BlinkAndUMissIt

I think that even though this doesn't have to do with the DNC emails, it does prove that the Clinton camp was capable of RIGGING voter information in her favor- that's why Bernie lost out. So yea, Russia wasn't responsible in the primaries, or ever.

The DNC email hack may or may not have changed the mindset of voters of the overall election - but that doesn't discount the fact that RUSSIA WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF RIGGED VOTER INFORMATION IN THE PRIMARIES! CLINTON WAS ALREADY DOING THAT TO WIN THE NOMINATION. How is that legal?

rickman

So Russians didn't hack voter info to help Trump win? People mocking us with 'but her emails' have been proven wrong about Russian WITHIN the emails, right?

If thats how it is, does anyone care whether the Russians hacked the emails or not?

the_sharpest_knife

Old news but all the internal talk clearly shows they knew it was being leaked. This means they knew Russia had nothing to do with it.

p0ssumsAlt

AMAZING FIND, FUCKING TOP NOTCH RESEARCH, well except this whole this has already been adjudicated, so to say. This was all about access to voter information:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659

“The Sanders campaign never ‘stole’ any voter file data; the Sanders campaign never ‘exported’ any unauthorized voter file data; and the Sanders campaign certainly never had access to the Clinton campaign’s ‘strategic road map,’ the Sanders campaign said.

And NONE of this has anything to do with the e-mails that were published on wiki-leaks.

SecondAmendment

I couldn't disagree with you more @p0ssumAlt , because a link to a "Politico" article is worthless. Where is the solid proof that this was about the theft of ONLY voter information? You have no proof. The two emails to which I linked include the following phrases (in the words of Dacey and Palmieri):

-- "users were capable of accessing some limited, yet extremely valuable information belonging to other campaigns"

-- "the glitch opened access"

-- "THE STAFFER THEY FIRED WASN'T EVEN THE PERSON INVOLVED IN ACCESSING THE MOST DATA."

Palmieri refers to it as "the data breach."

Neither Palmieri nor Dacey were specific about how much data (and what type) was stolen by the Bernie Bros. Nobody should believe anything that Politico says, because Politico is a mouthpiece for the very people trying to obfuscate, hide the truth, and confuse the low-information citizenry.

p0ssum

I couldn't disagree with you more

Of course, but you really can't prove me wrong, now can you? Feel free, show me your bestest google-fu.

You have no proof.

And yet YOU do. Amazing, this whole thing went through a court of law, and EVERYONE on both sides missed this simple little detail, but YOU, YOU found it and cracked the whole case. Well done sherlock, well fucking done.

Silverlining

p0ssum

Now THAT is quality proof.

YingYangMom

This is it. This is the smoking gun! This proves that the Russia hack story is bogus and that Seth Rich was murdered for being the leaker. They knew this since December 19, 2015.

p0ssumsAlt

No, it's not. This was all about voter information, nothing to do with emails, and it all came out during the campaign:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659

Good thing you autists are so good with your research.

YingYangMom

Whoever said I was an autist? You need to check your own as well.

Commoner

wow!!! I had not heard of this. The MSM is just pure evil for not covering any of this.

YingYangMom

Remember when CNN said it was illegal for people to read the emails from wikileaks? Lol, it just came back to me now. Biggest fail ever!

Pizzalawyer

Amy Dacey served as dIrector of Government Relations at SEIU from January 2008 until sometime in 2010 when she hired on with Emily's List, then on to the D.N.C. Regardless of any female rivalries within the D.N.C. the female dominated Committee was determined that a woman get elected as president.

I read somewhere that Seth was a super nice person and had friends on both sides of the political aisle. Seth had helped Josh Yuretsky secure his position with the Bernie campaign which was identical to his job . Presumably both worked together when there was no conflict of interest and presumably discussed the dirty tricks of the Hillary primary campaign and the D.N.C. I wonder if he has anything to say about Seth's role if any in leaking to Wikileaks and Seth's subsequent death.

SecondAmendment

Thanks, @pizzalawyer . I have heard Seth Rich was a nice guy, too. It's so bloody telling that none of his colleagues at the DNC wants his murder solved. I am not a criminal and I'm a bit of a simpleton. But heck, even I would at least pretend to care if I were part of the DNC. Sheesh, if for no other reason than to try to appear to be a normal human with a soul.

janet58

You would think they would have used his murder as an example for why they want stricter gun control laws. But no, barely a word about it.

AssFaceSandwich2

Hillary, unfortunately, did just that. And pretty much only that. And a bike rack.

SecondAmendment

There is another significant email, taken from the Podesta Emails, in which **Jennifer Palmieri adds more detail about the Bernie Bros' hack of DNC data. Palmieri claims that four Bernie guys were involved in the hack and "THE STAFFER THEY FIRED WASN'T EVEN THE PERSON INVOLVED IN ACCESSING THE MOST DATA."

Palmieri then poses four questions to Sanders, and states, in the end, "THOSE ARE ALL FACTS. NO AMOUNT OF MISDIRECTION CHANGES THOSE FACTS. [emphasis added]

Again, NO MENTION OF RUSSIA. NO MENTION OF PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. Full text follows below (source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21086): :)


SECOND EMAIL - 2015-12-20 - ( https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21086): :) The following day, Ms. Fisher sent an additional email (forwarding the Amy Dacey report discussed above) to Jennifer Palmieri and others, and cc'd John Podesta on it.

The full text of that email follows:

For 7:20 Call: JDP MTP Memo & Attachments

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected] , [email protected] CC: [email protected] Date: 2015-12-20 02:00 Subject: For 7:20 Call: JDP MTP Memo & Attachments

Hi all-

I've attached JDP's MTP memo for your review in advance of tomorrow's 7:20 am prep call. It contains background, logistics, and run of show. Also attached:

V. ATTACHMENTS: • Other Sunday Shows (FYI) [in main memo] • Three Data Breach HFA Statements [in main memo] • Friends & Allies TPs, Pre-Debate • Friends & Allies TPs, Post-Debate [TK] • HRC Morning Communications Memo— December 19th • NH Political Briefing

I also sent him blog posts from Jennifer and from Amy Dacey for additional background on the data breach. Pasted below.

The call will take place at 7:20 am tomorrow. Dial in: 1 (718) 839-6957 // no pin

Thank you! Milia


Four Questions Bernie Sanders Needs to Answer -- By Jennifer Palmieri https://twitter.com/JmPalmieri

We’re glad that the Sanders campaign and DNC reached an agreement last night and that the Sanders campaign has agreed to an independent audit of the data breach.

This saga - and having our campaign’s hard work violated by the Sanders’ campaign - has been disturbing to our campaign and the volunteers who worked hard to build a strong organization. But it has also been a distraction from the issues that the American people care about. We think those issues should be the focus of the debate tonight: issues like raising wages, access to healthcare, and keeping America safe. However, given news that Senator Sanders and his team apparently want to make this topic the centerpiece of their debate strategy <link to politico>, here are some questions that should be on the table.

1: Why'd your campaign say you didn't store anything? <link to Washington Post> <link to sidekick>

The Sanders campaign was able to access (and save) 24 different lists of proprietary Clinton campaign information, as seen in their NGPVAN activity logs. Here, for example, is a Sanders staffer searching for and saving <link to Audit Sheet on Scribd>a list of voters that the Clinton campaign identified as persuadable in Iowa.

[image: Capture (1)] https://m.hrc.onl/briefing/Capture-1.png

Let’s be clear about how the VAN system works: when you look at the log, “saving” means an attempt to store the data to your own account–and there are reports that there were preliminary attempts to export the data into excel sheets. They knew what they were doing. Which brings me to my next point.

2: Why'd your campaign claim it was an accident? In an interview with Bloomberg yesterday, Tad Devine claimed this was all a “mistake.” <link to Bloomberg>

A mistake?

NGPVAN’s audit found that Sanders staffers conducted 25 targeted searches of Clinton campaign data, just like the example above. Let me reiterate what this being a “mistake” would mean. Take a look at this pull out from the audit activity logs.

[image: Capture] https://m.hrc.onl/briefing/Capture.png

For this to be a “mistake,” the Sanders campaign would have had to accidentally…

  • Searched for the voters we've identified as being unlikely to support Hillary Clinton in the South Carolina primary
  • Saved that list into their own account folder
  • Searched for the voters we've identified as supporters who are very likely to turn out to vote in the South Carolina primary
  • Saved that list into their own account folder
  • Searched for the voters we've identified as supporters who are unlikely to turn out to vote in the South Carolina primary

This is just a sample. They pulled 21 more lists. That seems hardly accidental to me.

3: Why did the Sanders campaign claim that only <link to Gawker> one staffer was involved <link to Gawker> in accessing Clinton campaign data?

Contrary to their claims, there were four <link to ABC> staffers involved. In fact, from the audit logs provided by NGPVAN, THE STAFFER THEY FIRED WASN'T EVEN THE PERSON INVOLVED IN ACCESSING THE MOST DATA [emphasis added]

4. Why did your campaign claim that the "one staffer" was junior level? http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/12/19/npr-bernie-sanders-access-restored *

In initial reports, the Sanders campaign claimed that the “single staffer” involved in accessing Clinton campaign data was at the junior level. Tad Devine even went so far as to say that he’d never met the guy.

Josh Uretsky, the staffer who was fired, was the campaign’s most senior data strategist. <link to Josh Utesky's LinkedIn page>

From his Linkedin page: [image: Capture (2)] https://m.hrc.onl/briefing/Capture-2.png

Our data director is involved in our strategic, day-to-day decision making. That’s a pretty broad interpretation of junior.

In conclusion...

To most voters, this will all seem pretty arcane. They care about raising wages for their family. They care about security for their family. They care about who’s going to keep them safe. They certainly don’t spend much time thinking about campaign data theft.

With that said, if Senator Sanders intends to make his campaign’s theft of our data a rallying point, he should have to answer these questions. His campaign took advantage of a security flaw to access and retain proprietary Clinton campaign information. We don’t know if they still have it. THOSE ARE ALL FACTS. NO AMOUNT OF MISDIRECTION CHANGES THOSE FACTS. [emphasis added]

We look forward to tonight’s debate.

---- THE AMY DACEY REPORT WAS FORWARDED AS PART OF THIS EMAIL SENT ON DECEMBER 20, 2015 ----

V____Z

This is a pretty convoluted story, here is what we learned from the press:

TL;DR:

The system had already been breached in October

and when the Sanders campaign alerted the DNC, nothing was done. The DNC hired this company to run the software for both campaigns. So if info was accessed by the Sanders side, it was done by a parties hired by the organization proven to have rigged the election against him. It's conceivable that it was done to harm him.

I know for certain that the Clinton campaign accessed Sanders data. I never give out my cell number, but i did give it to the Sanders campaign to receive text alerts. Once he dropped out of the race, i started getting texts and calls from Hillary campaign, though i absolutely never gave it to them, or the Democratic party.


From an article from someone who knows the software and the story well: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/12/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data-breach-president-debate/ n an interview with MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki, Uretsky justified the actions of Sanders staff this way:

Kornacki: “What we’re able to see from these documents is that people from your campaign — for over forty minutes – were able to access . . . were able to look at, search, and make copies of . . . Clinton supporter lists, from her side of the wall. What is the justification for doing that?”

Uretsky: “. . . So I guess what I want to say is that we knew that what we were doing was trackable and we wanted to create a clear record of the problem before reporting it so we could make sure we weren’t crying wolf . . . so that the extent of the exposure of our data, to the other political entities . . . We had to assume that our data was equally exposed and updated reports prove . . . show that it was. We wanted to document and understand the scope of the problem so that we could report it accurately.”

Similarly, Uretsky told CNN:

In retrospect, I got a little panicky because our data was totally exposed, too. We had to have an assessment, and understand of how broad the exposure was and I had to document it so that I could try to calm down and think about what actually happened so that I could figure out how to protect our stuff.


http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-voter-data-hillary-clinton-2015-12

[Sanders'] Campaign manager Jeff Weaver threatened to sue the Democratic National Committee after it revoked Sanders' access to its database of voters. The DNC did that after Sanders' team improperly accessed data compiled by the campaign of top rival Hillary Clinton.

"This is taking our campaign hostage," Weaver said in a press conference in Washington, a day before the next Democratic presidential debate.

Later in the day, the campaign made good on that threat: The Sanders campaign filed a lawsuit in federal court to regain access to the voter data. In the suit, the Sanders campaign alleged that the suspension was costing the campaign at least $600,000 per day. The lawsuit also alleges that the DNC did not provide the Sanders campaign with notice or opportunity consistent with an earlier agreement between the campaigns and the committee.

A summary of computer logs showed that four aides to Sanders' campaign accessed voter data compiled by Clinton's campaign, according to The Associated Press. Some of the aides reportedly saved the information. The Clinton campaign said its data was breached by the Sanders campaign in "25 searches by four different accounts," and that the data was saved into the Sanders campaign's account.

"This breach is totally unacceptable and may have been a violation of the law," Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook said in a conference call with reporters Friday evening.

..."

The Sanders campaign said it had fired a staffer at center of the breach incident — data director Josh Uretsky.

Weaver blamed a vendor hired by the committee — political-data company NGP VAN — for what he alleged was continued "dangerous incompetence." He said he was confident that months ago, some of the Sanders campaign's own data was lost to another campaign.

"First, as I pointed out earlier, this is not the first time that the vendor hired by the DNC … has allowed serious failures to occur. On more than one occasion they have dropped the firewall between the data of competing Democratic campaigns . This is dangerous incompetence. It was our campaign months ago that alerted the DNC to the fact that the campaign data was being made available to other campaigns ," he said.

He added: "Once again, the sensitive and important data was compromise because the DNC and its vendor failed to protect it. We have invested enormous campaign resources in acquiring the rights to use this proprietary data . But the DNC, in an inappropriate overreaction, has denied us access to our very own data. This is data collected by hundreds of thousands of volunteers across America."

Uretsky told CNN Friday that he was only trying to "understand how badly the Sanders campaign's data was exposed" and not attempting to take any of the Clinton campaign's data.

SecondAmendment

Great information, @V____Z , and I was not aware of any of it. Thank you very much!

V____Z

Anytime! Thank you too!

Jem777

They knew at that point it was not a hack. All of them knew. They knew not only was Russia never involved it was an inside job and Amy Dacey even suspended activity to make damn sure they figured out who had access to the data. They knew it was exported which means removed to either encryption via (KimDotCom) or on seperate files such as thumbdrives passed off to Craig Murray at American University to Wikileaks or both.

The FBI knew it that is why they never examined the DNC servers. Seth Rich was unmasked.

Silverlining

At that stage, they probably thought they had lost voter info [sorry haven't read it all]

paulf

Correct and well spotted. The guy who accessed the data from Sanders' side was one Josh Uretsky who was originally recommended to Bernie by none other than Seth Rich .

Spez: I cannot find the original source for this claim - it was a TV interview with Bernie Sanders. Anyone?

PeaceFuture

can you please provide a source for this? I have read that it was Seth's supervisor that had referred him.

paulf

I can't find it now dammit - it was a link to a TV interview from a 4chan thread. I will amend my comment.

SecondAmendment

Great find, @This_Ruined_Pizza . You're right, it's not any different from what came out in the campaign. But I never saw it discussed in the Podesta emails by the likes of Davey and Palmieri until today. In addition, my memory is bad. I had forgotten about the details cuz so much has transpired since the Democrats' primary. Coupled with the left's intentional confusion with Russia, I just thought we would all get a jolt from seeing the words straight out of Dacey and Palmieri.

HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH and, oh by the way, IT WASN'T RUSSIA.

Are_we_sure

You have no idea what you are talking about.

People keep trying to set you straight and you refuse to see it. The NGP VAN story does not involved the data given to WIKILEAKS. It it no way supports your contention and your contention is flat out wrong.

p0ssumsAlt

This had absolutely ZERO to do with the emails. Nice try tho sherlock. Keep up the ... work.

YingYangMom

That's right!

This_Ruined_Pizza

Very much, YES!

heygeorge

It's not different, and this has no relation to any of the email hacks. In fact, this wasn't a 'hack'. It was a 'breach'. The door was open and members of Sanders' team walked across the divide in the database they mutually had access to.

BlinkAndUMissIt

Amy Dacey was also director of government relations at SEIU! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Dacey

Silverlining

Her card is marked - she's wearing a target on her back. @privatepizza

privatepizza

Aim Silver

anonOpenPress

archived -- TIP: Always do!

jstrotha0975

This is significant if true.

USA42

True but not significant. The NGP-VAN system is just a voter database, not an email system. It was only rouge staffers from the Bernie campaign, not a proper conspiracy. This is a nothing burger. I remember the voter info not being available shortly after Iowa.

jstrotha0975

It proves the Russian story is BS.

AssFaceSandwich2

No, this is a voter data breach by a possible plant within the Sanders campaign, whom was immediately fired. My understanding is this could have been the entry point needed to get SANDERS' voter data but was made to look like it was wrongdoing on his part. The door was open both ways, and we are asked to believe reports by DNC connected groups saying only Clintons data was accessed, even if just briefly(The Sanders campaign did immediately tell the DNC/NGP-VAN of the glitch/open firewall, btw.)

But why would Team Hillary want the data on who was supporting Sanders? Oh right, the MASSIVE unregistering campaign of 2016 that forced an untold number of Dems onto Provisional Ballots that were uncounted or challenged and thrown away in yuge numbers all through the primary. 126,000 in Brooklyn alone. I wonder what the numbers were nationwide. I saw Bernie Delegates get turned away as having just changed their affiliation to Republican or just were gone from the system. That makes no sense. I saw people that had voted Dem for 40-50 years get turned away as not eligible to vote in the primary because it wasn't an "open primary" and they were now all of a sudden registered Republicans.

Something stinks!