10006140?

The OP is not answering my messages either . I really don't know what to think.

10006107?

I contacted the "oath keepers" and this is what I got ... We are not a law enforcement agency, but share your concern.

The best thing you can do is report it to the local police department. Also, child protective services (CPS) in your area. If they find anything near that bad, they will extract the children from that environment. Then after investigating further, they will forward what they find to the District Attorney.

sunajAeon

Wow if this is true this is definitely police collusion, would be worth it to investigate this police department and see if they are on the radar for pedophilia corruption

darkknight111

Requesting situation update. Has the situation changed in anyway.

In terms of tactical, what's the terrain around that house like? Any places to get obscurement (for the sake of stealth surveilance and if need be, set up ambushes).

How many men in total have come to that house? How big or buff are they? Size of the mother?

If things don't improve, arrangements might have to be made to bring me along as additional muscle for the posse. I'm a 6'3" 200 lb male BTW.

Factfinder2

Did Child Protective Services come today as scheduled?

carmencita

Cc1914 and you should get along just fine, my friend. Hold on for more messages.

Factfinder2

Excellent point. I will edit my comment.

9998227?

@carmencita the "oathkeepers" read my FB message but haven't replied yet . I'm sure they clicked on the voat link I sent . I hope ..

FuriousYT

Contact the local office of the FBI:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/losangeles

11000 Wilshire Boulevard Suite 1700 Los Angeles, CA 90024 (310) 477-6565

Since Trump took office they seem to be serious about the issue of child trafficking. You can call their number any time 24/7 and also submit a tip online.

PedoStomper

Bash all pedos. Stomp their skulls. No mercy, no remorse.

UnicornAndSparkles

That is not the answer. Bring back the death penalty if we must. Do it legally.

PedoStomper

LOL at all the people saying "No weapons! No fighting! No violence whatsoever!!"

Boy, you guys are REALLY ready for the fight against the pedos, aren't you? People like you will be the first to fall when the fighting starts.

SturdyGal

Nothing against the OP who I feel is absolutely genuine, but if this were a hoax it wouldnt be the first time Pizzagaters have been goaded into a foolhardy action. How far would you go? Would you scoop up the children and take them to an agency or the police? Then be charged with kidnapping? Would you notify every child protection agency knowing some are pedo traffickers? Do you send your info to local news? Talk to all the neighbors? What do you do.

PedoStomper

That is a predicament. On one hand, you wanna help the kids in any way you can, on the other hand, you don't want to get YOUR name on the radar of the pedos, as they may start to organize in an attempt to ruin your life.

carmencita

I am saying no violence if there is danger he will be attacked by a group of them. If it gets too hairy, the best is to stay inside and call LE. If you have a gun and there are 3 of them with a gun you don't look too tough. There are times for defense and time to use your brain. Yeah if there is one weak looking guy outside with that kid tell him to let him go or you'll bash his head in, and then do it.

common_sense

Videotape, videotape, videotape. When you have enough material, GO TO LOCAL MEDIA! If the police won't help you, they sure as hell will when a local station picks up the story and details how they're not doing their job.

pizzaequalspedo

License plates and pictures and get the info to /pol

At this point it may be the only thing left besides vigilante style justice.

carmencita

@Cc1914 Any News? This is making me crazy. Sent DM to OP. No answer yet. Told him to send you address. I am sure he is stressed.

9997733?

Ok I tried calling the oath keepers by my house .. no answer so I sent the voat link through the Facebook page for oath keepers in Orange County . I told them we were trying to get the address . Facebook message hasn't been read yet . On top of all of this , you will not believe all that has transpired since yesterday ! There is a PI after my sister n law now @carmencita !! She hung herself with welfare fraud lol . Now my nephew and niece will be safe !! THEN! I get this random message from a cousin who says she found my sister who I have been looking for my whole life!! Talk about anxiety attack ! I cannot stop thinking about these kids . I have pepper spray and a stun gun . I am not scared for some reason . Just sick knowing they are being abused in such a horrific way! I wish I had the address!!!

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I am not scared for some reason.

Your fearlessness is power.

The bad guys don't know what to do with that. Making you afraid, this gives them the advantage, they know how to use that against you. If it comes to violence they likely have an experience advantage. Defend yourself with your greatest strengths, use what you know. It could be in your eyes what drives them away, your posture, your voice, your intention.

Self defense is a right, not bashing the second amendment, just offering strategy.

9999023?

lol I'm a woman .. I don't know how buffed up I can make myself , but I do have a lot of fearless moms ready to take a trip with me . Then there's the husbands that will know every move we make via livestream . I hope to God this is a hoax for the children's sake

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

lol what difference does that make. Inner strength is asexual. (Says Account Deleted By User, where the title should be, so I'm guessing about my input re: your response. Are you the person Carmenita was getting on board from OK to assist the woman with a neighbor issue? If so thanks much!

10008151?

Yes and I don't know what to think , I've been calling all morning . The address is an empty field in Compton . I won't be going there . The phone number says it's in the Oregon area and this person says they are in Long Beach

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

In the first post, she switched from describing neglect and signs of abuse she witnessed in the parking lot, to claiming that sexual abuse was occurring inside with these men without having actual witness of such. I think it was a shift in logic that perhaps the authorities she called have picked up on.

They have people crying wolf all the time. This could be that. I heard of an older couple who have driven their grandchild across the Can/US boarder for many years. The latest time, the boarder guard was up front about looking for child trafficking. He insisted on questioning the young child without interference from the front seat. all was no problem and they were impressed. A change has been made, that was a first I've heard of. Many in authority are happy about it. I've got to believe that.

The abused strongly need the support of honest brave authority figures. We haven't had it. Thank you for being here, answering the call. That we have community resources within is awesome! False alarms are always the best. (my experience)

Factfinder2

Yes, a hoax is the best possible outcome in this situation even though a huge inconvenience for you. Thank you for caring as you so obviously do.

Edit: I wonder whether CPS showed up as the OP said they were scheduled to. I asked her but haven't received an answer yet. Did you notice that she has now said where she works--at the Orange County Food Bank? That should be a place where it would be easy to make contact with help organizations. Also, it turns out she lives with her fiance but there was no mention of his help in all this.

Edit: She's also now saying she knows the identity of one of the men she saw go in the house but not how she learned this or whether she told the police about it.

carmencita

I am wondering if he read everything on here and called them himself. You are being rewarded for always helping others! I wish I was out there and we could go together. BUT To Where? I have frazzled myself all day re reading this thread about 10 times today. I am so very glad to hear about all your good fortune. With everything you have done for those kids, you deserve it and so do they. Going out now. Be back on here late tonight. I wonder where OP is.

9998039?

Thank you my sweet internet friend . I really needed some good news for a change . I will ttyl tonight .

carmencita

I am home now. I am afraid this might be a hoax. Unless he got into some trouble with one of those guys. That is the scary part, not knowing. But as you say, the good part of it being a hoax is that kids are not being abused, at least not in this case. I just hope if it is real that everyone is safe.

darkknight111

Forgot about Oath Keepers. If it is nessecary to bring them in, describe in detail the situation, perps, victims, and any injuries you have seen on the victims.

Stay calm, stay tranquil. You don't want a rash decision to get you hurt or killed. Who will be able to save them if you're out of commission.

Think tactical. Analyze these perverts patterns so you can predict their movements. This will make the OK arrival that much more of a nasty surprise.

These kids need to know that heroes still exist, including the ones they can't see.

carmencita

YES. I have given @Cc1914 Oath Keepers Info. and she is contacting. I know they will want to help. This is making me crazy. Have not heard from OP. I sent him a DM for address for Cc1914 so she can head there. This is excruciating at best. Thank you for all your concern. We have some really great people on here. Everyone give yourselves a pat on the back. Upvoat for you all.

carmencita

UPVOAT. THIS SHOULD BE MUCH HIGHER. PLEASE.

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

I would be highly suspicious of anonymous individuals here who are encouraging you to violence. Baseball bats? Tackling him?

In fire and EMT situations, people often remind themselves and each other, **Your emergency, doesn't make it mine. ** Stay calm and centered, adrenaline is to be avoided. It leads to poor decisions and exhaustion. That's how emergency responders avoid getting themselves and others hurt.

You are a witness, they and the cops know it, that's enough for now. Talk to a lawyer, get a referral from someone you trust, even if you can't afford it. The first few minutes are free and it's confidential. Learn your rights and stay legal.

carmencita

This is valuable info. No Violence Recommended. He may be the one to end up in jail. Seriously. It is of course good to have something like a baseball bat in your house. But only use if there is threat of attack. I know this first hand.

thomccc

I'm curious because you're calling them out a lot; How do you know these creeps are homeless? Especially the one you said had car? Most homeless I know can't even afford a bite to eat much less sex with anybody.

Not trying to diminish the impact of your story in any way but the homeless are being put in a certain light here. If it's true by all means let it shine. But this just ain't my personal experience with their character.

carmencita

I said in another comment that LE may be protecting them. That is my biggest fear. Why have they not moved to stop this. If the old man has started Eviction Notice then it is good idea to contact the County Sheriff, he is the one that comes to evict.

thomccc

I wish this fucking device will let me do my own writing and quit predicting what I words I want to use. I spell the word and make my post only to find this bia thinks it knows what I want to say more than I do

carmencita

OATH KEEPERS in CAL. Contact # in case anyone has need for backup help. 916-804-6500 They will probably direct you to right location. Look up your State and get the # in your Area and Keep that # by your phone or on your Fridge. You never know when you are called to help.

Mammy

^^^^^^^^^^YES, this! I just logged on to say contact an evangelical church, but Carmencita's idea is better!

carmencita

:)

9994442?

Omg this is aweful.. please message me the address . . I'm sickened and need to go see if these kids are ok .

Factfinder2

@Cc1914 , be careful. There is a possibility that this whole thing is a hoax meant to flush out Voaters or just to get us worked up. Edit: Also, the OP calls for help on what to do but then gives no indication of intending to take any of the advice we have given on who to contact. That seems like another possible hoax flag.

0cto5quid

Take images and document everything. 4chan/pol/ is cool but perhaps 8ch/pol/ would be better for this.

janet58

You could contact the nearest elementary school. There are some rotten apples, but most teachers do care about kids and might have resources.

Piscina

I hate to say this, but it sounds as though you've done everything you can. If Child Protective Services are coming tomorrow, hopefully they will do SOMETHING. If they do nothing, call them again next week.

remedy4reality

stop going to the Police and take your video to all the news sources in your area

3141592653

Good work

Dauphin

I had a completely different circumstance, but what I did worked and this may work for you. I lived in Los Angeles and had a pretty neighbor. She turned to drugs and then started prostituting herself for drugs... men would start coming over around 10pm and it would last through the night. Couldn't sleep she was so loud. When I heard a car park and a man start walking up, I pulled out a flashlight and camera and yelled "you are live on the internet, your face, your car, your license plate." They couldn't even see me because of the light, but every time they ran and left. Stand out there and blatantly record the "johns" people like that do NOT want to be on camera. Arm yourself in case. Be careful.

UnicornAndSparkles

This ideas awesome!!!

mooteensy

Like a deer in headlights! Great thinking.

wincraft71

If you're willing to risk assault, forcible entry, and kidnapping charges which come with a possible prison sentence, and endangering your own life, you could go over when it's just the old man and the kids, break in, overpower the old guy and take the kids to the nearest safe location (ideally some sort of organization that's not corrupt and willing to help).

You said they look like they're in bad shape so once you get them in front of somebody who cares they'll be able to see with their own eyes.

wincraft71

Why the downvoat? I'm not being facetious, I'm literally saying if you're willing to take the risk this is a possibility.

carmencita

Probably shills. Who the heck else would down voat someone trying to help a rescuer. Tanks for caring.

UglyTruth

Talk to your neighbours about it and set up a monitoring system: photos, times, dates, anything that can identify potential pedos. Having a network of trust is really important here.

Rellik88

So keep tapping them. Make it obvious. Fuck it up for them. Record license plates and all descriptions of vehicles and men, and what time they came and gone.

PedoStomper

You are basically telling this guy "hey make sure to let them know that you're onto them, so they can send muscle to house to break your knees."

Vindicator

OP, maybe you should make a call to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You might get more traction. They might at least investigate.

darkknight111

I'm in California. If I had a car, I'd be more than willing to personally drive out there as part of a posse to pound those perverts to oblivion. Starting with their groins.

Get some images to /pol. They have an entire army of weaponized autists that HATE pedos.

carmencita

What about the Oath Keepers? I am sure they have a group or chapter near there? They will surely stand up for this guy and the children. Here are two in Cal. This is near San Luis Obispo https://www.facebook.com/Central-Coast-California-Oath-Keepers-251633138306911/ This one is is Central Coast Cal https://www.facebook.com/Central-California-Oath-Keepers-131037573622898/ Please Call Them. I am sure they will help you and come to your aid. @Make_Me_Siiick

9994460?

@carmencita .. I just saw this OMG ! This is horrible . I will go there now . I need address

carmencita

OK. I have not gotten an address. The best bet is to contact @Makes_Me_Siiick by DM so he doesn't put it on here. but I would contact the Oath Keepers for Backup they will protect you. This could be dangerous. I have a sinking feeling those police are not helping because those pedos are being protected. If you go take a few with you, but contact O K. They will not disappoint. I have listed their info in the thread. Keep me posted I will be watching this.

9994521?

I'm speechless . All I can imagine is men taking turns on these babies . I need to go there now . I wish I would of seen his last night

carmencita

Just do it safely. We can't be on here 24 hrs a day, even though we would like. As I said highly recommend Oath Keepers. See my info in thread. Have not heard from the OP as of yet. We have to get info from him. DO NOT GO ALONE. I think bringing a good size of people about 6 friends and relatives with you will be a show of force. And the Oath Keepers. They will also give you advice.

9994569?

Looking at oath keepers now

carmencita

Let me know outcome.

mooteensy

Please keep us all posted. Your bravery is appreciated @Cc1914 .

9997773?

It's not even about bravery I think it's just an instinct . Knowing this could be true and it's 30 min from my house , I feel it's my duty . I can't un learn this .

mooteensy

God bless you.

carmencita

I messaged both and no reply yet. I know Cc is on her way. Can't keep her away. Wish I could jump in the car with her. Hope they called Oath Keepers. A friend on here mentioned them, he used them. I will be unable to check later, going out. Hope they do get back to us. I have a feeling there is a lot going on or she would be in touch. She's a great gal and Mom. That's why I called on her to help. Knew we could count on her. If I hear anything will let you know.

Dkeere

Orange County would be a better bet. Lots of Marines that will take care of things. Was a member when I was stationed there.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/california/

carmencita

Thank you. I don't live there so do not know. That helps. Did you hear that @Makes_Me_Siiick This is your best contact Also here is the link for their Main Site https://www.bing.com/search?q=Oath+Keepers+near+Long+Beach+Ca.&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=undefined&sc=0-19&sk=&cvid=500FEF25F6984270887C53E162C14041 This is a group that will not let you down. Their Moto Is: "Not On Our Watch". They are made up of former Veterans, Police and Firefighters that promise to honor the Constitution. This is Your Best Bet. I know a great member on here that I worked on researching and he is most courageous and he has seeked out their help. He highly recommends them. Contact Me and Let me know what is going on. I CARE.

SecondAmendment

It is very disturbing that the police won't help. I think @camencita will help because she's awesome. Meanwhile can you start writing down the license plates of the cars you see coming and going? Get the plates and post them here. I don't post on 4chan/pol because I'm not computer literate enough to navigate that confusing site, but maybe people here can get the 4chan crowd on this. Once you get the plates then someone (authorities or 4channers) can IDENTITY THE ADULTS, and that will Be a start, right? Be careful. Good for you for getting involved. I hope you have a dog or more for protection, but definitely get the plates of the people coming and going. God bless you.

Factfinder2

You say "I just want to know what else I can do." There are a lot of suggestions given here that you can pursue if you do not receive help from Child Protective Services. Until you have tried these suggestions, you have not run out of options.

BlowjaySimpson

Inform your neighbors. Jump them, tackle them and do not come off them until restrained. Take him to the police precinct with your gathered proof and licence plates, or demand for an investigation. They may book you, but try to have a posse.

Factfinder2

If you believe your neighbor is senile, as you say, you also have an excuse to report to adult protective services that you believe he is being taken advantage of by a homeless woman who is also apparently pimping her children.

Beyond that, when you didn't get immediate help from local police, why didn't you call the mayor, city council members, newspapers, television stations, neighboring city authorities, county authorities, state authorities, federal authorities? Whatever it takes. You get close enough to see bug bites, but you don't have pictures to show authorities what you're worried about. Get creative--find a way.

It sucks I know, but you do not have the option of doing nothing if Child Protective Services doesn't come through, and even waiting until tomorrow for them to show up is really not okay. It is terrible to think what might happen to those children tonight.

Call a local Crisis Hotline. Say you are beside yourself with worry because of what's going on next door and because no one will help you save the children. Call a state or national hotline and say the same. (This paragraph edited to remove unwise advice on what to tell Crisis Hotline.)

If you don't know how to make the contacts I've mentioned, post here immediately and we will help you find who to contact and the numbers to call. How can you watch that going on next door? How can you sleep?

sunajAeon

If this report is true this person is in a dilemma, you need close competent friends helping you, don't trust any user on Voat, take everything with a grain of salt- this forum is used by true citizen investigators and the wolves they report on at the same time, without competent associates that have some training to assist you it would be wise to keep some distance, observe and report, videotape but don't ever get intimately involved in any aggressive action with people you meet on Voat-or you could find your self a victim of a trap and in prison, calm yourself, be patient, have witnesses, document, protect yourself at all times

carmencita

I will leave your message up on my laptop to remind me to contact you.

greyhat399321

Baseball bat.

VieBleu

CPS is the right call. They are not perfect but surely they will at least take those children out of that situation.

carmencita

Believe me, as you know, we know what you are up against. You are doing the best you can do right now. I commend you for getting involved. A lot of people would just pull their shades and have a beer. If you pray, that is all you can do tonight. Just know that you are doing your best. I am hoping others will see this too. If you can do it safely, stay with this case. It is heartbreaking stuff as you know just being a member on here for 7 mo. Bless You. Goodnight:)

BlowjaySimpson

Take photographs of these men. Try and identify them or their whereabouts. Document everything safely. Get it to /pol/ as well as here.

Having proof of the mans doing and other witnesses to corroborate your story prior to having the bones in his legs and arms beaten into dust with a baseball bay should sway 1 juror. Take no deals, push it to trial by peers if you must.

greyhat399321

Got a baseball bat? Otherwise maybe you should buy "mom" a pile of her favorite drug of choice...

Honestly though if the cops do nothing, it may call for some form of vigilantism. Some fire departments are "safe spaces," likewise a non-Catholic church or kind hearted attorney could help.

SecondAmendment

Good points, @greyhat399321 . Usually I'm not a big fan of lawyers but, yeah, there are some good ones. I bet there are some good ones who would step up and help. There's nothing more powerful than an ethical lawyer who's passionate about helping others....

BlowjaySimpson

An angry mob dragging them to the police precinct under citizens arrest is your next course of action if police do nothing.

9994494?

I'm ready to go . I just need an address . I'm not a mob but I'm a Mom

carmencita

As you will see I have tried contacting someone that might know how to help. I have to go to sleep but maybe she will contact you. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. Good Luck I will check in with you in the morn. I feel for those kids. She may be selling that little boy of hers to those men. I will pray for all of you, even the Mother. God Bless You.

carmencita

@Cc1914 Maybe you are still up, there is a problem here with abuse that maybe you can give this person help with. They have called authorities but there are no results. Where can they call or what is the best out there? Child protective services are coming tomorrow. They are bad out there. @Makes_Me_Siiick

This_Ruined_Pizza

Try to set up a video to record what's going on. You have to help them.

These are children.

Gothamgirl

Child protective services will most likely question the kids away from mom. If all fails and if this person has made any threat towards you, you can file a restraining order and put it all in your complaint, with your police reports, that will be seen by a judge. If you feel the kids are in immediate danger keep calling 911.

Soulbrotha2

Eternity is a long time my friend. Do not put off tomorrow what can be done today. It is our duty to stand up for the fatherless

Soulbrotha2

If you are there witnessing this, it is your duty to do something about it