RweSure

I didn't delete my account. I'm around.

RweSure

Off topic: interesting article on the docks

The Secret Life of the City Banana https://nyti.ms/2htSFL1

RweSure

The way I view the Podesta emails is that it is highly possible some people risked everything, and possibly their lives, to publish them to the public

What? Risked everything? Are you kidding? These were private emails that were stolen and released as Wikileaks as part of political operation. We know that the Russian were behind the Podesta emails. We know how exactly how they got them. And we know that Podesta was one of just thousands who got similar spearfishing email. The spearfishing email was fairly sophisticated. Here's the email sent to Podesta http://thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/assets/hijohn.jpg

Here's another Democratic operative who got a spearfishing email using the same URL. https://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/38680/1476913033854202.jpg?resize=465: *

The hacking groups behind this widespread attack have been known to security researchers for years. APT 28 and 29 are known to be nation-state actors, using tools and techniques far beyond private groups. They are known to be part of the GRU and the FSB. These emails used the same command and control servers used to hack Podesta, the DNC, Colin Powell as well as Nato, the European Parliament, the Polish government, Germany and multiple others.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg7xjb/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts

TanHay2014

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/57514 Re: Bill Benter

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 2008-10-01 01:05 Subject: Re: Bill Benter

So our budget number is currently at around 4.4m for pa including the pmusa transfer. And I think based on upon my convo with debbie fine the pa and capaf budgets are full but of course we will keep going. She would prefer that all c4 checks from now on be split between capaf and mman. Not written to pa.

We should try and be creative about what we sell in the next 5 weeks to make it be as time sensitive as possible.

----- Original Message ----- From: John Podesta john.podesta@gmail.com To: Mary Pat Bonner Sent: Tue Sep 30 22:43:49 2008 Subject: Re: Bill Benter

Fine to sell emails to two customers. May need to increase volume some. Also did wonk room with benter. Did you try to inform younger mai of capaf programs?

On 9/30/08, John Podesta john.podesta@gmail.com wrote:

He's a CAP guy.

On 9/30/08, Mary Pat Bonner mpbonner@bonnergrp.com wrote:

WOW!! THAT IS GREAT. HIS ADVISOR SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING -- BUT I THOUHGT SOMETHING WAS LIKE $25k -- YOU MUST HAVE DONE QUITE A SALES JOB!!!

-----Original Message----- From: John Podesta [mailto: [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:58 PM To: Mary Pat Bonner; [email protected] Subject: Bill Benter

Just got 300K from him for our email program. We better send a lot of emails.

-- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com

TanHay2014

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/57794 Re: Talk tomorrow?

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 2015-07-20 05:05 Subject: Re: Talk tomorrow?

Great - morning your time better so I'm still at home/my Vonage line, 202 465 4706

Or anytime on my UK cell, +447787524101

I've got a friend coming over this afternoon to help me drive a few boxes over to Debbie's to send in her U.S. shipment!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:28 AM, John Podesta john.podesta@gmail.com wrote:

Logistics are a little complicated because my phone is in DC and I'm in Brooklyn. What # is best for you and what is a good window?

Debbie Fine????

RweSure

I don't think that's a typo, just awkwardly phrased. She also could have made a typo when she said 4. That would be a genuine typo if she meant to type 5.

It's basically an illegitimate investigative technique to read all documents/emails with maximum suspicion. You can't determine guilt first and then try to find the evidence. It's especially nefarious with regards to pedophilia, where something completely innocent like a proud grandmother sending photos of her grandkids can get distorted. Can you imagine how people would react if Podesta said, "The little girls are adorable."

Also your boy Andrei is making news again http://www.thedailybeast.com/dissident-director-helped-trumps-russia-comrade-attack-us

Cheesebooger

Wow this is some jewish pedophilia ring connected to israel

bdiminishedminor7

Yes, I found that really odd as well ... if you google her name, you get this little inset on the Google results page. Under parents, it just says: Hans-Jorg Wyss

RweSure

there's not two sets of twins.

DawnofTruth

This person probably just doesn't have good typing and/or grammar and/or spelling skills.

I think she meant to write: "The other two are: 18 months AND almost 1

I personally have twin grandsons and I sometimes say 'the youngest boys are turning 5' too. Which infers to those who don't know.... that they are twins. But many people in my circle (even causal acquaintances) know I have twin grandsons so no need to be redundant.

I think some of you make more out of nothing than need be (although there's absolutely no doubt there's an enormous global elite pedophile ring on our planet). So speculations like this are really pointless and honestly?......annoying to read.

RweSure

1/ Who says they have 4 granddaughters when they actually have 5!!!! It may be a legitimate mistake but could it be because they are not her grandchildren. Easy to forget when they are not yours.

You've misread this.

2/ The oldest two are just turning 5 - THIS MAKES THEM TWINS!!! If they were actually related she would have said the twins are turning 5. I am guessing these are two unrelated little girls who happen to be 5 years old and NOT her granddaughters either.

I think you have misread this as well.

3 and 4 are oddly written, but I believe you have misread this as well.

Here's how I read this

PS: Thought I would send some photo updates on the granddaughters - I now have 4 granddaughters -looks like there will be no grandsons - oldest two are just turning 5 and were in a ballet recital together and the other two are 18 months and youngest just turned 1.

The four granddaughters are (5 and 5) + (18 months and 1 year) = 4.

5 and 5 does not equal twins. It doesn't even equal siblings. This easily could be the daughter of her son and the daughter of her daughter. You don't know how many children the grandmother has. The granddaughters could be four separate one child families.

You are misreading the email and the speculating on top of it.

Mammy

I will address your points in quotes first and respond in BOLD.

1/ Who says they have 4 granddaughters when they actually have 5!!!! It may be a legitimate mistake but could it be because they are not her grandchildren. Easy to forget when they are not yours. >

The woman clearly states she has four grandchildren and that they are all girls: > Thought I would send some photo updates on the granddaughters - I now have 4 granddaughters >

3 and 4 are oddly written, but I believe you have misread this as well. Here's how I read thisPS: Thought I would send some photo updates on the granddaughters - I now have 4 granddaughters -looks like there will be no grandsons - oldest two are just turning 5 and were in a ballet recital together and the other two are 18 months and youngest just turned 1.>

Upon a second read of the original lines, I think you may be right about her wording being awkward and your interpretation make sense of the mathematical confusion. However, this email still draws suspicion and is worthy of further investigation, imho.

RweSure

What draws suspicion?

Mammy

IMO, The mere fact that John Podesta is included in an email correspondence where children are mentioned is reason enough for suspicion. For further thoughts, see my original reply to whatgives in this thread.

RweSure

Yeah.

So you have free standing suspicion that has nothing to do with this email and that in turn affects how you read this email.

This is basically original pizzagate sin. I don't like these people, so they must be speaking in code.

Mammy

Maybe so, but at least I have the decency to admit where and when I have perhaps been wrong.

Are_we_sure

That's an admirable quality to have.

I think most folks in here are simply unaware of the cognitive biases that people have and how easy it is to fall for something that doesn't hold up logically. Basically we are far, far less rational than we think we are and our brains have certain things that make us believe.....not what is objectively true, but what we are telling ourselves.

Two things are brains love is making connections and finding patterns and making up stories/being told stories.

If I give you three random pieces of information, you can easily connect them into a story that feels "right." Even if they have nothing to do with each other.

Look at this. What is this a picture of? Look how fast your brain made connections and filled out the rest of the image.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/98/30/59/9830597bbd6c66354efd3306b6326579--connect-the-dots-exercise.jpg

This one is interesting. https://gdt.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/lavabo.jpg

Mammy

Yea, "sometimes a banana is just a banana." But wait, who said that quote? Sigmund Freud, I believe. Ahem. ; )

LostandFound

Here have an upvoat ya poor bastard, you have a logical set of arguments here.

dooob

You are misreading the email and the speculating on top of it.

Not saying the email isnt fishy, it is fishy as fuck but OP is focusing on the wrong thing. It is at best, a weak link.

1ArmedTRex

At least tax dodgers they are. According to their about page http://www.twirltaos.org/about/ it says "was founded in 2007 as a for-profit play space and toy store" then at the bottom it says "Twirl, A Play and Discovery Space, Inc. is a not-for-profit corporation exempt from federal income tax as an organization described in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. Donations to Twirl are tax-deductible to the fullest extent of the law."

I am no tax genius but those seem to me to be conflicting statements.

Mammy

Whoa! The whole tone of the correspondence is off--first a real formal itinerary/invitation and then to tack a pseudo-friendly "by the way here's my grandkids" at the end seems WAY off -- this is just not how people who are friendly enough to meet up at the beach talk with each other. The "ballet recital" doesn't sit right with me, either. Indeed odd, too, not knowing whether you have four or five grandchildren--just does not happen. And yea -- if the five-year-olds were twins, she would have said so. Likewise with the 18-month olds.

However, I will point out that is possible to have two five-year-old grandchildren who are cousins, not siblings, and two 18-month old grandchildren who are cousins, not siblings. For example, in my own family we had four grandkids born within nine months of each other, and we do not call them the "quads". Just four grandchildren who are _____ age.

But yea, I would certainly know at any given time how many grandchildren I have, including any that might be on the way.

Definitely a high-radar find. Good job!

EDITED TO ADD: Prior Post

bdiminishedminor7

Even weirder: Amy Wyss is a spitting image of George Soros.

ben_matlock

2+2+1=4
very perceptive, OP! i've come across this email several times, but I don't think I would have ever caught the error in arithmetic! definitely gives credence to the assumption that this is some sort of coded language.

Ctinainthesky

This Hansjoerg Wyss character is very shady... there's reference to a female child trafficking charity... hmmm

https://whatyouthoughtiwentaway.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/clinton-foundation-donor-threatens-abused-former-lover-with-jail/#more-2676

OoLaLaFrenchGirl

Definitely seems a bit odd.

bdiminishedminor7

I've said it many times before ... Check out Hans-Jorg Wyss: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1465396

LostandFound

I have found it interesting that Mr. Wyss never gained as much traction here as he should have. There is a reason he never wanted anyone to know his name.

bdiminishedminor7

If you search the podesta-mails on Wikileaks, there's a lot of mailtraffic between Podesta and the Wyss Foundation, but not a single mail from Hans-Jorg Wyss directly. He really wants no paper trail.