35-0-0-1

Parent: NET160 (NET-160-0-0-0-0)

NetType: Direct Assignment

OriginAS:

Organization: DC General Hospital (DGH)

RegDate: 1992-04-21

Updated: 1992-04-21

Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-160-35-0-0-1

OrgName: DC General Hospital

OrgId: DGH

Address: 19TH STREET AND MASSACHUSETTS AVE., SE

City: Washington

StateProv: DC

PostalCode: 20003

Country: US

RegDate: 1992-04-21

Updated: 2011-09-24

Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/DGH

OrgAbuseHandle: CKN23-ARIN

OrgAbuseName: No, Contact Known

OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-555-1234

OrgAbuseEmail:

OrgAbuseRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/CKN23-ARIN

OrgTechHandle: CKN23-ARIN

OrgTechName: No, Contact Known

OrgTechPhone: +1-800-555-1234

OrgTechEmail:

OrgTechRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/CKN23-ARIN

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6d6ejx/4chan_uncovers_another_lead_ip_leads_to_dc/

2impendingdoom

by retracting Howard Hospital as the wrong one, this kind of leaves Washington Hospital Center as the correct one by default.

I bet a PR person at Howard saw the story and requested a retraction since they didn't have the patient.

rooting4redpillers

Thanks for that link. Isn't it interesting...

A retraction - without a correction.

On an article - posted ONE day after the murder, that garnered ZERO comments or questions.

On a website - self-defined as: D.C. Witness was created to track every homicide in the District of Columbia and to provide eager and young journalists, and those interested in crime and law enforcement, a chance to cover untold stories and to hone the skills required to do it.

Silverlining

@pizzalawyer - this immediate thread answers your question at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1887738/9274671

privatepizza

Brilliant synopsis, excellent post. I noticed this too... always 'the hospital'. Super-strange. I don't know what we can do however... dig for a hospital when there's no mention of it? What can we do here?

carmencita

Here are a few articles that mention a hospital and anon: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/05/18/surgeon-at-seth-richs-hospital-says-his-wounds-were-not-fatal/ http://hiddenamericans.com/politics/breaking-wikileaks-emails-ties-podesta-brothers-doctor-oversaw-seth-rich-died/ http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html Now, listen here is another think I came up on. The third link had a picture in the little video of the Flagler Market where those cameras were that filmed only the feet of the "attackers". I am going to also give a link here of a pic I found when just typing in Flagler Market and you can see those very cameras. Here. https://www.bing.com/search?q=Flagler+Market++++dc&form=PRUSEN&pc=U346&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=78b35121d13c4e4a8cb957853b6f4e00&sp=-1&pq=flagler+market+dc&sc=1-17&qs=n&sk=&cvid=78b35121d13c4e4a8cb957853b6f4e00 The link is long for there are 5 pics included you will see the one with the cameras. I think this is very important. Also the third link has an article and a video of a really good reporter and he talked to Mary Rich on his call phone. Hope you look at these. Thanks.

privatepizza

Fantastic, @carmincita ! Going through them now, thanks so much for helping with this. I'll http://www.archive.is them too ; )

carmencita

:-) Still working on this. How can we not?

privatepizza

Flat out lol... We have to!

Silverlining

Aargh! Forgot to archive! I should probably have look at them too, now! I particularly liked the "Make calls, BECOME the media" by @lude

I feel tempted to just call the two hospitals and ask if they dealt with Seth Rich. Each conversation is a potential lead. They might even leak to v/pizzagate after you put the phone down if you mention the interest over here and how to follow it. And if half a dozen of us all phone asking the same question, telephonists are bored, telephonists are curious and people love to gossip.

What's the worst that can happen? [Yeah! I know - suicided]. Or they might say, "I can't tell you anything, but Dr Sava was the attending, do you want to put me through?

Definitely a chance to pop a red pill!

equineluvr

They won't tell you. It would be illegal (HIPAA violation) for them to do so.

Silverlining

@carmencita forgot to ping you in the above post. @YingYanMom - haven't seen you on this thread yet - you're normally way ahead of me! talking of whom - @newworldahead - how's trix? - all the best.

privatepizza

Really appreciate your help and mind on this Silver. It couldn't harm to ask, although isn't that client-confidential info?

Silverlining

I would think it public information whether a hospital treated someone or not.

You could also try to contact Jennifer Swift, [email protected] to contact [DNC employee fatally shot in Bloomingdale By] Madison Dudley and see if they remember why they corrected their article to "NOT" Howard University Hospital without stating the correct hospital.

equineluvr

Nope. For a hospital to reveal whether or not they treated someone is a violation of federal law, specifically HIPAA.

rooting4redpillers

I don't think that's necessarily entirely true (simply regarding whether they're there or not) although, specific medical info is protected. I looked into this a little and found some info, but a lawyer would surely understand these things in greater depth. For instance, what defines a loved one?

From: FAQ on Access to Patient Information by Friends and Family | ACLU 2017

Q: Can I find out if my loved one is a patient at a particular hospital?

A: Generally, yes. Under the HIPAA Privacy Rule, if you ask for a loved one by name, a hospital or medical facility can usually tell you if he or she is a patient at its facility.[iii] - (iii refers to 45 CFR 164.510, see below)

There are instances, however, when a hospital or medical facility will not be able to tell you if your loved one is a patient at its facility, such as when your loved one instructs the hospital not to disclose any information about him or her, or when the hospital maintains a policy of not revealing any patient information, unless otherwise directed by the patient. (Such a policy is not required under the Privacy Rule, but has been adopted by some hospitals.)


From: Cornell Law School, Legal Information Institute web site: 45 CFR 164.510 - Uses and disclosures requiring an opportunity for the individual to agree or to object.

A covered entity may use or disclose protected health information, provided that the individual is informed in advance of the use or disclosure and has the opportunity to agree to or prohibit or restrict the use or disclosure, in accordance with the applicable requirements of this section. The covered entity may orally inform the individual of and obtain the individual's oral agreement or objection to a use or disclosure permitted by this section.

(a) Standard: Use and disclosure for facility directories -

(1) Permitted uses and disclosure. Except when an objection is expressed in accordance with paragraphs (a)(2) or (3) of this section, a covered health care provider may:

(i) Use the following protected health information to maintain a directory of individuals in its facility:

(A) The individual's name;

(B) The individual's location in the covered health care provider's facility;

(C) The individual's condition described in general terms that does not communicate specific medical information about the individual; and

(D) The individual's religious affiliation; and

(ii) Use or disclose for directory purposes such information:

(A) To members of the clergy; or

(B) Except for religious affiliation, to other persons who ask for the individual by name.

privatepizza

Awesome x 2

carmencita

Are you saying you did those over for me? So sorry, everyone. My talents lie in research, I am pretty dumb when it comes to links. I hope I did not confuse everyone. Thanks you.

2impendingdoom

your links are meaty

carmencita

If that means they are good, thank you. If that is tech talk for too long, a thousand pardons! One thing that has been on my mind, is my researching St. Louis. I searched day and night on organ harvesting.One thing I learned (as many others have too) is that they will not ever lose one single dollar when they can make one. I am hating to say this, but if at all possible I think they would have tried to steal Seth's organs. I don't even have the heart to ask those parents a question like that. I wonder if on the DC or Autopsy Report it would state his weight at time of death. Oh this is hard.

2impendingdoom

not tech talk, just appreciation. I see your efforts and remain inspired. I agree that Seth's organs were very likely harvested. He was probably a donor. Many, many years ago my brother told me not to be a donor because in a car accident they won't try to save you and I thought he was kidding

carmencita

Wow. I never thought of that aspect. I heard that some states are making it mandatory with the responsibility of the people to opt out. What if you are not aware that law has passed? This must stop. We are being robbed of our innards and that is so very sick. No way will I ever volunteer any parts knowing what they have been up to.

2impendingdoom

Last time I had to go to the DMV for a photo update they asked me if I wanted to be a donor. It happened that Cheney was in the news for a new heart, I asked the woman, can you make sure my heart doesn't go to Dick? and she said no, so I said no. She laughed and said good choice.

carmencita

Wow. What a story. I would be glad to donate my heart or anything to a poor person. The rich think they are entitled. They have spent years trying to brainwash people into believing we are not "entitled" to our "entitlements". Well that is exactly what we are entitled to. Our money. We are entitled to our money. They are not entitled to our organs so they can living longer and steal more organs and OUR money. Nope.

privatepizza

Keep doing what you do ; ) Btw a double return space makes spaces between the lines (return & return again). We learn as we go, always : )

carmencita

:-)

DerivaUK

Who was the doctor who said they were instructed not to "round on the VIP who came in last night". Anyway we can shout out to him/her?

MysticMa

He was an Anon on 4chan. He goes to more than 1 hosp as I guess he's an Intern. He said he rotates from hosp to Hosp.

equineluvr

Many physicians are on staff at more than one hospital. That doesn't make them a resident.

The poster IDed him/herself as a surgical resident. (Nobody uses "intern" anymore.)

Silverlining

He's the one who said that Seth should have survived and that DC police [?] seal off the ward. Alleged to be a Dr Eowyn. Hunt the threads and it's all there. www.searchvoat.co

WhyAserverWasBuilt

It is just stunning.

11-11

UPVOTE

i completely agree

the more we see, the more I realize we are living in a plastic bubble society where information is fluid - lost and found on a whim. power is bought and sold like a jar of peanut butter... ? really??

we've known a long time that the DC cops are dirty but how far up can this possibly go.

PQhonest

This is why I keep posting that the parents need to produce Seth's death certificate. It would reveal a lot of these basic details. If the parents CARE about finding Seth's killers, they should CARE enough to produce a simple document. The parents either already have the death certificate or can request it.

DerivaUK

Isn't the death cert part of the public record now? In the UK anyone can purchase a copy.

ZunarJ5

DerivaUK - I hope people there investigate the Ariane Grande alleged bombing victims death certificate issue. I don't think anyone will find any.

rooting4redpillers

According to D.C Vital Records Division - Section: Death Certificates : The Vital Records Division has death certificates dating back to August 1874. Death records become public 50 years after the date of death. Death certificates are only available to mother, father, sister, brother, spouses named on the death certificate, children, informants and legal representatives (proof of relationship is required). All others requesting certified copies of death certificates, must demonstrate direct and tangible interest.

11-11

no - not in the usa. the records are kept pretty tight. rules are set at the county and state levels (Counties may have some say in the matter - I'm not sure - but each state has it's own rules).

unless of course, if a forgery has to be produced like in the case of the obama birth certificate. then, it follows a different procedure altogether.

privatepizza

I agree... however it appears that they're under the control of the black hand of Soros / Bauman / DNC. Would there be any public record of the death cert ? Or any Med / Public Record Anons willing to leak maybe ????

2impendingdoom

ok I just looked up the procedure. the DC is only public after 50 years unless there is a relationship or other legal interest. there is a fee involved and you need a bunch of id and documentation proving your relationship or legal interest. Seems to me that a huge reward for information necessary to resolve a crime is sufficient legal interest, and since it is a crime, maybe a FOIA would be another way to get it.

privatepizza

Good to know this. Any idea how long a FOIA takes to come through?

I think we're counting on a MedAnon / PublicRecordAnon to help us here... seems we're at a road block. I don't know what else we can try.

2impendingdoom

a FIOA is supposed to be responded to within a set timeframe but if the request is denied it would require a lawsuit. Maybe Judicial Watch is requesting this, didn't someone post recently that JW issued a subpoena for Seth Rich information? Perhaps the easiest thing to do is ask Aaron Rich for a copy via the GoFund me page.

LostandFound

To date its just that one vid from JW. Where did he die is a pretty basic question in a murder case im sure we will get info soon.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/jw-files-foia-request-police-fbi-seth-rich-murder/

GumShoe

carmencita

Wow. What a great idea. We have such smart people on here. We are all working together to bring this to an end. I have a really good feeling about all our work. I think we will hit pay dirt soon. If not the end results, I feel we will arrive at something important this weekend, I can feel it in my bones.

privatepizza

That's a really good idea.

nitro169

Podesta has it, but I don't think he will share.

WhyAserverWasBuilt

Well I would guess they know their son was bumped off. And I also believe they know it'll happen to them, as they have been surrounded via spokes people they don't even agree with.

privatepizza

Yes, they must be in an extremely frightening position.