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nnfx

I won't delete this post for now. If you think creating a new subverse is what we need to make progress, do it. I think what would really help though, is when you wouldn't try to create as much drama as possible and try to divide the community about it, but that's only me. Feel free to take everyone with you, who is as unhappy with our decisions, as you are. I sincerely wish you the best.

Psychanaut

The "drama" is a response to something. I suggest that "something" is the problem, not my "drama".

nnfx

Didn't say there was nothing, just saying you make as much drama out of it as possible.

Psychanaut

and?

nnfx

and

I think what would really help though, is when you wouldn't try to create as much drama as possible and try to divide the community about it

Psychanaut

Unless that's exactly what people want me to do, since nothing is getting done otherwise and it's too easy to sweep under the carpet. Squeaky wheels get the grease

nnfx

I hope with your new subverse you can finally focus on creating good research posts again instead of wasting your time with nonesense/ modbashing. All this drama was completely unnecessary in my eyes and could have been prevented from both sides. I tried to defend your standpoint at first, but you managed to lose me by acting like a mad child.

Good luck with your subverse! I subscribed.

Psychanaut

I hope with your new subverse you can finally focus on creating good research posts again instead of wasting your time with nonesense/ modbashing.

And I really look forward to posting research posts again without MF deleting them. I look forward to not having an inbox of complaints about MF from other Voaters who know I'll make a "big drama" as you called it about it.

http://i.imgsafe.org/3ecd54f703.png

nnfx

I don't need any proof for some users don't like MF. lol

"Mods are shills" is nothing new and if you ask me a very promising tactic to get users to stop using voat. Guess who would benefit from that?

But just keep helping them...

Psychanaut

I'm not helping them

nnfx

Yes you are, by driving people away from this community by engaging in the good old "mods are compromised" shill tactic only because you had a dispute with one mod and couldn't handle it like an adult person.

Psychanaut

I'm moving on now. Please do not share my private messages that you and I have shared. I will respect the same thing. Thank you for your time.

nnfx

What private messages are you talking about? Not one single private message did I send or recieve to/ from you.

Psychanaut

Thanks. Too bad you didn't understand why all that happened. I'll go ahead and let you know that i never was even able to make any complaint or present any evidence. Do you know that? Wonder why? No, of course not. Mods only see the reaction "mad child" and that's the complete story for them. Not, what happened just before that. Not what another mod did to derail the process, or lie about me, or send private messages that I wasn't even aware were going to be used against me as weapons.

So yeah, you know that whole thing about submitting evidence about MF, that you were on my side about?

Quick question-what happened with that?

Any thoughts? Any idea why that didn't come about? Or do you only see "mad child" and leave it at that?

nnfx

You were allowed to present evidence, but you didn't as far as I can tell. And I defended you at the very begining, when you were criticizing the new work in progress executive summary and your first deleted posts, months ago. This was way before you now tried to file a complaint about MF. And back then already you started your childish modbashing and made it impossible for me and others to take a stand for you.

Vindicator tried to help fixing this situation too, but you soon attacked him as well. I was about to contact you and try my luck, but when I saw your then most recent posts, I changed my mind.

I wasn't on your side about submitting evidence about MF because at that point you already lost me for months. But like I said, as far as I know VSD gave you a chance to submit evidence and you didn't deliver anything of value. Also VSD told you to post to v/pizzagatemods and ping him there to make this an open discussion where you can post your evidence, but you didn't ping him and didn't provide any evidence. Instead he is on your list of shills now as well it seems. -.-

So, like said, good luck with your subverse and I hope you can focus on the more important and true things again and we all don't have to deal with this drama anymore.

Psychanaut

Right. Except that's not what happened. Thank you for proving it to me. I will save this. I'm glad you took the time to give me this text. Thank you.

nnfx

What are you even talking about? You yorself posted his request to you to give him evidence.

"Formal complaint has been noted.

While I don't particularly care about the day to day shenanigans you lot get up to this sort of thing worries me quite a bit.

I understand it's an onerous task to ask, but please feel free to bombard me with a wall of text detailing the issues.

I've seen concerns about this particular mod for a while but had no hard facts to do anything about it

Ultimately I am the formal and official channel, along with Crensch. In order to ensure this isn't some kind of weird power play stuff I want to make sure it's the real deal.

Something to do is to list clear remedies for errant behavior - the removal of a mod should be reserved for cases where the mod is clearly not engaging with the community in a manner that I can condone. And yes, it does come down to a personal judgement from me about what that constitutes.

If you approve, I will PM the mod in question directly with a warning - keeping it not specific as part of the process. Often watching the response to this is indicative of the intent of the person, depending on how this goes I will enact a formal probation where the moderator is reduced in status for a period of 30 days.

Let me know if this is the type of action you consider appropriate. My real preference is to do all this out in the open so the whole community can participate. If you want, open a new thread in the moderators subverse and ping me to start the process as a public one. If identifiable participation in this is an issue, use the anon verse to mask identities, but still ping me.

Dealing with this within the concepts of the voat community stated objectives is a bit of an experiment and I'm always happy to be told when I'm getting it wrong.

In this rare instance, replies to this message will be held as confident. This is the only case where this is true as I prefer total transparency as normal process (hence starting a thread on the mod verse.)"

And now you claim it never happened? Or what are you talking about? I don't get it.

Psychanaut

yeah, but that's not the whole story. You don't know about the other stuff that recently happened. It's all good. no need to create more drama. Thank you for thanking the time.

sensitive

@Psychanaut , this post needs to go here (see rule 4): https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods

Pizzalawyer

Would I switch? No. I can barely keep up with this forum and the Seth Rich subverse. It seems to be the same group of posters complaining about the mods. What percentage of their posts are being deleted? Surely there is some qualitative difference between the complaining posters submissions which are accepted versus those that are deleted. Can you discern any patterns? I would rather see some effort at improving the posts rather than fragmenting this investigation.

Salicaz

Lol. Good to see you kept your faggy reddit behaviour here.

"Formal complaint"........"mods protecting mods"....jesus fucking christ. .......

Psychanaut

what is "faggy reddit"?

Salicaz

Every time there is mod drama, it's faggy reddit behaviour.

Psychanaut

I don't know what that means. I'm not on reddit.

s2s

We will be their voices.

s2s

redditsuckz

This pizzgate sub is mod free;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatefree

It doesnt matter where you go they operate like a virus and will parasitically take over mod positions...

Example...pizzagateuncensored was modless for a time but once it reached around 700 subscribers one of the parasite mods from here just had to take it over;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagateuncensored

nnfx

one of the parasite mods from here

I don't see this name in our list of mods. Any proof it's one of us?

just had to take it over;

In order to censor the shit out of the subverse, right!? There are TWO removed submissions in the last 3 months, so what exactly is your problem here?

nnfx

Hmm. I have never seen this guy. He isn't a v/pizzagate mod now, but yes it seems he was one before. Anyway, does it seem to you, that he is there to censor stuff?

redditsuckz

He was censoring stuff here so yeah...the sub died after he took over so if it ever got active then he would become really active. But the point here is the control of all the top pizzagate subs have all tentacles that come from the same place...and that place is full on censorship....just like this thread was censored.

ReddittRefugee

pizzagateuncensored was modless for a time but once it reached around 700 subscribers one of the parasite mods from here just had to take it over

Hmmm, Kwijibo isn't a mod on /v/pizzagate presently. Was he/she a mode before?

kazza64

vindicator deleted my post yesterday. first i posted the dutch banker part 2 and then when the english voice over version came out i posted that and got the 2nd one deleted. they werent identical posts.

nnfx

Did you point that out to @Vindicator ? He probably didn't notice it was the first voice over version of this video and thought it's another repost of the same video that was posted dozens of times already.

kazza64

i tried to.

Pizzalawyer

Was it obvious from your headings which one was Dutch and which one was English? Obviously one of them had to go. Why didn't you voluntarily delete the first one that wasn't in English?

kazza64

why would one have to go ? i'm new to this. they are two different versions. i went to work. i came home and my post had been deleted. made no sense to me. it was a better version of the first post. it didnt even occur to me that i would have to delete the first post. i tried to talk to vindicator in the inbox he sent me and i got no reply. i sent two messages.

bb22

Sure.

MAKE IT NOW.

Psychanaut

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatenomod

Have any "banned" or "deleted" content? Put it there. I'm going to relocate my most important and best posts there and invite the best from pizzagate sub to do same.