Why won't the CIA reveal what's in its art collection? ( pizzagate )

submitted by Commoner

This is pizzagate related because many believe that money for child trafficking is being laundered through the sale of art, and the CIA itself has been linked to child trafficking. Also, the CIA has been known to use modern art as a weapon .

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/arts/cia-secret-art-collection/index.html

'During the Cold War the CIA covertly supported contemporary painters, musicians, and writers, among others, as part of the Cultural Cold War. The effect of this spy craft on the trajectory of the art world was intriguing to me. '

A follow up to the CNN 5/16 article was written in 10/16 'A Visit to the CIA’s “Secret” Abstract Art Collection'

The CIA’s abstract art collection isn’t as “secret” as a series of articles made it seem—but it’s more politically significant than it appears, and there are still unanswered questions. Here, photographs of the collection are accessible to the public for the first time.

https://hyperallergic.com/294142/a-visit-to-the-the-cias-secret-abstract-art-collection/

pbvrocks

Oh..what an excellent idea! Cannot WE THE PEOPLE demand to see OUR art collection?

Criticalthinker615

Its not the cias art collection. The cia is owned by tax payers so technically its AMERICA'S art collection. Don't let them control the narrative.

Gneo

(not related to the cia, but)

Why would Podesta and for example Peter Norton "artyvirus" often donate expansive artworks to museums and universities ?

Anyone have a suggestion what could be behind the donation of expansive art?

(beside that you can decide what will be hanging in the museum)

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I can confirm that these dots and vertical lines were extensively used on me during hypnosis. (from second link) This was in various settings, sometimes in the "hospital" while I was placed inside the ivy lined green box. This was a disassociation trick used with drugs before the inevitable sodomy. see Dr. Ross re ivy box. The drugs were sometimes different but always included the forget drug. You can't remember anything for an hour before and two after being given one of these. One causes memory loss for several years, two for many decades. I eventually got mine back in spades. It sucks.

carmencita

Yes they are used in accordance with the drugs for desired effect. I can nearly look at them so I see what a devestating effect they create.

R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd

Probably because most of it is "stolen" or "missing" pieces of art. Just to note the moon rocks disappeared from NASA (supposedly one of the most secure areas in the USA). I wonder who could pull off that heist and not get caught...

bopper

NASA probably disposed of them like the original moon footage. Yeah their security is tight, civilian has to jump through six or seven hoops.

Andy Warhol's garbage still sells high, always wondered what the big deal was, Picasso's too, don't get it. Starry Night yeah.

Carry on.

hookednosedjoooo

Hitler was right about modern art

equineluvr

That crap is "art?" They should rename it "The MK Ultra Collection."

11-11

Good comment equineluvr. That is the FIRST time I have ever upvoated you

Are you trying to get a raise from your cheap ass boss or something?

equineluvr

You need to read more of my posts, then. MAYBE, if your two working brain cells are running right, you may begin to comprehend them.

As for the insult, F U C K O F F!

ThePedoHunter

Lol....triggered much

MrPim

Here, photographs of the collection are accessible to the public for the first time.

So, its actually revealed right there? God lord you guys. Cant find something interesting? Well just make a title thats the exact opposite of the truth.

2impendingdoom

I had kind of assumed that what was pictured was only what they are choosing to show for the article, and there is a ton more of it being used to torture children in basements around the world or in Brennan's old office or maybe his bedroom...

MrPim

Im pretty sure the CIA has actual torture tech. Not some fucking paintings. All large orgs have an art collection. Go to Any corporate campus and youll see shitty overpriced art.

You PG guys make yourselves look dumb w this kind of retarded post. If you want to be taken seriously quit reaching for ludicrous straws.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

Certainly the CIA has torture tech. This is part of it.

Stare at one of those paintings for twenty minutes with your eyeballs pinned open and then tell me it didn't make what ever else was being done to you all that much worse.

MrPim

I think i saw something vaguely resembling a spiral somebody get Trump on this shit!

MrPim

If a painting does anything remotely like that you have issues far beyond a painting. Its a simple still img, its not even a movie. The CIA does not rely on paintings. Jesus you guys are retarded.

Commoner

Don't know whether they rely on paintings for torture, but they 'weaponized' modern art during the cold war.

bopper

Right. They'd weaponize anything. Binney, ex NSA chief, says the intel agencies run the govt. Surprise.

New documents show the collusion between intel and movies, zero hedge.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-05/documents-expose-how-hollywood-promotes-war-behalf-pentago-cia-nsa

carmencita

I am no expert but the 2 Center Grid works are very hypnotic. You cannot stare at them. They may be MK Ultra? Remind me of those crazy hidden messages in that wild video I think it was HLHQ or something. Anyone remember?

Commoner

I thought the same thing when I saw them. Hurts to look at them.

carmencita

YES! You are very observant. It hit me right in the face.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I can confirm that these dots and vertical lines were extensively used on me during hypnosis. This was in various settings, sometimes in the "hospital" while I was placed inside the ivy lined green box. This was a disassociation trick used with drugs before the inevitable sodomy. see Dr. Ross re ivy box. The drugs were sometimes different but always included the forget drug. You can't remember anything for an hour before and two after being given one of these. One causes memory loss for several years, two for many decades. I eventually got mine back in spades. It sucks.

carmencita

You are so courageous for telling your story. That is so sad and I hope you are on the road to recovery. You might contact Cathy O'Brien another survivor.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

Cathy through her video's and writing is my inspiration for recovery. PTSD is her self help book. My recovered memories are of many similar things to hers, unfortunately. I wish I could say more, all of it, but have a life that is working and I want to keep it that way. She is my Joan of Arch.

carmencita

I understand. Peace and May God Bless You.

2impendingdoom

some ideas:

  1. in addition to money laundering, this is a way to funnel cushy art related jobs to friends and family

  2. the art can be reproduced and resold and no one will know.

  3. the art can be super crappy or nonexistent and no one will know.

  4. the art might be intended for framing (pun, sorry!) or setting up sting operations

  5. they just fucking do whatever the fuck they want and are completely unaccountable

mudbear

Yeah thats been something i have been considering for a while, always wondered why modern art was such rubbish yet sells so high, only conclusion was that it was laundering

RweSure

This actually makes no sense at all. There is a genuine art market and it's been around for what...150 years or more?

Artprice.com has a database of 30 million individual purchases. The vast majority of these are resales.

If the only explanation was laundering, then, there would be booms and busts in the prices individual works or specific artists all the time. Resale prices would routinely collapse, because the previous prices were artificial. But you don't see that. You have some artists that go in and out of fashion, but you don't have a work sell for one million dollars and then upon resale go for $50,000. It just doesn't happen.

50 years ago, you could buy a Mark Rothko for 5 figures. Now, you'd be be lucky to get one for less than 1000 times that. This has nothing to do with money laundering. It has to do with if you have a Rothko and put it up for auction, you are going to get paid a lot of money. Rothko paintings have value. It's hard to articulate that value, but it exists. Put it in an auction and people are going to bid on it. And it's not some global-interconnected-money-laundering conspiracy. There is a genuine market for this and this is what is driving prices. This market is driven by how many super rich people there are in the world at any time. It closely corresponds to that.

ThePedoHunter

Bullshit....has everything to do with money laundering.....dont make me Google for your benefit some of the outright laughable shit that sells for millions, big millions.

mudbear

Fake art printed on paper, just like the US$, can re-use the same art for more laundering operations keeping the fake price.

No doubt that there is some interest but some of the garbage out there is objectively worthless, there will be collectors as there are for everything, and of course there is a market for art, im not doubting that, but i think the majority of money in that system is laundered money.

It makes perfect sense to launder money through art, you can produce it for near nothing and sell it for any price you want, i can shit on a piece of canvas and charge 7 figures and nobody will ask any questions, try that with any other product.

RweSure

but some of the garbage out there is objectively worthless,

Actually the whole debate on value is subjective

i think the majority of money in that system is laundered money.

But this is not evidence. This is a conclusion you've reached.

i can shit on a piece of canvas and charge 7 figures

So why aren't you? Why don't you shit on a canvas and try to get a gallery to take you on. See how far you get.

Bullshit....has everything to do with money laundering

Obviously you've deeply researched this.

mudbear

So why aren't you? Why don't you shit on a canvas and try to get a gallery to take you on. See how far you get.

because im not laundeing money for drug/uman trafficking

I said that its what i believe, its harder to believe that shit art can sell for high prices, money laundering makes a ton more sense, and its only rich people whod be the kind of customers for high cost illegal activities that buy this shit.

I dont know why your trying so hard to prove my theory false by claiming lack of evidence, i never provided any i just have a theory that i think is worth investigating, because its a decent theory

yes there is an art market, my mother is an artist, not a million dollar one just a local artist, people buy things they like to look at, which is why i cant understand why degenerate art that isnt worth looking at sells higher then beautiful pieces. The "objectivity" excuse makes it the perfect system to launder money, if i was selling crack and laundering through cigarettes, people might wonder why im charging 1k per packet, if i sell a piece of shit art that i spilt onto a canvas, nobody batters an eyelid.

11-11

Thank you for putting my thoughts into words.

You said it better than I could have

johnpedostalol

O boi #5 go t me Loooool

ThePuppetShow

Considering all the Nazi ties in our government and the CIA, they probably have all the art that the Nazis stole too.

LightSource

Oh yeah they do..project paperclip

equineluvr

"Considering all the Nazi ties in our government and the CIA, they probably have all the art that the Nazis stole too."

That is a BS myth, which is why MOVIES have been made about it to help indoctrinate you further.

Do you know who the big "victim" of that "theft" was? THE ROTHSCHILDS!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/02/22/rothschild-heirs-donate-works-once-looted-nazis-mfa/64Axq5tuhcHrKxR4kVI0sI/story.html

ThePedoHunter

I love instantly down voting you. How's the dried cheese from Alefantis' cock taste lately?

ThePuppetShow

So you're trying to tell me that all the declassified information on Operation Paperclip is bullshit? Are the Bush family and Soros are fake too?

The keepers of the Papal treasure are never victims. You think they couldn't get that art back if they gave a shit about it?

Do you really believe every Jew is part of this conspiracy? I've already proven to you many times that the top dogs of your Jew conspiracy (Rothschilds) claim Roman Catholic and are the keepers of the Papal treasure.. and you STILL call them Jews and blame the Jews. Take your shill bullshit elsewhere.

ThePedoHunter

I downvoted you for taking that POS shills bait.

ThePuppetShow

So you're suggesting that people let these clowns say what they want? They want to be able to say what they want and have no arguments so they can frame everyone here as agreeing. You play your game and I'll play mine. Thanks for the downvote.

ThePedoHunter

Dude, its about treating those shills for the turds they are, esp that particular poster.....he is class a troll.

ThePuppetShow

IMO if we let these idiots push their crap unimpeded, it's going to come back to haunt us.

equineluvr

"So you're trying to tell me that all the declassified information on Operation Paperclip is bullshit? Are the Bush family and Soros are fake too?"

READ MY POST, RETARD! No mention of Paperclip or the Bushes, only the "stolen" artwork.

"Do you really believe every Jew is part of this conspiracy?"

I never stated or implied any such thing. Do you KNOW WHO THE ROTHSCHILDS ARE?

" I've already proven to you many times that the top dogs of your Jew conspiracy (Rothschilds) claim Roman Catholic and are the keepers of the Papal treasure.. and you STILL call them Jews and blame the Jews."

What do you think a crypto Jew does? They PRETEND TO BE ANOTHER RELIGION, USUALLY BUT NOT ALWAYS CATHOLIC.

Whom do you work for? The ADL? The JIDF?

ThePuppetShow

I said...

"Considering all the Nazi ties in our government and the CIA, they probably have all the art that the Nazis stole too."

Then you said...

That is a BS myth, which is why MOVIES have been made about it to help indoctrinate you further.

That is you stating that all the nazi ties in our government are bullshit. Part of thise nazi ties include project paperclip. Maybe you should read your own comment, "fucking retard".

I never stated or implied any such thing. Do you KNOW WHO THE ROTHSCHILDS ARE?

I know exactly who the Rothschilds are, you seem to be having difficulties so you just blame the Jews, exactly who the Rothschilds want you to blame.

I own my own construction business. Is Media Matters paying you well, or are you just a useeful idiot?

carmencita

I have had that feeling for quite some time. I wonder were they are hidden.

LightSource

Maybe at the Vatican or maybe even Israel