Boom! NSA confirms inside leak in DNC email dump to wiki leaks! ( pizzagate )

submitted by GumShoe

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/boom-new-nsa-report-far-left-nation-mag-says-no-russian-hack-dnc-computers-leak/

This is huge. Says emails on portable storage device. Leaked not hacked by Russians. Seth Rich Has to be investigated for real now.

Pizzagate related because of wikileaks.

Edited to add full article here: https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK

One reason this is getting almost MSM attention is the source of the article, The Nation.

The Nation magazine has been around a long time. It has deep credibility with the left as well as more centrist human beings. It only publishes it's well reasoned articles, after very careful analysis, the urgent daily news, isn't their focus. That good people exist across all political spectrum's, this is a reality both sides of any conflict ought to accept.

Pizzagate and Trumps unstoppable advance opened my eyes to the right. I stand up whenever I can now for the alt.right among my mostly leftest friends. It's real people, many of whom have the same search for truth and righteousness that I know exists on the left. No political side has a hold on all that's good or bad. We statistically reflect our parents views, it's rather simple.

So back to the magazine, it's a big deal when The Nation writes about it.

They are saying, the data got moved too fast for internet download, It was done at thumb-drive speed. Moving data to Romania would be particularly slow.

And secondly, the Guciffer 2 stuff was faked and after the fact. It was cobbled together and then made to look like Russians did it beforehand. The "meta data" makes this obvious to any qualified observer. I'm clueless on meta data, ...except that serious expertise stands behind that statement. .

All the individuals in the group making these extraordinary statements of fact, are carefully vetted in the article. People on Voat asking for present NSA / CIA employees to come forward, are asking for the impossible. Only those currently retired are allowed to speak, as these top level former NSA and CIA employees have been doing for about a year. They recognized the danger of the "the Russians did it" psyop scenario being advanced immediately after the Wikileaks release and began to warn us then.

EricKaliberhall

Tick tock GumShoe! :)

GumShoe

Only a matter of hours until the President tweets about this... it's nearly 2 a.m. in NJ. I'd say 2 hours to go........

GumShoe

Video of Ray McGovern, member of VIPS, discussing their findings, etc.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6wROkp8Dk

Are_we__sure

Hi.

The NSA did no such thing. A bunch of retired folks claimed something. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is the group making the claim. The Nation Article completely buries this. This is Consortium News nonsense. Remember when Russia separatists in Ukraine shot down a Malaysian jet full of Dutch tourists using a BUK anti-aircraft system supplied by the Kremlin? VIPS still won't admit it.

Rightwing Conspiracy Folks and Left Wing Conspiracy Folks working together. HURRAH!

EricKaliberhall

Will this be Media matters official response? Tell Brock this right-wing conspiracy narrative is not working, it never did.

carmencita

In the Comment Section: So, Seth Rich leaked DNC goodies to Wiki. DNC chair DWS had Rich killed, denies FBI access to the server itself, and the HRC campaign smoke screened ALL of it with a BIG Lie, (And the MSM followed dutifully) blaming a sovereign foreign nation for a crime they never committed over an election she lost due to a lifetime of criminal activity catching up with her. A GOOD analogy, who knows who had him killed, what we do know is that someone did. Now that the Russians are out of the way, we can move ahead with a murder investigation.

srayzie

Oh that's good

carmencita

Whenever possible, I try to read the comments. They always say so much. They show that people are Waking Up!

Kcpedogate

Its not going to be seth rich. Go to wikileaks, podesta emails, type in Eric Braverman and it is all there.

Are_we_sure

A. the DNC emails ARE NOT the Podesta emails. Braverman has nothing to do with the DNC.

B. "It's all there" except you don't seem to know what it ALL is. There's an email that talks about Braverman speaking to Politico. This is immediately followed by an email pointing out all the reasons that that it couldn't be Braverman and it names and a much more likely person who, unlike Braverman actually fits the description given by Politico.

It's one of the more amusing things about the Pizzagate crowd's Eric Braverman derangement.

Kcpedogate

Exactly, DNC emails are not podesta emails, neither are they the Clinton foundation emails , which I am referring to. Braverman is leak to clinton foundation emails, not DNC or Podesta emails. There is more than one leaker, but i doubt they are Seth Rich.

Are_we_sure

Where are these "Clinton Foundation emails?"

fartyshorts

Eric Braverman was brought in to the Clinton Foundation by Chelsea and as soon as he saw what was going on he basically went AWOL. Last I heard he is or is going to talk.

Kcpedogate

Exactly, he did not like what was going on, he had means and motive to leak. What if he is the leaker and Seth Rich is a distraction? It makes sense. Did you happen to look at the podesta emails about braverman, its spooky.

fartyshorts

I still think Seth leaked the DNC emails. There's certainly smoke around Braverman as well, though.

Here's an email where John Podesta points him out as being the source for this:

"JoeNBC: A source close to the Clintons tell @ron_fournier to "follow the money" and find the real HRC scandal."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55649

We can be sure Podesta wasn't happy about that.

Kcpedogate

Braverman would have had access to the e-mails where Seth Rich Wouldn't have. Knowimg what podesta is capable its pretty chilling reading those emails about braverman, they were not happy at all.

Are_we_sure

In neither the DNC case nor the Podesta case would Braverman have access to the emails. Where are you getting this nonsense?

DarkMath

Don't be fooled people. This is just part of Hillary & Co's frame Russia plan which is to show Seth Rich gave the DNC data to the Russians and thereby tanked Hillary's campaign.

The proof is that Seth Rich ISN'T DEAD: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2034884

:-D

The_Roman_Numeral

Stick to the proof DarkMath. The schoolplay evidence simply shows us that it's to prevent ANY further investigation. NOT to hide the conjecture that he's alive.

So were there planes or no planes on 911?

catch my drift?

stop.

DarkMath

"NOT to hide the conjecture that he's alive."

I don't understand your point. Could you be more specific?

"were there planes or no planes on 911?"

There were definitely planes. In fact for every airliner that was "hijacked" there was a drone replacement of the exact same time but loaded with even more fuel instead of passengers and included incendiary bombs to ignite all that fuel as spectacularly as possible.

The_Roman_Numeral

Do you know why 9-11 has never been solved publicly? because no one can make their damn mind up about what happened. There were airliners, remote controlled, No, there were missiles to be made to look like airliners, No, there were no planes, it was camera trickery and they were brought down by a mini nuke from the underground etc... and more..

Lets parallel for a moment.

Guccifer hacked the DNC, No, Guccifer was planted by the DNC to frame Russia, No, Seth Rich died because he Leaked from within the DNC, No, Seth Rich is alive and it's all a psyop because he is M0ssad, etc....and more

That is what's called a COINTELPRO operation, all from their playbook. Have so many different theories, so that no one will ever be able to make up their mind.

People plant the seeds of theories and watch them grow.

Take a look at where you place yourself within all that. What camp are you in? what do you truly believe? who planted what seed into your brain? or are you smart enough to not fall into the trap.

DarkMath

"Take a look where you place yourself within all that."

9/11 was an inside job and Seth Rich was a school play.

I'm in the camp the wants the truth to be known.

"are you smart enough to not fall into the trap."

What's your point? To remain silent? I don't get it. What am I missing?

The_Roman_Numeral

What I am conveying to you, and I definitely do not want you to remain silent, is as a smart researcher that wants truth, stick to was is nearly a certainty. Otherwise you are doing more harm than good by spreading conjecture.

Remember, not everyone thinks like you. It takes a few less intelligent individuals to run with a story that may turn out to be false.

It discredits the truth and the citizen investigation and with it, you.

So, when you plant a seed, make sure the roots that start growing are healthy.

DarkMath

"Otherwise you are doing more harm than good by spreading conjecture."

That's completely and utterly false. Your opinion offends me. Conjecture means Hypothesis and it's the heart of science.

A free flow and discussion of ideas is the only way to. Even when a false hypothesis can yield great knowledge by the fact it illuminates a potential direction to investigate.

Am I being clear enough? I can keep going if you want.

:-D

star_boi

russia issue is linked to attempted voting machine hacks and attempted breaches into local voting records... PLUS, whatever personal and financial collusion happened between individuals on Trump's team..... not about the emails! the average person does not care about the frigging emails and never did!! ( i am not referring to the Podesta emails).

DarkMath

"russia issue is linked to attempted voting machine"

The only thing Russia can be accused of is trying to alert the American people Hillary Clinton sabotaged Bernie Sanders campaign. But that's a GOOD thing. We like when other countries tell us about our corrupt politicians.

The only PHYSICAL evidence I've seen of attempts to hack into voting machine are when DHS attempted to hack into state voting networks in Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, and West Virginia.

And please don't pull an @RweSure , @are_we_sure , @are_we__sure and claim the DHS investigated itself and found no evidence it did anything wrong. The DHS can't investigate itself.

:-D

star_boi

i have also read and heard on radio reporting of phishing emails and attempted break ins of multiple local election boards in multiple states... and why should we presume to have ALL the information already???

why do people really think russians are good guys and mean us well?? where have you been in the world??? bizarre. and no, i do not mean the average russian citizen. i lived through the fall of the soviet union and the berlin wall, glasnost and all the rest..... so give the russian- savior white hat wikileaks claim a rest!

as for hacking, there are no doubt many citizens of many countries attempting hacks of the US every day. we have not, before now, seen the focus of this issue related to our elections, but could have of course missed it. no sane person has tunnel vision here. there are many ways to 'influence' elections, and undoubtedly the US itself has done so in other countries in the past. the influence alone that Russia exerted on Trump, Tillerson, Manafort and others is enough, though i do believe that voting machine results have been breached in some places, and has happened since Gore's loss in florida at least.

DarkMath

"why should we presume to have ALL the information already"

Because the ip address of the attack was from a machine at the DHS.

"so give the russian- savior white hat wikileaks claim a rest!"

I never said Russia gave the files to Wikileaks. And for the record Wikileaks was and still is a CIA limited hang out.

:-D

carmencita

I am hoping we will finally find out what happened to Chris Stevens and what Sid Blumenthal was really doing in Benghazi.

Jem777

Seth Rich is leaker he had drop box with encrypted password containing documents. He had given the password to several others in case he was found dead. They were to be released to Wikileaks should that happen.

Guccifer 2.0 is Warren Flood Obama & Biden Whitehouse internal IT. He created the documents on June 15,2016 using Russian language Microsoft but forgot to erase his name in the authorship metadata. This was done as a massive distraction to frame Russia knowing the leaks were already coming out. The FBI then attempted to frame and pay a Romanian hacker to confess to the hacking by promising him extradition and testimony, immunity, a new house and a hefty salary to be the fall guy. He refused.

Cigarette5mokingman

That's a lot of information without any sort of reference. Links?

DarkMath

Hillary's still going to try and frame Trump by claiming Seth Rich gave the DNC emails to Russia via Natalia Whatshername.

Seth Rich isn't dead: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2034884

Jem777

Do you know why if he isn't dead an estate case was filed in DC by lawyers who worked directly for Loretta Lynch. On this lawsuit it list Set Rich as decedent and AAron Rich as the benefactor. A death cirtificate must be provided in an estate lawsuit. This has been kept very quiet.

Also Aaron has been one of the main obstructionists. There are now pictures of him in DC thanking medics for trying to save his brothers life? He lives in Colorado and works for a military contractor in cyber security. The interview that was broadcast of the family is very fake we all know but even worse the brother in the interview playing Aaron looks nothing like the real Aaron Rich?

srayzie

Then why do you think that the family video is fake? Do you mean it may not be his real brother in the video? Why would they do that? If he were really dead, then why fake the video?

Jem777

It seems impossible that is his brother. Look at the pictures provided of Aaron in the fire station and then at the video....not the same. Also his brother is cybersecurity expert for US government contractor

srayzie

Yeah. So what I'm saying is, if that were the case, doesn't it make more sense that they are all up to something? Like there was collusion on all levels, so it could support that maybe he IS alive? I don't know. But when you add everything up, it just seems more fishy.

DarkMath

" A death cirtificate must be provided in an estate lawsuit."

Anyone associated with Hillary & Co thinks nothing of breaking the law Jem777. They've done far worse things than make up a false death certificate. They own all the judges in DC and half the politicians. I'm not sure why you don't think they're beyond doing stuff like this.

Jem777

I know they are capable of doing this. I am the one who stated awhile back they could have easily produced a fake death certificate a few weeks after his death with an autopsy confirming he died from the gun shot wounds. That would have kept a lot of people at bay. They didn't why? If he was part of their school Play why not have this done?

DarkMath

"They didn't why?"

Because releasing a fake death certificate could be easily debunked no doubt. It's a paper trail that could very easily lead back to the "murders".

At this point it's a foregone conclusion Seth Rich is alive. There is no reason to not release a death certificate.

4_InquiringMinds

Because releasing a fake death certificate could be easily debunked no doubt. It's a paper trail that could very easily lead back to the "murders".

Seems no different than Wag the Julian...the whole Wag the Seth keeps ppl focused in one direction so imho could be intentional, the supposed oops...just like with Julian. First Seth is hailed as a fallen hero/executed by someones (who could it be) with intentional holes to keep ppl diving down the holes.

I would say mission accomplished.

Jem777

I am not going to argue with you. We agree on almost everything in this forum. I have reasons to believe he is not alive. Just ask you keep an open mind as new info comes out and at least look into it you are a great researcher.

Edit: I hope you realize this new info is actually being released ny @FlynnLiv5s Who clearly makes allusions to avenging Gen. Flynn and his twitter account has only one follower @GenFlyn . Who else has the means, motivation and skill to uncover the very crime that would clear his very name from Russian Collusian.

DarkMath

I looked for "@FlynnLiv5s" here and on twitter but couldn't find them. Are you sure that's spelled correctly?

fogdryer

she is such a living FOOL

fuspezza

Arnt we all FOOLS or have been fooled at one time or another but never again. Only one who accepts without a doubt, is fool in this new age.

quantokitty

Is this a new confirmation? I could swear I posted a similar story. Let me try to find the post. Here it is and it's gateway pundit: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1988027

DarkMath

"Is this a new confirmation? "

It's confirmation Hillary is still trying to frame Trump by showing Seth Rich gave the DNC emails to Russia: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2034854/10037266

GumShoe

I just stumbled upon this tonight, so I feel like it's new; confirmation & further explanation of what you posted. The full article is a must-read.

quantokitty

Cool.

DonutofShame

"Former NSA expert" and NSA are different things. (Not that it's not big news or significant.)

Are_we__sure

This is correct. This is an outside group. This is a very pro-Wikileaks political group that releases open letters from time to time.

Blacksmith21

NSA has generally been the good guys. They got bullied by Obama thugs and NSC. The thing is, the NSA hears the truth. All else is conjecture.

Jimmycog

That indicates there is nothing to investigate.

GumShoe

Is this part of the 'tick-tock' that Hannity tweeted about?

10129529?

One of at least 10 ticktocks

  • Silk Way airlines shipping manifests wrt Arsenal, Skybridge, Purple Shovel
  • Awan connection to Natalia Sova and her connection to NADRA bank in Ukraine
  • Awan connection to Hina Alvi (wife fleeing) and her connection to Pakistani NASA
  • All of these somethingburgers that discredit russiagate
  • use search on the above to look at the connections--they are already made, it's just mainstream media has yet to confess them. They will eventually or they will be outed as deepstate mouthpieces if they haven't already been

JesusRules

I believe they are former NSA, but it still counts. But not for the (((MSM)))

Are_we__sure

VIPS as a group is mostly CIA, State and DIA. At least This is how they described themselves on one of their open letters from earlier this year.

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is a group of current and former officials of the United States Intelligence Community, including some from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the U.S. State Department's Intelligence Bureau (INR), and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

This letter does have three ex-NSA folks. However, I don't think any of them is an actual computer forensics expert. They teamed up with a guy named Skip Folden

Folden was an IT executive at IBM for 33 years, serving 25 years as the IT program manager in the United States.