Commoner

You might want to revisit this voat thread about the timeline around the handerchief. It is very well done and detailed!

The comments have some good info, too...about pizza-related being added in the email

"Revisiting the handkerchief, full timeline"

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1750186

4warned

I'm remembering the photo of David Brock standing on staircase. He's with Rothschild woman. There was a cloth placed at the base of the staircase, between the ballusters.
It was weird, as they seemed to be in an elegant house, to have a "rag" just placed there.

seekingpeace

I'm going to speculate that these DNA maps are stored somewhere to be used for blackmail and extortion purposes. These are entrapment schemes,

(Like the semen stained blue dress)

Factfinder2

Could have been a map sketching directions to a future "pizza-related" gathering that was arranged with someone while they were at the "Field house."

JUNOAK

Map meaning semen is not something that has ever been proven to be a codeword. As someone else pointed out map can mean minor attracted person, but obviously that wouldn't make sense here. What I really think you should consider is that it was a handkerchief with a map graphic and maybe pizza on it. Maybe like this http://imgur.com/QkbP2Qx

Edit: "I think it has a map that seems pizza-related." would you say " a semen". Also here's a picture of herbert sandler whom would supposedly would be involved in this child rape orgy : https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RpbWhvy0guM/hqdefault.jpg

He would have been 82 years old at the time.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

Having a clean white cloth, often embroidered with Masonic symbols, placed under my ass was a preliminary first step to sodomy in all group settings I can remember. This was in the 1950's. It was kept as a fetish or prize by the groups leader after the event and contained evidence of the rape that had taken place.

HannahRebekah6353

Wasn't there a wall painting at Ping Pong Pizza (?) that had a man rapping a baby, and a person on each side holding the baby. Was there a cloth about the size of a hanky under the bum of the baby? I"m not sure.

Altmight

Yes, that is correct. It keeps the evidence controlled. Nothing left behind. I also believe its a fetish item, to be collected for perverse recollections. Child rape is an extraordinary event in any context. Its the darkest of taboos, along with murder sacrifice and canabalism. Its a mind/spirit altering parallel universe. The perpatrators feel truly illumined. They have broken all moral barriers. In their minds they are "free", above the rest, the unillumened. "Above" those restrained by Gods moral laws. Truly the children of satan, the ultimate illumened one. They will be condemened for these choices. No doubt its an extreme thrill, an otherworldly excitement, addictive in the max, more than drugs. But not worth the price of eternal condemnation. I think they think satan will provide a loophole to escape punishment. They think satan will prevail in the end against God and they are on the winning team. Freedom, liberation from Gods tyranny. Its what the whole progressive movement is about. The LGBTP movement, sexual revolution of the 60s ect. Freud, kinsey, all of it. Liberals. Liberated from what? Gods laws. It all comes back to Gods laws and the acceptance or rejection of them.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

Sounds like you've been there, all very familiar to me and so well explained. The carefully prepared cloth, often the white apron worn by the Masons and so carefully hand embroidered by they wives is tied first over your eyes. I'm in agreement until it gets blamed on leftest, progressives. Mine came from the right wing, the leaders in the community church, scouts and the masons. It's a male hierarchy thing about power.

Altmight

Plenty on the right are into it but the difference is that for the left its a matter if POLICY, they consider it PROGRESS. The right involved knows they are doing wrong and would never promote it publicly.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I've got to agree about progressives and especialy Hollywood, promoting a very suspicious pedo agenda. I used to like that word, I'm getting much more conservative. My early experience was often with "southern crackers" who were heavily involved in the community. The word apparently comes from their past association with cracking a whip on slaves. We have a sordid history, most all of us.

Blacksmith21

No, the word has to do with cracking a whip on cattle drives. Crackers are from Florida.

At any rate, I think you guys drilled right to the "core" of the psychological basis for pedo behavior.

I'll make the assumption that both of you have experienced this. I'm sorry you had to go through that, but thank you for your insights and courage.

Regarding the "map" referring to DNA. This has been suggested for a long time, including early Voat posts by me last year.

Pedophilia and serial murder are almost the same psychopathy. It is a souvenir to be treasured. Elites like the Podestas probably have 500 year old, historically significant, storage furniture for their "maps".

Lastly, you mention artwork. The visual handkerchief reference can be found here:

What Ted Saw, Ria Pratt, 2006

You can view some of her other artwork. She is a survivor/victim: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=disconnect&x=%2Fhtml&q=ria+pratt&iax=1&ia=images

Edit 1: Ria Pratt is aka Kim Noble

fartyshorts

It wasn't at CPP, but it was made by an artist who also made posters for CPP. Yes, abusers commonly place a piece of cloth under their victim to catch bodily fluids. It's present in a lot of abuse victim art and gets mentioned in interviews.

Here's a story about her (Kim Noble, the artist): https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/

She got split in to 13 personalities because of her ritual abuse. Here's the painting you were posting about, titled "What Ted Saw": http://www.kimnoble.com/WhatTedSaw.jpg

“What Ted Saw” depicts the abuse of a small child by its handlers. “Ted” is the small Teddy Bear sitting on the floor. Young mind control victims are often given Teddy Bears by their handlers to make them develop an emotional attachment to them. This attachment is then exploited by the handlers to create emotional trauma.

ThePuppetShow

Kim Noble didn't do any art for Comet. The comet artist was Arrington de Dionyso. The Kim Noble art was found when people were trying to figure out a meaning for the handkerchief email.

Edit: There was a flyer that was similar to Kim Nobles art, but it wasn't her.

fartyshorts

I was talking about the poster specifically, not the murals, and you're right. It seems like someone simply compared one of Kim Noble's pieces to a poster - i.e. it was never part of the poster. This image is everywhere: https://imgoat.com/uploads/16a5320fa4/30648.jpg (Kim Noble's piece, with a handkerchief, on the right. The left piece might be by L.A. Johnson.).

Altmight

For all I've read about "the map" no one has mentioned DNA. It would make a good meme. Podestas semen DNA or maybe the blood of the child. Theres no other logical explanation for what the map actually is.

thelandofchocolate

"For all I've read about "the map" no one has mentioned DNA."

Was one of the first things I saw proposed when the emails first landed.

Altmight

Its pretty obvious but no memes and no articles Ive seen. The fact should be blown up. The email is much less cryptic and obscure when you see it as DNA. It should be the concess at this point. That hanky has his semen on it. If that woman saved it instinctively for possible leverage on podesta it would blow PG wide open. She also said black and white, its a simple description of color, COULD be checkered. Or not. It would ve a goid questiin to ask her. Was it checkered?

Blacksmith21

The DNA evidence is secondary. It is a memento. Just like what serial killers keep from their victims.

bbylon

"map" could mean " Minor attracted person ".

Altmight

In the context of the statement. Its got a map ON the hanky. A stain. The dna from the stain, is a map to an individual. Its hardcore evidence that is why she thought it so important to inform him, so he can be personally sure that the map was destroyed as opposed to just throwing it out UNVERIFIED. He also might want it returned because its a personally valuable fetish item that podesta might jerk off to as a souvenir of his major sex crime. It really is a kind of black majic talisman. If you believe things have energy then that item is sure to have major bad vibe "majic" voodoo suitable for ritiual. Rapists are known to collect items, often underwear from victims.

bloodlustparty

Doesn't he reply saying just throw it away? If it has his DNA on it, I doubt he'd just want it thrown away.

Altmight

No. That is how confident he is! She never would have contacted him if it was not incriminating. Same with Podestas password "password". He is extremely confident and arrogant. He has been raping and murdering children for decades. He had no teason to think he would ever be caught.

carmencita

Everything you just wrote is so very true. I believe it has his DNA, the semen from a heinous act that he committed on a child. That as you say could be an aphrodisiac for a pedo. Also as you say, it could be very incriminating if it got into the wrong hands.

UglyTruth

That doesn't make any sense in the original context - you don't get a person on a handkerchief.

carmencita

No you don't but the DNA in reality, is the person. That is what is your makeup. Your DNA is YOU.

UglyTruth

People and persons are different things, especially when you're talking about the state and law enforcement. A person is a kind of natural physical map (or description) of a man or woman. A map (or description) is a model of reality, it is not reality itself. The map is not the land in the same way that persons are not people. People often identify as persons out of ignorance, this is especially true for the people of a state or a federation of states like the US, since the state only deals with people as persons. Persons don't have the intangible qualities of people, especially relating to natural rights.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I remember this explanation from long ago, it was their sort of logic.

carmencita

Thank you for your explanation. I think it clears up a lot of questions and hope others see it. It has valuable information that we ordinarily may not receive.

UglyTruth

You're most welcome.