Mbailey63

Can you imagine how much they would have been paid if she was President?????

21yearsofdigging

Of course Canada. If you want to run anything illegal, harbor criminals, terrorists, trafficking etc. come to Canada.Corrupt to the bone and no one to stand in your way. makes me sick. WEAK place

Lookyluve

Our country is different how?????

IAmTheLiqour

Its a constitutional monarchy, you clearly have no understanding of parliament. Every country in the commonwealth has the queen as its head. In canada, She's not the queen of britain, she's the queen of canada. In australia she's the queen of australia, etc. The british government could lock her up and remove all of her powers, she would still be queen of canada. Its not that canada is under british control, its that all of the governments of the commonwealth are independant from one another, but Elizabeth is the head of state for each. Secondly, every prime minister has to swear to the queen. All military members must swear to the queen. Every single facet of the government gets its power from the queen.

Here's the basic way it works: The queen represents total absolute power (If the queen is not in that country, the governer general acts in her stead) The queen delegates a certain amount of power to some select government entities. Those then delegate some of their power, and so on until you get to the lowest level of power. It's like a giant trickle-down.

Here's a quick example. You join the military, you swear allegiance to the crown. Your direct superior officer represents 0.1% of the crown. Hence why you salute him. His superior officer is 0.3%. Keep going up the chain and you get to a general or admiral that represents 25% of the crown. You keep following the chain up past the chief of defence, etc, until you get to the queen, who has 100% authority and cannot be overridden. The numbers aren't accurate, but you get the jist.

Anyway, most people are not "unaware" of the queen, and it is a democracy. Constitional Monarchy is by definition an alliance between the democratic parliament and the crown.

Anyway, i'm sure the donation is some kind of fucked up bribe or something, but your understanding of the commonwealth political system is terrible.

Scablifter

The Queen has no authority over the armed forces, she is just their figurehead. She cannot declare war and has no say in how to manage the countries defences.

IAmTheLiqour

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief_of_the_Canadian_Armed_Forces

The queen has no real power over anything. But for the intents and purposes of this conversation, I'm going along with the idea that she does. She has the same amount of power over the prime minister that she does the military. Which is to say none at all. That's the constitutional part of the constitutional monarchy. If she tries to exercise any of her power and actually rule over her countries, she would be stripped of that power.

But people here believe she still pulls all of the strings, so I'm just rolling with that train of thought.

Marfa-Lights

In the secret 1822 Treaty of Verona (between Austria, France, Prussia and Russia) the Jesuits agreed to smash the US Constitution and suppress the freedom of the US. Their methods included destroying free speech, destroying and suppressing the press, universal censorship, sustaining the cooperation of the Pope and clergy to use religion to help keep nations in passive obedience and financing wars against countries with representative governments.

The monarchs who signed this treaty were ultimately deposed. Most of these families are very wealthy and may be more powerful today than when they sat upon thrones. They are known collectively as the Black Nobility. Privately these families refuse to recognize any right to rule except their own.   The fact that this treaty was made long ago does not mean it is void. The treaty was placed in the Congressional Record on April 25, 1916 by Senator Owen.

In 1948 George H.W. Bush graduated from Yale University and the Skull and Bones. He is a distant cousin of the Queen of England, part of the Black Nobility which traces its power back 5,000 years.

Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands created a group that became known as the Bilderbergers. Many "conservative" researchers have come to recognize the Bilderbergers as an important force for the "New World Order."

Jem777

This is the best history lesson and truth that has been told to date on this sub. Explaining the secret Treaty of 1822 and how it relates to the black nobility, Skull and Bones, George H.W.Bush & The Council of 300 into what we know today as the New World Order is the greatest lesson everyone can learn.

They are all inter-related.

Marfa-Lights

The Committee of 300 now call themselves World Government Founders for the NWO. A reference no doubt to their hereditary claim to the “Divine Right of Kings”. It is imperative that we realize that privately, the Black Nobility refuse to ever recognize any government other than their own inherited and divine right to rule. They believe the United States still belongs to England. And work diligently behind the scenes to cause conditions whereby they might regain their crowns. Every royal and so-called noble dynasty past and present of Europe have seats on the Committee of 300, most often by nominees. There are just too many of these “royal” families for them each to have representatives on the Committee of 300. Precedence is determined by rank: first royal family members, then dukes, earls, marquises and lords, then finally “commoners”, who usually get the title of “Sir”. (Conspirator’s Hierarchy: The Committee of 300″, Dr. John Coleman). The Club of Rome is a conspiratorial umbrella organization, a marriage between Anglo-American financiers and the old Black Nobility families of Europe, particularly the so-called “nobility” of London, Venice and Genoa. The list of the Anglo-American financiers consist’s of the following families: – Rothschild – Kuhn – Loeb – Lehman – Rockefeller – Sach – Warburg – Lazard – Seaf – Goldman – Schiff – Morgan – Schroeder – Bush – Harriman – Others that have not been mentioned are more ’powerful’ than others. These names will get you started if you wish to track down the present-day inner core of the conspiracy. The history of the Bilderberg group itself, a cover for the Bavarian Illuminati, and its Nazi connections, would probably be the best place to start. The key to the successful control of the world is their ability to create and manage savage economic recessions and eventual depressions. The Committee of 300 looks to social convulsions on a global scale, followed by depressions, as a softening-up technique for bigger things to come, as its principal method of creating masses of people all over the world who will become its “welfare” recipients of the future. http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/11/new-world-order-creation-of-the-venetian-black-nobility-and-committee-of-300/

Amino69

The whole god damn thing is a fucking boondoggle and TPTB like to put on a show for us goyim. Some see it, most don't! Money is largely spurious to them as they own the entire monetary system, can create wealth out of thin air, bankrupt nations overnight, make anyone shut up or disappear and dictate the spectrum of social mechanics. Why would we ever get to hear about this type of news and the trillions missing from Pentagon budgets etc if they didn't want us to know?! It's all part of the charade to demoralise and overwhelm us.

Royalty and the other Elites are all diabolical narcissists and are literally unable to empathise and relate to the unwashed masses. For millennia they have regarded us as cattle and history demonstrates this over and over...Their lackeys in Gov are purely tools that serve as a veneer to obfuscate and distract us while the true power schemes in anonymity. Alas every generation seems to cross the Rubicon and the plan to enslave humanity continues with unstoppable glacial force.

Their real lust is for control, suffering and death. For research purposes it's fascinating to explore the Illuminati, 13 families, Committee of 300, Knights of Malta, Jesuits, Freemasons, Zionists, Rothschild’s etc ad nauseam, but at the end of the day they're all hand in glove with one another and should simply be regarded as Luciferians, unwitting or not. Every country on the face of this planet is now regarded as a corporation and we the minions (films produced by Illumination Entertainment -_-) are the commodity that sustains these corporations.

In short and as depressing as it may be, there are no solutions at hand for this problem and the only way things will change is when the zeitgeist of the common man organically returns to a spiritual connection with the universe and rejects the solipsistic and narcissistic nihilism that has been invoked in the vast majority of us. Humanity will have its day one way or another, but the nightmare of Orwell's jackboot will have to be endured first...

Votescam

Shared expenses in protecting common interests ... ????

recomposer

told you all so:

UK - land of pedophiles

Reversible

I can guarantee you are American. Anything to absolve yourself of responsibility for cleaning up your own cesspool of a "society."

madhatter67

Same problem as the US....a land ruled by pedophiles....normal folk find it so hard to believe they would rather ignore it, or get distracted by the occasional scapegoat that get's thrown to the wolves by the powers that be

tapsnapornap

Would you please research, it was a 20 million donation to the CF

Lookyluve

The amount is irrelevant by nature it's the intent as with all things. We get distracted argue about " amounts" and neglect the " core". Look where the connection that is that is where the truth unfolds.

freeagent37

The British Crown Jewel of Pedophilia! They invented the art and spread it to America.

DeathTooMasons

Shame InfoWhores is involved in this video. I can't share any video they are involved with. Owen Shroyer is an impossible Zionist denier as is James Corbett. Corbett plays dumb about Israels involvement in 9/11 and has gave misleading evidence about the Pentagon attack. With that said, we already know that the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, ,Morgans and the rest of the families along with the Club of Rome and Brittish Royal family are the top of the pyramid. We know the Clintons are part of this network. We also know what Trudeau is. If the Elite conduct in Canada, along with the Pope's, against the indigenous peoples of Canada were not enough to make anything happen, this report won't either. It tells us what we already know, that these entities are in league. We know that. The sheeple will nener know or care, the governments are controlled and will never act on it, the media is owned by the elite and ran by their muscle in the CIA. Evidence is not relevant. So I will continue to ask, knowing this, how should we proceed? This thread is still an upvoat however.

Are_we__sure

Canada did not just donate 241 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Let's have scavenger hunt. How long will it take to find the actual story?

Lookyluve

That's what was reported in different news medias my bet it was more

Are_we__sure

You're getting colder. The real facts are out there.

tapsnapornap

20 million*

Are_we__sure

We have a winner. How much per year is that?

tapsnapornap

Winner winner drink paint thinner

remedy4reality

see if you can find a photo from any era where a child of the Royal Family is happy or content...

I tried... they all look despondent and/or abused

DarkMath

Clinton Foundation donations dried up this past winter. A $241 Million donation at this point is to pay hit men, bribe judges and hire $1000/hr lawyers cause that fucker is about to blow.

The imminent detonation is going to be the biggest explosion involving an agent of Britain since Operation Grapple Y

:-D

Altmight

Thats correct. That is why the $ was suddenly given to this failed and corrupt foundation. Its protection for those involved.

vastrightwing

It's obvious there is some shady shit going on someone wants to hide especially when a proxy is being used to send money.

nekron

There's a case for the royals and pedophilia. This isn't it. Look up Jeffrey Epstein's friend Prince Andrew.

seekingpeace

"Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Crown and not a democracy" ???????

I think you need to do some research on the Commonwealth before you try to "educate" people. Our passports clearly indicate we are subjects of her majesty, her head is on our currency but that doesn't mean we are the property of the British Crown and not democratic countries. Also, the British Monarchy is not the City of London.

Yes, it's interesting that the Trudeau government is donating money to the Clinton Foundation but without an understanding of Commonwealth history, you're heading in the wrong direction.

mrfarrrr

Did Joseph Goebbels popularize certain ideals to the mass culture? Does Steven Spielberg attempt to do the same thing?*** Is celebrity more special than actual truth in art?***

seekingpeace

Interesting philosophical questions! Have you seen the BBC documentary "The Century of the Self" on Edward Bernays? I think you'd enjoy it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self

AldoxxHuxley

Yes, know it.

bopper

You guys can freely and easily emigrate from country to country correct? Like Canada to New Zealand, Scotland to Canada, etc. Is that correct?

LunaticLadder

Bopper what do you think about Trump admitting directed energy weapons were used on 9/11?

bopper

Gotta run. But whoever keeps saying this gives no source so somebody is messing around. Trump never said that.

ReptilianGland

@blackmith21 Bopper's paymasters have said she can't discuss 9/11 directed energy weapons.

I think we should take a stand and tell the paymasters that Bopper can discuss whatever Bopper wants and at any time.

ReptilianGland

Where are you running off to? All because of the mention of Directed Energy Weapons?

Have your paymasters told you to avoid this topic because of their connections to the Bush administration? Untereisting

bopper

Did we go to the moon?

logjam

What's your number one argument for the non moon landing.

bopper

I never said we didn't go : ) I don't know if I have one main one, but just the behavior of all the astronauts is quite telling. Esp the bizarre press conference. Having studied it a lot, I have to conclude, it was a hoax. Lots of reasons, fake photos, no dust on lunar module legs, no crater where it landed. When you really look at everything, it begins to look awfully far-fetched and silly. Between you and me, I think the moon is just a light, you can't even go there.

logjam

My common sense says that the moon is not just a light. Do you have a religious connection to this train of thought?

bopper

I fought that flat earth stuff tooth and nail until I finally gave in. Where do you want to start? Yes there is a religious component. If you take that red pill (the real structure of the cosmos), prepare to go through an emotional roller coaster. If you're a Star Wars etc. buff, you will likely not even look into it. You don't know how crazy I felt at first just entertaining such an idea. But once you go flat, you will never go back. You can start here if you want. It's one of the hottest topics on the internet right now.

https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=89

logjam

Without looking at the link you provided, I can say I have spent a few hours watching different videos the past few years.

There are some great arguments for a flat earth. There hasn't been anything that I unable to let go of to some extent. I do believe NASA is pulling the wool over our eyes with all the pictures they provide us being composites. It's crossed my mind before that perhaps our earth is not round like we see a sphere, but more oval. Perhaps our planet is "ripe" and collapsing within itself somehow. Hence not wanting to show anyone. Perhaps the other planets around us will harbour life as we know it over the coming infinity.

The other planets i can see with my eyes look round - so I assume we are too.

bopper

These celestial bodies (planets) you are seeing are round in the sense that they are circular. Flat circular lights. The earth is the center of the heavens and the sun revolves around and above a stationary flat earth. Same w/ the moon. They "chase" each other. They work just like a clock. The earth is not a ball and it is not spinning. Having said all that this is not an easy journey to take but it is a life-changing one. There are thousands of people waking up to this truth. But you have to hang on for the ride and suspend disbelief. You won't regret it, as this is the biggest lie of them all. You sound like you could do it.

logjam

Let's say you are correct. The earth is flat. "They" didn't tell us. How is going to change the world we live in with this info?

bopper

It can't help but change everything. I timestamped this, listen to Eric Dubay explain it, for just a few minutes in from the timestamp.

https://youtu.be/3gtbJOQk8DA?t=256

logjam

I watched. I'm taking it in.

How about stars? Are they flat?

bopper

Stars are lights that look watery. If they were trillions of miles away telescopes could not zoom in on them. They're not burning balls of giant gases. The point is that God created the heavens and the earth, and the shape of the cosmos is revealed throughout the Bible. We live in an enclosed system, with a glass dome ceiling (the "firmament") and there are waters above held in. Yes I know it sounds insane. The Simpson's knew about this glass dome (that contains the sun, moon, and stars).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hD8c--BKo

logjam

I think it's a mistake to take the bible too literally man. I'm not saying that what you say is insane, but the bible is a dot in the stream of time. An example of taking it literally, and having it fall apart is the order of creation in Genesis.

For me, being raised with the bible, I believe that (as we know it) it was put together by man - powerful men. Long before the days of conspiracy theories that book was used for control. In asserting control, they left many things out and included other things. Much on the way you conceive that the earth is flat - I beleive that the bible aswe know it has been used to decieve and control.

I respect that you believe it - but I don't believe it's pure.

bopper

I understand. But it's just one of many other ancient belief systems that knew the earth was flat and the sun and moon revolved above. Till modern pseudoscientists screwed us up. No need to take it all literally.

logjam

Whats responsible for quarter moons etc? Non full moons. It all seems pretty simple with a globe earth. It makes sense at least.

bopper

Most believe that quarter moons are self-generated, they're happening on their own. Notice an eclipse, the sun and moon fit neatly into one another.

logjam

You think they are the same size?

How about a hollow earth. Perhaps the PTB that gave you the bible want you looking up intentionally - instead of down.

bopper

Hollow earth is disinfo. Yes sun and moon are the same size. You have to see it visually. You should take some time and watch any Eric Dubay video, or I can suggest a good one, or there's a good one where he's interviewed by a doubtful host.

logjam

How about amateur astronomists? Is it a matter of them being in the dark of what they are actually seeing? I would think that there would be some overlap on discrepancies with orbits etc.

I could subscribe to the sun and moon being the same size.

bopper

All the ancients called the planets "wandering stars" because they don't stay in a fixed place. Astronomists do not really know what they are looking at is anything different than what they've been told to believe. To my knowledge though Saturn indeed does have a ring, but again, it is just a light, a different kind of "star." Mission control people were in the dark during the moon landings, they simply were following a flight trajectory on their computer screens just like they simulated in practice many times before. Astronauts cannot be in the dark. They are military and sworn under threat of court martial. I know a guy in NSA who's non-disclosure just ran out after 40 years, he's only just now talking to me about stuff he did in the '70s. Believe it or not, I have several connections to astronauts and how they get employed and some people who were in mission control back at that time. I know high-level people at NASA. I knew the commander of the second shuttle that exploded. I do NOT talk to them about these things.

logjam

How do you feel about this guy's statements with regards to the Great Pyramid? It's measurements being "locked in to the cardinal dimensions of our planet". The polar radius of our earth and the equatorial circumference of our earth, with reference to the axis we are supposedly on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21uaEVINCY&feature=youtu.be

He does feel we are missing a chapter of the human story though.

bopper

Yeah fascinating. I believe we are missing a chapter also, and that the ancients knew much more than we will ever understand. I'm a solid flat earther now so of course I don't believe there is a wobbling on an axis. It is still and stationary. But the earth does have a circumference, it's just that it's a flat circle and not a ball. The early explores circumnavigated a flat circular earth and not a ball earth. Gravity is a silly theory. Things rise or fall simply due to density and buoyancy. Gravity can't hold in the oceans as the world spins madly and at the same time not pull birds flying above downwards etc.

logjam

The one point that flat earth theory that ever really had me think was that water always settles flat. With that said, I do have a commercial fisherman friend, and I'd like to find out from him what he thinks. I realize the horizon is always flat too. With that I have heard numerous times that long range snipers in the military take the curvature of the earth into consideration - and that makes me think too.

Sitting here I do know that gravity does indeed pull birds down - but they are able to counter that and fly in the wind.

The sole fact that many organizations use the flat earth map in their logo. That's something in itself.

Do you have any thoughts on global warming with your flat earth model?

bopper

Here in this Voat post below you can tell that Hillary is talking about flat earthers when she mentions "science deniers." She's not talking about climate change cause she says the particular topic she's talking about "will in ten minutes hit you right in the face." And flat earth is extremely hot right now. I don't believe in global warming, another hoax to get money and control the masses by fear.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1891769

Yeah, imagine water curving. Crazy. I have never heard anything about shooters adjusting for the curve. Pilots do not adjust. They'd have to adjust downwards every few minutes or so. They fly in a straight line. Imagine trying to land a plane on a ball that's spinning roughly the speed of sound and the planes coming in at 3-400 mph or so. Yeah, the flat earth map, that's a fascinating study. It's the correct one. Look at this weatherman trying to explain a "mirage" that we should not be seeing due to the curve of the earth. He looks quite foolish. You can skip some of the middle part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9BY0824BG0

logjam

And I'm very certain, that with the gigapixel cameras that are out there, you should be able to take a pic of the horizon and put this all to rest pretty quickly. I would imagine a telescope, that's not pointed up, but rather straight ahead would put everything to rest too - no?

bopper

A lot of things are showing the earth is a flat plane, no curve. Like lasers for example. The main thing is, NASA's own curvature chart doesn't work. It's been debunked. You can see skyscrapers where you shouldn't, and lighthouses, and across bodies of water to other islands. There were tests done in the 1800's that debunked a globe earth. This argument has been going on for a long time but now we have technology that the layman can make use of in this high tech age.

logjam

What do you think the Antarctic fuss is all about? I do admit hearing about Kerry going down. The sole fact that we even hear about it is telling though. That shit can be kept under wraps.

I'm not saying you're wrong - but that doesn't make you right either. The points we share are great points to consider though. Do you not believe in satellites being up there?

I'm curious too. When Obama first started talking about "fake news", do you think he was referring to flat earthers or pizzagate?

bopper

I don't know for sure what they're doing down there, but it could very well have to do with flat earth. It is off limits for anyone to go explore there. Antarctica (you may know) is not a continent but a giant wall of ice that surrounds the circular flat earth and holds the oceans in. No, no satellites, there is no "outer space," there is an impenetrable dome. We live in an enclosed system. This fact is can be very depressing to some. Communications are ground and radio based. I've been "deep inside" NASA, it's not impressive. Obama may very well have been referring to both. Look at this clip. Why do they keep bringing up the topic of flat earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxhhrlHNSk

Longer clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWTPTdZ6gY

logjam

It's funny. When I speak to some of PG, it's considered something to be impossible. Too many people would have to be in the know and it couldn't be contained. While I don't think it's a stretch to conceive of it being real at least to some extent, perhaps I think along their line of thought with flat earth.

Gross crimes are one thing, but flat earth is another. There would have to be too many people in on it. What is a satellite dish pointed at then? There is a signal that goes between them - there can be no question, can there? I have had satellite internet before when I used to live rurally. Also, I can rent a satellite phone when I go fishing in the deep woods, and it works. All employees and companies are just there to pull the wool over my eyes? It seems like too much of a stretch.

This doesn't invalidate your theories, but merely has me think there is more to it than the simple answer of "there are no satellites".

bopper

Things are compartmentalized, as with military and intel stuff, people are only involved on a "need to know" basis. The lower rung doesn't know what the higher is doing. As with the making of the atom bomb. (Manhattan Project.) Only a very few knew what was really going on. And when it comes to military they have signed non-disclosure agreements under severe penalty. I've seen an actual signed copy of a military guy x-ray technician who was part of the illicit Kennedy autopsy. You've reached a point where it's getting really crazy to you. I was at that point myself (what about satellites?) but I kept going, crazy as it sounded. So don't stop. Keep researching all the sites out there, there's thousands. And keep this in mind. "Eliminate everything that is impossible, and whatever is left, however improbable, is the truth." For example, we know (it's obvious and can be shown by using math and the way the sun's rays shine down), that the sun is no more than 4000 feet up, and no more than 40 miles wide. So if we can confirm this beyond a doubt, then whatever is left, the existence of satellites for example, has to be impossible, however improbable that seems. And then you continue on until you find the truth/answer that satisfies you.

logjam

I'd gather that the reports we hear of other planets that appear habitable to some extent are bullshit? More of an effort to convince us that the earth isn't as special as you personally feel it is?

bopper

Haha, that's exactly correct. To make you feel like you're an insignificant piece of finite dust in the vast infinite universe. That you mean nothing. That this beautiful planet means nothing. Therefore, why not give up on finding the true meaning of life and your purpose for being here. You said it perfectly. You are thinking correctly and critically.

logjam

I would agree with you that I am thinking critically. Correctly though - I really don't know. I have explored this in the past and have given it some thought before.

What's your take on stars and the milky way?

bopper

Thinking critically will get you to correctly! Stars are just lights, they look watery, they're probably, very likely, same distance as the sun. I would assume the galaxies are simply large clusters of stars. I happen to be at my PC lately, if I disappear and don't answer you just hit me up again later. The point is, all these heavenly bodies, are all encased in the same (probably glass-like) dome ceiling, like a Christmas snow bowl, the sun and moon revolving above the earth on a different trajectory than the stars (and probably planets). And there is no way out, there is no outer space. Crazy yes I know. It is a totally enclosed system.

logjam

It's been a good chat today.

I'll have to dwell on things a little more. I'm very wary of anyone who says they know "the truth" - about anything.

While I can see how the earth would be a special place in how you speak, I can also see the beauty of this world on an evolutionary scale of infinite all the way to this present day - however it got here and where ever it goes. There are lots of things in the bible - but there are many things that are not in there with that said.

How far up do you think we are enclosed that we are unable to get past? How about Neanderthals? Any thoughts on their existence? Please dont tell me you think the earth is only 6000 years old.

bopper

If the earth was created it may very well be only 6 or 7 thousand years old. I don't know, but I do believe in a creator. There are some things as far as truth goes, after researching, that you can know, at least know the major things, like 911 and the Kennedy assassination. We can't get past the sun, which is 4000 miles, some say less. Impenetrable ceiling. All echoes are caused by the noise bouncing off of something. When you hear rolling thunder, it is echoing off the domed ceiling. Likely. No I don't buy evolving from monkeys, when it comes to Neanderthals, we are taking the word of so-called experts. Now dinosaurs are still confusing to me but a lot of flat earthers do not believe they are/were real, another hoax. I don't know though. If we were created, and I say if, the Bible is as good a place to look as any other ancient documents, for various reasons.

logjam

I like to see my life on a scale and it helps keep things in perspective a little. I'll draw a line on a piece of paper and that line will start at the beginning of time (as we know it) and end at present day. Then i'll mark the Stone Age (2.5 million years) and then mark the Bronze Age. Along that line of time there are billions of little dots that represent a human life.

I am one little dot in the stream of time. In the future, someone will make a similar graph and I will be the same dot as someone who was here before me.

I really don't know what to believe, but I'm naturally inclined to believe in past lives. The same God that made this earth, would have also made me. This earth naturally has cycles that repeat themselves over and over. Perhaps we are made in that same way.

Perhaps not though too. But it's certainly a possibility. So is a flat earth.

bopper

All good thoughts, esp the first and second paragraph. Interesting stuff.

logjam

Along the lines of our convo, the bible and creation etc - do you believe the Devil exists literally?

bopper

Yeah me personally yes.

logjam

How come if you don't mind? So many people struggle with the true concept of God, that I find it interesting when people take the Devil be more real somehow. I had to take note during the Podesta leaks with mentions to Moloch. I still wrestle with that email as being literal.

bopper

Well I had a conversion experience which made me believe. It changed me. Most Christians today are phony and washed out but 100 or so years ago there were real and solid Christians and they believed in a literal devil. Satan, the "god of this world." The present broken and fallen evil world that we live in and see so much wickedness in.

logjam

I'd be interested to hear your experience and have you share your faith if you were willing.

bopper

I'm sorry I haven't replied. I could try :)

logjam

I'd really like to hear. I realize it's a personal thing for so many, but I Iike to search and like to hear experiences outside of my own.

thanks for the chat this weekend.

logjam

What are your perspectives with regards eclipses as we know them to be?

HumbleAlien

Hey Babe. Do the Bush Administration staff believe we went to the moon?

That would be a no.

Lookyluve

No I believe Australia is the hardest even being British

bopper

Thank-you, that sounds right.

seekingpeace

No, not these days but commonwealth citizens can easily get a work permit for the UK and other Commonwealth Countries if they are under 30.

bopper

I know a large family that just moved to NZealand from Canada, it was simple, not just a work permit. I have a daughter-in-law who has dual citizenship, Canada and NZealand. No marriage involved, but that does help. Has helped in other situations for us. SAfrica in the Commonwealth too? It's the Dutch there who are still mad at the Brits but what difference does it make now the whole place is going to hell.

seekingpeace

Yes, NZ is one of the easiest 5 eyes countries to emigrate to, based on their points system.

bopper

Thanks. I asked some more stuff but no worries.

Jem777

Did you listen to your Prime Minister oath of servitude to her majesty swearing to keep all the Queen's secrets and be her royal servant. It is in his own words. The U.K. believes they are a democracy as well at least some do. They are ruled by a monarchy. The U.S. Got as far away as possible but if Americans ever found out how much tax money goes straight to the monarchy, then to the Vatican they would be shocked. Same in Canada but much more direct rule from the Queen.

Scablifter

The Queen has next to no political power, the government is the power in Britain. She does not rule anyone.

Votescam

The U.S. Got as far away as possible but if Americans ever found out how much tax money goes straight to the monarchy, then to the Vatican they would be shocked.

Can you elaborate on that information?

I think every American today recognizes that we've been ruled by an oligarchy, a small group of people - Elites - which is becoming clearer every day, of course. And Elites, of course, have always cooperated, including in funding common causes. If the answer is in the video, I'll catch up with it tomorrow.

Lookyluve

I was born in England and have lived in Canada for 50 years. I absolutely caught the swearing in and oath to Lizzie as does the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I'm unable to post links but Lizzie gets a cut of all real estate sales in Canada. Jem777 you are absolutely right.

SoberSecondThought

This isn't helpful. First, the correct amount is $20 million, not $241 million. See the Toronto Sun story which corrected early reports . Second, the British monarchy does not get a percentage of real estate sales, even in Britain, much less in Canada. Third, the fact that Canadian officials swear an oath to the Crown does not mean that Queen Elizabeth "owns" Canada. You're ignoring two centuries of legal precedents and policy.

I agree that the British Royal Family are wealthy, that there are many disturbing stories circulating about high-level pedophilia in Britain (as well as similar stories about other European royal families). I also agree that the Clinton Foundation is massively corrupt, that it is involved in human trafficking, and that Justin Trudeau should not have donated government money to it. But it doesn't help the cause when Voat recycles stories that appear in mainstream publications and then distorts them, getting even basic details wrong.

Trudeau's decision to publicly support the Clintons is bad enough in itself to upset a "normie" publication like the Toronto Sun. This is an opportunity to engage with ordinary citizens and to make them see that something is not right here. Injecting a side theory about how Canadians are all slaves of the Queen, and that this is really all about the Rothschilds and the Jews and so on, just throws away that opportunity.

logjam

"Trudeau's decision to publicly support the Clintons is bad enough in itself "

It really does not surprise me one bit. Frank Giustra is Trudeau's mentor. I have watched some good material highliting this . Of course Frank Giustra is a big player in the CF. I'll bet he's connected the this transaction somehow..

Lookyluve

Also in relationship to the Jews Frances Kydd Diana's mother was a Rothschilds Diana's real father was James Goldsmith. Diana was a Jew which makes William a Jew. Kate Middleton's mother is a Goldsmith which makes Kate a Jew hence George and Charlotte Jews. It's all connected.

Lookyluve

It's ALL connected it's interwoven for a reason. I believe the $20 million amount was what Canada was donating to women's causes when Trump cut planned parenting funding and such. The $ 241 million was reported and without actually witnessing the cheque I do not know for sure however if you actually think Canada is sovereign then their work is done. I do appreciate your reply

seekingpeace

Do you even read what you write? I'm not a Canadian but Canada and my country are Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchies!

"[Americans] Tax money going straight to the monarchy." WTF You're going to need some evidence to support that.

Jem777

Do you even realize Justin Trudeau is an MK mind control slave/victim. He was put in the program as a young boy as jos father and raised specifically to be placed as Prime Minister. The same for William who we pass over hi father and take over as king. Set up way in advance.

yewotm8

That's certainly possible but it does not mean the Crown has any de facto control over Canada.

seekingpeace

So when I challenge you on your lack of knowledge regarding Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchies, you deflect and start talking about MK Ultra, which was a CIA operation.

Lookyluve

It's one of the same. Elections are illusions for the masses leaders are always selected far in advance

equineluvr

"Most people are not aware that Canada is the property of the British Royal Crown and not a democracy."

Dittos for the United States, as I have already told you.

READ HISTORY, and you will learn that the scumbag "founding fathers" talked about annexing Canada. How would they have been able to do that?

LDIP

What are other reasons that you dislike the founding fathers? I'm honestly just curious.

LunaticLadder

Well Adam Weishaupt is your founding father sugar.

Deleted 4chan Thread https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/134420759/why-do-whites-age-so-terribly

http://imgur.com/a/rkPHm

Poot_McGarvey

also curious.

They did more for liberty than almost anyone in all of history.

PaleHorseRiderDeath

Fuck her and fuck him and fuck Gog and Magog, and fuck the so called white race. all of you.

AngB23

I seriously believe the "Lord Royals" are the top of this evil pyramid. They own the USA too and the Queen was found guilty in missing child case. But of course, those of power are never brought to justice

http://childabuserecovery.com/queen-elizabeth-guilty-in-missing-children-case-whistle-blowers-incarcerated-again/

SluggishJ

maybe this can be useful

In the mayo clinic in florida there's a transplant branch that is named Dalal and Obaid because someone from that family, saudi arabian, donated $10 million to it. His best friend works as a surgeon there as well. Obaid founded something called EDOF, the Essam & Dalal Obaid Foundation. The foundation is currently working on something called the "CNN Freedom Project" in which it uses "creative storytelling" and other media to help prevent HUMAN TRAFFICKING. This same Obaid guy, well...he owns PetroSaudi. There is a scandal from the past involving PetroSaudi (which they were cleared of) that charged them with stealing millions of dollars from Malaysia using a front company (also Obaid) called 1MDB. This same Obaid fella also is in contact with Tony Blair

fogdryer

I think its rome at the top lol

pizzaequalspedo

Satan is actually at the top

Cigarette5mokingman

Can we please leave religious beliefs at the door. Some of us would rather not hear anyone talk about how a fictitious character in a book somehow relates to something as serious as child pedophilia/human trafficking.

SecureYourSeats

Surely atheists haven't become snowflakes, too sensitive to hear people speak of anyone or anything that they don't personally believe in . Grow up.

Cigarette5mokingman

You can believe whatever the hell you want to beleive. My point is, this isn't the board to express those beliefs.

...also, I never said I was an athiest, so don't assume, you just look stupid.

SecureYourSeats

In the grown up world, we allow people to include their world view in their comments. So tired of snowflakes.

Cigarette5mokingman

In the pizzagate voat world, we require people to provide relevance to pizza gate, leaving their world views at the door. So tired of idiots bogging down the actual research going on here.

SecureYourSeats

If Satanism is a part of pizzagate then Satan is a topic. Buzz off

GeorgeHodelDidit

And you would be a Jew who likely dropped that robe and now prances around as a Luciferian....lol....we see you...and your time on earth is closer to the end than you ever thought two years ago....

Cigarette5mokingman

Wtf are you even rambling about? Lol

LunaticLadder

Yep and Satan is used to test humans.

Who controls the British Crown? "We do" "We do"

As in, non human entities.

KILLtheRATS

Chanting monks undo jewish curses

mrfarrrr

Did Joseph Goebbels popularize certain ideals to the mass culture? Does Steven Spielberg attempt to do the same thing? Is celebrity more special than actual truth in art? * ???*

ThePuppetShow

Edward Bernays was the king of American propaganda. He is the absolute proof that Americans are being manipulated by TPTB..

His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom" and his work for the United Fruit Company connected with the overthrow of the Guatemalan government in 1954. He worked for dozens of major American corporations including Proctor and Gamble and General Electric, and for government agencies, politicians, and non-profit organizations.

Of his many books, Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) gained special attention as early efforts to define and theorize the field of public relations. Citing works of writers such as Gustave Le Bon, Wilfred Trotter, Walter Lippmann, and his own double uncle Sigmund Freud, he described the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct—and outlined how skilled practitioners could use crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in desirable ways.

mrfarrrr

AngB23

Great info and surprised I haven't come across his name. Is he also connected to Tavistock?

ThePuppetShow

Read his book Propaganda, it's an eye opening experience.

PDF https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Bernays_Propaganda_in_english_.pdf PDF

seekingpeace

Please can you demonstrate or provide an example of how the British Crown owns or influences the US.

Narcissism

She owns the biggest share in the Federal Reserve most of the banks that own that are foreign.

AngB23

I thought it's common knowledge that 13 families pretty much rule the world. If anyone thinks that people defected and fought Britain to be free from "rule" and the British was like "ok, you're free to carry on in a new country, no problems" is a bit naive. G Washington took a Masonic oath when he became President.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979STATE263561_e.html

http://www.knightstemplarorder.org/templars-freemasons/

The bloodline on Queen Elizabeth is long and deep, along with her wealth and power. I do believe the Rothschild's have more power, but when it comes to this satanic pedo shit, I feel like the Queen Bee takes the cake.

LunaticLadder

Who controls the British Crown? "We do" "We do"

Votescam

Hard to really say as UK often looks like US's lap dog, "as they say." I'd have to conclude that they are Elites/wealthy who work together when necessary to support the Establishment, but in the end there will be one owner, "as they say."

WWII may have changed the power base as they lost a lot of real estate/colonies and wealth which would have allowed them to regain control. They were broke after WWII.

Our own Founders in the Constitution betrayed the population by actually creating an Elite Patriarchy while proclaiming "All are equal" and also endowed Elites here with land grants and immense power and influence over our "people's" government, the nation's wealth and natural resources.

Further, they committed Genocide against 112 million native people here in order to steal their land. Not that they've left them in peace since then. Hitler allegedly got his ideas about concentration camps from the US Indian reservations.

And they saved and supported the system of Slavery for the wealthy -- all the way down to the "Runaway Slave Act" and another 100 years of Segregation -- which also guaranteed the Civil War and further benefitted Elites by splitting the nation into two camps of hatred which still echo today.

In the rumors of FDR having been assassinated one of the primary reasons would have been that he was against seeing British re-establish their colonies. And it seems that Stalin told one of FDR's sons that's what happened.

WHO KILLED FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT?

February 9, 1986 issue of the nationwide Sunday Supplement magazine "PARADE." . Stalin rising from his chair, continued, "Well, I'll tell you why I have not invited her here. As soon as your father died, I asked my ambassador in Washington to go immediately to Georgia with a request to view the body." Stalin believed that if Gromyko could see the body he would confirm that the cerebral hemorrhage that had caused his death had caused extensive discoloration and distortion.

Elliot responded that he knew nothing about that and then Stalin said, "Your mother refused to permit the lid of the coffin to be opened so that my ambassador could see the body." Adding "I sent him there three times trying to impress upon your mother that it was very important for him to view the President's body. She never accepted that. I have never forgiven her."

This forced Elliott to ask this last question, "…but why?"

Stalin took a few steps around the office, and almost in a rage roared, "They poisoned your father, of course, just as they have tried repeatedly to poison me."

"They, who are they," Elliot asked

"The Churchill gang!" Stalin roared, "They poisoned your father, and they continue to try to poison me…the Churchill gang!"

I had heard, while in Tehran, that Roosevelt and Churchill had had a strenuous argument in front of Stalin and Chiang during the conference on the subject of decolonialization of South East Asia. I have read it in a government publication of the time. Then, this account of Elliott's visit to Moscow in 1946 was written and signed by him and appeared in the February 9, 1986 issue of the nationwide Sunday Supplement magazine "PARADE."

We all know that there are amazing stories that can not be found in the history books. That is what I am saying here. Most students have not been able to learn that Chiang Kai-shek was a member of this Four Power Conference in Tehran. But, I was there. I had flown the Chinese delegates there from Cairo, and I have read it in a Congressional Committee Report, "The U. S. Government and the Vietnam" Part 1-1945-1951" by the U. S. Government Printing Office, 1984. Full article at link https://www.prouty.org/comment1.html

Btw, this is the first time I've read this report by Fletcher Prouty, who I would highly recommend. But I have read other very convincing stories that FDR did not die in the way we've been told. However, I have read previous comments by Prouty that at that time the richest man in the world was Chinese and someone who was a passenger on a flight he piloted.

Also a bit too coincidental that VP Henry Wallace was forced off of the FDR ticket and Harry Truman pushed onto the ticket only four months before Truman succeeded to the presidency.

Also what bloodline ... ?
There's their human bloodline, but also rumors that the family's power comes from their alien blood line -- and quite an aggressive species which is said to control our planet and a few others.

AngB23

Your last paragraph...Dracos. Doesn't anyone else find it strange some of these people call themselves "Lords"? Either the British population are sleep walking or living under a Monarchy with a bunch of greedy, human sacrificing, evil entities is normal. Blows my mind.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vlad-the-impaler-how-is-prince-charles-queen-elizabeth-related-to-him/

Votescam

Agree --

If you read some of JFK's comments when he was president he was actually attacking the idea of royals, monarchies and their titles.

Obergruppenkraken

Centralized bank/federal reserve, current head, ties to Rothschilds, etc.

LunaticLadder

Rothschild Number 1 Forever! Queenie had to introduce Diana from The House of Stuart to give some legitimate regal blood to the line.
Hence why the pretty Kate Middleton has coloboma, indicating her bloodtype and relation to The Rothschild Family. Many see this has a paradigm shift and do not suspect the heinous activities will be allowed to continue.

seekingpeace

That's the City of London - The Square Mile, which is a separate entity from the UK (and within the city of London) with it's own laws, and Mayor etc.

Obergruppenkraken

Hey, jackass.

I was talking about the Bank of England , ran by This Guy who's functions were attended by This lady who runs the Federal reserve.

Dickweed.

seekingpeace

And where is the Bank of London located?

madhatter67

The thing about the bank of England and the federal reserve is though the Rothschild's started them and certainly own a big stake....the rest of the shareholders aren't declared....I've no doubt the royal family would only have given them that power if they were given a big chunk of the spoils themselves

Obergruppenkraken

It's location is irrelevant to the debt owed to it by the Crown. Skip to 14:40.

How the fuck am I teaching a britbong their own history?

madhatter67

But we pay the debt....and the crown pockets a chunk of it in return for allowing it to operate in the first place...of course noone actually knows where the money the bank of England makes goes as that is secret...but it seems a fair bet that's the scam

Obergruppenkraken

as that is secret

No it's not. It goes to the Rothschilds. Silly.

madhatter67

Really? you have access to accounts? Rothschilds set up the institution, as they always do, but they wouldn't have been allowed to unless they were giving some hefty kickbacks to those already in power....and just like the Fed, noone actually knows where the profits of this scam go, because that isn't a matter of record

Obergruppenkraken

No. But it doesn't take a genius to understand that jews are gonna jew because they're jews.

LunaticLadder

I'm Jewing right now.

madhatter67

That bit I'm certainly not going to argue with, and it makes the Rothschilds very rich and powerful.....but it's not the whole story

Obergruppenkraken

Oh. You're not getting the logical conclusion. Let me help you.

The Rothschilds Created Israel.

remedy4reality

Please can you demonstrate or provide example of how the United States owns it's own monetary supply or its intelligence services ?

seekingpeace

The British Monarchy is not the same as the City of London.

madhatter67

Nope...but the monarchy has a lot of influence over it....the while reason it is chartered in the first place

LunaticLadder

The British Monarchy is merely an outer figurehead for an ancient order.

Have you seen The Rothschild Emblem vs The United Kingdom's? I think you should take a look.

madhatter67

It's a bit chicken and eggy....but I think we can agree they are all in it together, whoever is actually top of the pyramid

LunaticLadder

Do you want to join me at the top of the pyramid?

blueingreen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%E2%80%93Byng_Affair

Trudeau does not require British orders in order to be a shithead.

Lookyluve

As a Canadian citizen and a British subject his first oath of servitude should have been to Canada you have to admit things do not look good when you swear allegiance to someone across the pond before the people your supposed to serve. Just sayin

carmencita

Thank you @Jem777 This is full of information about some that have met an untimely death. You know who they are. Why Trudeau gifted 241M to the CF and Also how PIE is trying to push the sexual liberation of children. Oh the tangled web....

carmencita

He pledged his undying service to the Queen.