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jangles

This is what this community is about! Thanks for your contributions :) Really you do bring unique insight that has helped me a lot on my running project I have yet to post anything about.

jangles

It needs a paragraph at the end to recap. This is much better. Thanks for being here and contributing. WE THE PEOPLE!!!

VictorSteinerDavion

I took it for granted that people would understand

Thank you for this, I get a kick out of people figuring out their own cognitive traps and making efforts to do better.

And I'm glad to see that even though it's can be harsh, you're taking the moderation with the intent it's meant to have.
Taking on the advice and working to write better posts is the core reason for the rules and I thank you for your efforts.

pby1000

The game of "Dominos" is spelled "Dominoes" with an e.

Millennial_Falcon

OK, sounds good, bro.

Millennial_Falcon

You are fine to resubmit it as-is, but I think you would be doing us all a favor if you put a brief summary of your findings at the top.

@kevdude @Crensch @vindicator

Crensch

Ehhhh...

I think he's good on finding someone that'll clean that up for him. At the very least it'll be easier for him to stay within the rules. Right now it's a massive clusterfuck.

The whole thing needs an overhaul, IMO.

Millennial_Falcon

I agree that this deletion was kind of a gray area, but it's not opinion-driven at all, as I think we do need to explore what 'dominoes' might have meant in that email. I was only asking OP to give us the upshot of his research at the top of the post (i.e. in the title or in a short statement at the top). If he wants his post to be difficult to follow, fine.

@ ESOTERICshade @Crensch

Crensch

His comment might be wrong, but his removal was, at the very least, 100% legitimate.

Rule 3

Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content and must establish direct relevance to pizzagate.

The title

John Podesta used the word Domino in an email found in the Wilileaks email dump. This is the definition of the word Domino.

What follows is a very cluttered and nearly unreadable 2 monitor's height-worth of definitions, pronunciations, and spellings. Yes, the title adequately described the post content, but... is any word used by Podesta now pizzagate material as long as he said it?

Rule 2

And where's the link to him actually saying it? I see no wikileaks links.

Empiricism: EACH factual claim that is not common knowledge must be sourced with a link.

More Rule 3, and why it's 100% legitimate to remove:

EACH link in your post must include a description of content and how the link relates to the post

https://imgoat.com/uploads/9ca14e7ea6/35514.png

Crensch

@Millennial_Falcon Not a grey area at all.

Millennial_Falcon

Well it just makes it hard on this virtually one-man mod team when I have to spend 10 minutes to get the upshot of a post, hence why I jumped the gun on this one.

Crensch

Kinda figured. I'm not really out to put more burden on you - just trying to keep the plates spinning.

Are the other mods not doing anything?

Millennial_Falcon

Vindicator generally only does late-night duty. sensitive busy lately. hasn't done much for a while. J's should probably be removed (haven't done jack for a couple months). Except for 1stLantern, who was recently added. so yeah, it's basically been just me, which has been the basic situation for moooonths.

Crensch

I've been pondering a sticky about either switching to submitter permission mode or getting more mods to volunteer.

I really don't even know if there's much here that's actually being legitimately investigated anymore.

Are the whiners just a loud minority of what happens here?

Millennial_Falcon

We did have a sticky up recently for mod recruitment. That's where 1stLantern came from. We will be vetting some others, but yeah, it's hard to find people.

You are right about the lack of actual investigation happening. For the most part, the only interesting developments are a few arrests of state-level gov. officials, which may or may not be related to federal investigation.

Yes, I think the whiners are a small minority. I suspect at least 90% are shill accounts, the rest being useful idiots manipulated by the shills. I'm certain at least some of the shills have multiple accounts to sockpuppet and act like there is a groundswell against me (they target me because I'm basically the only one stopping them).

Part of it is that I don't have the time to spare baby-sitting users. If the post breaks a rule, I just delete it. If they PM or ping me, I answer and explain, but I've never got into the habit of checking subverse mail. I worry that the shills may use complaints as a strategy to wear me down (i.e. stress me out and waste my time), so I avoid getting sucked in.

jangles

You are devoting lots of time and work here. thanks.

Millennial_Falcon

thanks for the appreciation :D

jangles

IDK, how many posts of mine you have deleted. You have been clear and obviously are just driving for quality posts, How many times a day do you get accused for working for someone here? I use to always be accused for working for Stratfor or the CIA. I am just a guy trying to help out, just like you. Don't give up!

Crensch

@kevdude this is what I was thinking was going on, more or less.

The place is mostly no longer what it was meant to be, and where to go from here, I think is a good discussion to have.

Do we abandon ship and let the shills paid to destroy this place win? Is there anything here to protect?

Do we close this place down?

Go to submitter-only, with very few allowed to submit?

I see maybe one development each week in my most-viewed from here, and I wager it'd gain just as much traction in /v/news .

Maybe keep this place and slowly phase out doing anything, so the shills stay contained here as long as they don't know?

jangles

Mad respect Dude. Thanks for being legit.

jangles

Yes this is clear.

Vindicator

Yes, I received it.

Crensch

OH you mean like MF did for that thing I quoted, sorry. thought you meant comment-comment under the deleted post along with the "reason"

Misunderstanding there then... i think

Crensch

So the "reason" area in the submission deletion log isn't enough?

Crensch

With the rarity of actually objectionable stuff, would merely asking the mod after the fact be sufficient?

I don't really know how many posts this place gets in a day anymore, but that's a lot of extra work if it's mostly business as usual.

Finding the removed submission isn't difficult when you look at the times posted, too:

Millennial_Falcon removed 8 hours ago on 8/4/2017 6:10:29 PM "@ESOTERICshade: Rules 2 and 3. You need sources for some of your claims, such as at the top. You may have put sources for those claims somewhere in this dissertation, but you need to put the next to the claims they support (preferably embedded). As for Rule 3, you need to give a succinct explanation at the top of the post for how these definitions of "domino" are supposedly relevant to the "dominoes on cheese" email."

Crensch

I don't even understand what is going on here. What is this submission?

Millennial_Falcon

LOL. This is exactly why I removed it per Rule 3.

@ESOTERICshade , there is a lot of value in brevity. your post is a confusing wall of text.

pby1000

It is always interesting when someone brings up this email. I believe it is this one.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613

I was wondering before about the meaning of "dominos". It was pointed out before that it was not spelled "dominoes", as in the game. Of course, it could be a typo, but the OP provides the best explanation I have seen so far.

The date of the email is December 24th, 2015, which is Christmas Eve.

If you look at the Satanic Calendar, it is traditional to receive the body parts of an infant male on Christmas Eve.

https://www.henrymakow.com/here_is_a_list_of.html

"I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them.

Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well.

I miss you both Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Herb

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"

DawnKeyhote

Nice. And MFer deleted it, what a cocksucker.

So do you think the cheese question was "what is more dogmatically appropriate for this gathering, abusing a girl or boy", as if Podesta is more informed on the matter?

jangles

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