User2060

Yet...a few days later, the white house puts sanctions on Russia....for things that doesn't change anything mostly, Obama in the middle of the election only news, had 2 Russian spy houses shutdown and the guys given 72 hours to leave the US, in one glorious mansion in Maryland and another in Long Island. But it was never put on paper or anything. So that's why Russia is countering with closing some US embassy buildings in St-Petersburg and Moscow. You can look for that happening in early december if I recall well.

Trumpsters....I hope you understand just how so very slightly different he is on external affairs than Hitlery would've been. And they're both related to Epstein as in, Trump isn't just Epstein's neighbour in Florida.

quantokitty

Not sure who you're trying to convince with this BS.

Whatever. Enjoy your Soros bitcoins.

quantokitty

Gotta love concidencologists.

But upvoat for making me laugh. That is a valuable skill.

ThePuppetShow

Oh what a tangled web they weave...

Did you see the thread yesterday about the mathematic probability that its a coverup?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1986849

Before looking at the probability that Seth Rich's untimely death was connected to a larger pattern of death, let's look at the qualifications of the person assessing his death as a part of a larger dataset. Many people know him as the man that exposed the discrepancies between the exit polling data and the outcomes at the polls during the 2016 Presidential Election.

Richard Charnin graduated from Queens College (NY) in 1965 with a BA in Mathematics. He was hired as a numerical control engineer/programmer for Grumman Aerospace Corporation. GAC was a major defense/aerospace manufacturer which built the Lunar Module, Navy fighter jets and commercial aircraft.

He obtained an MS in Applied Mathematics from Adelphi University in 1969 and an MS in Operations Research from Polytechnic Institute of NY in 1973.

According to Richard Charnin on his Mortality Probability Calculator

Mathematics indicates a virtual 100% probability of a cover-up.

There were n=6 suspicious deaths in T=5 weeks (0.10 years). Mortality rate R=0.0002. Assuming a random group of N individuals, the probability that it was just a coincidence is

N Probability

500 1 in 900 trillion

1000 1 in 14 trillion

3000 1 in 20 billion

30000 1 in 32000

http://www.newslogue.com/debate/631/KimHolleman

equineluvr

All that math is MOOT since there is NO EVIDENCE that Seth Rich is actually DEAD.

No DEATH CERT. and no AUTOPSY REPORT. No REAL investigator would lift a finger without those documents.

AssFaceSandwich2

You don't think the family saw the body?

ThePuppetShow

Exactly why none of that was ever done. Do you believe the autopsy report for Breitbart? They certainly couldn't kill Seth Rich's coroner without it being a bit obvious.

quantokitty

No, I did not see that. Unbelievable. Wonder what the probability would be of Killary's enemies winding up dead just before they're about to testify?

NotAnIdiot

Not really a new report at all. But yes it's basically as close as you can get to proof that this hacking story is bullshit.

Tossov

the gateway pundit. lol. who's next the weekly world news and the national enquirer?

quantokitty

Yeah, well, you could say that about the NYT, MSM, WSJ, and CNN, too.

There is no such thing as a sacrosanct news outlet anymore. Lately, the independent journalists have been more accurate, but that doesn't mean this report is. I felt it was an important story, if true, and that pizzagaters needed to read for themselves. It'll either be proven or not, like anything else, but it's light years ahead of the Russian hacking fairy tale and the "Pedosta wasn't even associated with the DNC' narrative the left wing faux news outlets are parroting.

User2060

Peter B Collins and his podcast is real news, especially 95% of his guests (it's a podcast everyday of the week, and with the I guess thousands of people he's interviewed, the major stars being the initial NSA people who resigned in disgust or were fired, I'm glad that he's his own man again, when he was associated to the boilingfrogspost, for 2010 to 2015 it worked well as Sibel Edmonds being his boss, but Edmonds went overly ambitious with that Newsbud thing and all her A+ staff quit on her except for James Corbett...but he's stopped being A+ a long time ago in my book. Since he was pushing Jeff Brodwick(sic)'s Anarchapulco and saying the end of the world was likely coming on Sept 23, 2013 because of the Shemitah....he lost me there forever.

Other good sources are the Oppperman Report (and his guests, about 80% of the time), he's broke the Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump etc. story before anyone else, and his previous work as a celebrity P.I. gives him some massive credibility on how these people are if not satanists, really fucked up, 90% of the time.

Tom Secker....I don't have to explain.

Tim Kelly has great guests and never pushes his own agenda....sometimes some of his guests I ignore...but he usually doesn't invite the horrible ones again (George Webb for example).

It's podcast land, video news is compromised entirely.

quantokitty

Thanks for the info.

DonKeyhote

Podesta wasnt hacked you STUPID BITCH

HOW WILL YOU MORONS GET ANYWHERE IF YOU FALL FOR LITERALLY EVERY JEWISH PSYOP

PANDA BOY KIBBUTZ COMMIE SETH, OUR HERO.

FUCK YOU, IDIOT

Jem777

Guccifer 2.0 was done by Warren Flood. He is the Obama/Biden internal IT guy at the whitehouse. He copied the files on June 15, 2016 while several alleged" ukaraian fighters were visiting the Whitehouse. They speak fluent Russian of course and were being paid by the US t o fight the Russians. Warren Flood made a fatal error and his watermark signature was left on the forged document. The D.C. Leaks started that day as a diversion and controlled opposition to the real Wikileaks. Julian Assange & Anon Scandinavian outed him months ago and have been giving him a "tick tick " timeline ever since.

new4now

It is said the Obama's hated the Clintons

wouldn't surprise me if it was Obamas order to leak so Hillary wouldn't get in

GrDec

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-10/new-research-shows-guccifer-20-files-were-copied-locally-dnc-not-hacked-russians

Disobedient Media previously reported that Crowdstrike is the only group that has directly analyzed the DNC servers. Other groups including Threat Connect have used the information provided by Crowdstrike to claim that Russians hacked the DNC. However, their evaluation was based solely on information ultimately provided by Crowdstrike; this places the company in the unique position of being the only direct source of evidence that a hack occurred.

The group’s President Shawn Henry is a retired executive assistant director of the FBI while their co-founder and CTO, Dmitri Alperovitch, is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, which as we have reported, is linked to George Soros. Carter has stated on his website that “At present, it looks a LOT like Shawn Henry & Dmitri Alperovitch (CrowdStrike executives), working for either the HRC campaign or DNC leadership were very likely to have been behind the Guccifer 2.0 operation.” Carter’s website was described by Wikileaks as a useful source of primary information specifically regarding Guccifer 2.0.

The funniest thing is George "i was a sex slave" Sweigert, was trying to push the narrative that the Guccifer 2.0 files actually came from Seth Rich, while in reality they are totally unrelated. This is yet another proof that George Webbtard is another disinfo shill..

quantokitty

Good stuff. In one of the links I opened today to establish Pedosta had ties to the DNC in 2016 (yeah, his new narrative relies upon him having no connection with the DNC even though he was the then chairman of Killary's presidential campaign -- shills here are already parroting it), I was reminded that Wikileaks warned both Donna Brazille and Killary's running mate Kaine (evil brother of Abel) that devastating info about them would be leaked.

Can't wait until all the pieces of this puzzle are finally put in the correct order and indictments are handed down.

DarkMath

"Can't wait until"

I can't wait until you stop thinking I'm a shill.

2impendingdoom

I'm confused, were there two DNC leaks or just one. If Warren Flood was Guccifer 2.0 than Seth Rich was not involved?

And who phished Podesta?

Why is the Paule Carres (Podesta's cousins) adoption business called Gusifer? Is that just a total coincidence?

coreylkh

Justin Cooper was the leaker. He was pissed that Brian Pagliano replaced him as the State Dept. IT guy & Seth Rich was disgusted by the DNC vote rigging and money diverting from Bernie campaign. Seth took the fall, Brian got immunity and Justin is shitting his pants because he got no deal so he's going to come clean to cover his ass.

2impendingdoom

Yikes, first time I'm hearing this story. do you know Justin?

Jem777

Warren Flood was used as the set up distraction using Russian language or signatures as stated above to divert from the real Wikileaks that Seth provided in May. They discovered the leaks had happened so set up the fake Gucifer 2.0 leaks but Warren forgot to delete his name ;)

Once Seth was unmasked the story goes from there.

The_Roman_Numeral

Just one. Seth Rich's. Warren Flood was the DNC plant posing as Guccifer 2.0 to confuse the issue. It's only Seth Rich.

quantokitty

Re: the Gusifer business.

Nobody knows what that business was. I did an in-depth investigation, and the adoption business was separate although shared the address. A medical billing business was also established by Patti Paule Carres. Meanwhile, Patti Paule-Carres was also renting out an apartment and Paris, and claiming that her residence was in Amsterdam. She stated on her Twitter account (think it was on her Twitter account) that she ran a consulting business in Amsterdam. That consulting business was never found. I did find an art store run by her in Amsterdam. Whether it was this consulting firm she ran is not clear. I should add that she stated she was based in Amsterdam when her other businesses were being run out of Virginia.

If you go through the links to those old posts of mine, it's pretty extensive.

2impendingdoom

I know. international adoption, art, medical... All the other government facilities in Winchester VA. We know what's going on there. With these people and the significance of all the names and codes, gusifer probably means something.

quantokitty

Yes, and the hacker, or copier, probably knew what the Gusifer business was and was sending a signal to those involved in whatever it was. I was only responding to your comment that Gusifer was an adoption agency. It may have been ... it may be ... but it was never proven it was an adoption agency.

2impendingdoom

maybe it was intended for an adoption agency in the beginning which is why you thought that but couldn't find proof. I kind of think is simply because the kids didn't last long enough to need homes.

quantokitty

And you may be right. We don't know.

That's why I'm encouraging people to keep investigating. There's so much more to know.

DarkMath

I agree 100% the Russians didn't hack the DNC. But I don't think Seth Rich was murdered.

Do you still think I'm a shill quantokitty? How could a shill agree with you on this?

coreylkh

I agree that I don't think he's dead. Just like Eric Braverman wasn't murdered like everyone thought, I believe they'll find Seth Rich in hiding. He very well might have been but he went into hiding before he was Arkansided.

DarkMath

Yep. Time will tell. Either way Hillary & Co will be swinging from the rafters provided the Rothschild's and/or Vatican get to them first.

What are the odds John Podesta survives this with the Rothschilds and Vatican knowing if he's ever arrested he's going to plea bargain his ass off.

Yeah. I don't think History has an example of people TPTB will want more dead than John Podesta and Hillary Clinton. Dead men tell no tales.

spacewitch

I'm not saying you are, but the shills do more elaborate stuff now that it's so easy to recognize them, so one way to do it would be to agree on one thing and not on another. For example.

DarkMath

Absolutely. I trust no one not even you.

Look at my posts here: https://voat.co/user/DarkMath/submissions

If you still think I'm a shill after that then I'd love to hear your evidence.

survey_girl

Files stolen on 7/5/2016.... Seth Rich murdered on 7/10/2016. Also, Comey publically announced on 7/5/2016 that Clinton would not face federal charges for the multiple laws she broke.

AssFaceSandwich2

Triggered. Aaaaand release.

quantokitty

Yeah, I'm sure the shillsters will try to convince us it's all a gigantic coincidence.

DarkMath

quantokitty do you think Seth Rich was murdered?

DarkMath

Seth Rich wasn't murdered. His story was a "school play" to cover up the fact someone inside the DNC leaked information.

Seth Rich is alive and most likely living in Indonesia.

seekingpeace

"Seth Rich is alive and most likely living in Indonesia"

Any evidence for Seth Rich, a jew, living in one of the most Muslim populated countries in the world - besides the word of "I saw I was in NY when Trump getting a BJ from a 13 year-old, George Webb?"

No, of course not. It makes you look silly when you just repeat his delusional ramblings.

DarkMath

Yeah George Webb can lay it on pretty thick sometimes.

Disregard the Indonesia comment. The rest stays. I think Seth Rich is alive. His brother laughed through the entire interview. That ain't right.

Sinful_Casshern

Prove it faggot, the earth is flat too right?

DarkMath

I used to think Seth was murdered but there's literally ZERO evidence from either the police or hospital he went to that he was even there. Also the Seth's brother laughed all the way through the interview with his family. No brother would laugh like that at his brothers death.

badruns

So you think Seth Rich, an avid Bernie supporter, would happily sacrifice his comfortable life in DC, fake his own death, and play along just to help the DNC at the time when his online posts demonstrated his dissatisfaction with their corruption? And to add to this, it was someone else that stole the information which they then blamed on Russia instead of just doing that from the start.

And you think that's more plausible than Seth Rich was killed for being a leaker?

I just want to clarify and ask if you think that sounds retarded or not.

DarkMath

Seth didn't fake his own death. Hillary & Co faked his death.

There is literally no evidence Seth Rich ever died. No police body cameras, store and hospital surveillance cameras and there is no autopsy report available.

It's not 100% that Seth Rich was murdered but it's pretty close. The other thing was Seth Rich's brother basically laughs through an entire interview he and his family gave. That's not normal. A brother wouldn't laugh at the knowledge his brother was murdered. Full Stop.

Awoke_AF

Does no one find it odd that his insta and twitter names included the name Panda? Honestly... "pandas4bernie".. all the panda talk from JA's friends, and Seth identifies with Pandas? It's too coincidental to be a coincidence.

DarkMath

Yep. The whole story stinks to high heaven. And it's even worse than we think. Seth may still end up dead but for the simple reason if he wasn't killed as part of a hoax him being found today would immediately sink any Robert Mueller investigation. An alive Seth Rich would blow Hillary & Co out of the water so why not have him killed right now? Everyone already thinks he's dead right?

Truthseeker3000

Hillary Clinton would never fake a death... look at all the murders since her time in Arkansas that she and Bill are responsible for. Also, just because Seths brother laughed during the interview is definitely not a reason to say he's still alive. He's likely one of those people who either have trouble with expressing their grief emotions, a true sociopath or laughing out of anger delusion or rage but none of those excuses means he's still alive. Remember his family was another satanic ritual one so they are all pretty fucked up people sadly. Of course no autopsy report etc the kid was murdered via the Clinton camp like they would release that. The family knows but they've been threatened also so they're treading on thin ice and can't say much. The hospital doctor was logged in at the White House visiting just prior to the murder a few times. The hospital nurse spoke out about what they saw and how odd it was. But would Hillary spare him, not a chance.

DarkMath

Seth may have been a mole planted inside the Bernie Campaign after Josh Uretsky got found out:

https://youtu.be/aKfBtIh0FNQ

badruns

Seth was fulltime employed by the DNC. What gives you any indication he was anything other than a Bernie supporter? Why would him being a Bernie mole mean he would have to fake his death? That's nonsensical.

DarkMath

Seth wouldn't fake his own death, Hillary & Co would fake his death. Why?

Say Hillary didn't know who the leaker was. She still needed to scare any other potential leakers into keeping silent. She chose Seth Rich to be "murdered" and the rest is history.

DarkMath

"Hillary Clinton would never fake a death"

That's a great point. But what if she didn't know who the leaker was?

If she's got to kill someone to keep people afraid of her then faking Seth's death would do just as well.

Truthseeker3000

She knew. She's relentless no way she'd let that slide. CIA/NSA likely gave her camp some info. Hillary doesn't like loose ends so I strongly doubt she'd just let them have a fake death.

DarkMath

How do you know she knew?

ThePuppetShow

What about the other 6 people who were whacked? What about the Podesta email about making an example out of leakers? You think they gave him a multi million dollar cookie and a pass out of the country? Not likely..

DarkMath

"What about the other 6 people.......What about the Podesta making an example out of leakers?"

They may have been killed. If I had to guess of the 6 people maybe half were killed the others were fake to scare leakers.

But as far as Seth Rich is concerned everything points to him being a "school play". There's literally no evidence he even died.

nuworldblue

Just a question... why invent a story about someone leaking from within the DNC to distract from the real story of someone leaking from within the DNC.

DarkMath

Because it would make it easier to prove the DNC was hacked by the Russians. Remember Hillary & Co don't acknowledge that Seth Rich was the leaker. Remember?

They only claim Seth was murdered.

nuworldblue

You have any sources to back this claim that the Seth Rich story is a psy-op? This isn't the first time I've heard this and I find it hard to believe.

DarkMath

Yes but they just point out the same things I just told you. There is no record of Seth Rich dying and his brother laughed through an interview about his death.

The other thing that convinced me is the Russian Hacking story is complete bull shit.

Commoner

So are you saying, that the DNC intentionally leaked its own emails or that they are covering up for their emails being leaked by an insider? and they are covering up their emails being leaked by an insider by saying that their emails were 'hacked' by Russians, but with the other hand, pretending to kill Seth Rich and wanting the story to be about Seth Rich being killed for being an inside leaker? Would not a Seth rich story kill their 'Russian hacking' story?

DarkMath

I'm saying they are covering up for their emails being leaked by an insider. If they say it was a hack then they can blame someone like Russia and absolve themselves totally or at least say the emails were tampered with etc. Remember Hillary Clinton never lets a crisis go to waste.

Why would they still need to "kill" Seth Rich? I'd say the best reason is it would scare any potential leakers into NOT leaking. Seth Rich's death could also be spun as a murder by the Russians. Hillary could concoct a story that Seth Rich detected the Russian Hack and then was going to go to the FBI but "The Russians!(tm)" got to him first.

spacewitch

Also, why kill him? Because he would be a witness and if it went to court, he could have testified against those people, and further expose their lies and criminal activities. Of course they would kill him!

DarkMath

"Also, why kill him?"

To scare any potential leakers from leaking.

spacewitch

Your theory is too complicated and doesn't make as much sense as Seth Rich being the leaker and murdered for it, while they put the blame on russians. They did the family interview to make it seem like they don't know what happened, even though they do.

Either the family was threatened/blackmailed (therefor they know why he was killed), or they are part of it and probably were mad at Seth for exposing their social and political circle, and making them parias among it I imagine.

The brother laughing would make sense if that family is part of the pizzagate/satanic circle and is a sociopath, like they are basically taught to be. They were probably "playing the grieving family" and that would explain his behaviour. But it's not enough IMO to say that Seth Rich didn't die.

DarkMath

You could be right. I just think the simplest explanation for the brother laughing is he knew Seth wasn't dead.

You're theory of the brother being a sociopath and partially crazy requires more assumptions. Occum's Razor says go with the simplest explanation because 9 times out of 10 it's the correct one.

Commoner

So, was Seth the inside leaker? Do we know that? And if he was the leaker, was his punishment to be complicit in his fake death scheme and be banished forever to another place? Or did he volunteer to be vanished as a good soldier of the DNC when the real leaker was somebody else? Is the real leaker dead and we just don't know who it is.
How do you know there is no death certificate? REally, there does not have to be bodies anymore. ..cremation has pretty much ended that body of evidence.

DarkMath

Seth may have been planted by Hillary as a mole inside the Bernie Campaign after Josh Uretsky was fired:

https://youtu.be/aKfBtIh0FNQ

DarkMath

"How do you know there is no death certificate?"

As far as I know there's no death certificate or autopsy report made public. The hospital has a gag order and police as well.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1891642

The fact Seth Rich's family have ties to Offutt air force base doesn't look good for Seth being anti-Hillary. Offutt is where many people think the Deep State runs a large Drug Import business.

DonKeyhote

And 9/10 PGers being jews means its by definition a jewish conspiracy, OOPS

2impendingdoom

this points to a break in or inside job. What still irks me is the similarity between Guccifer and the Paule Carres using the business name Gusifer.

quantokitty

Agree. Yes, the name thing ... there has to be something there. I'm thinking that someone knew about Paule Carres and took the name to mock and signal that they knew what was going on.