lawyer4justice

An interesting way to test the theory, is trace back all of the characters to their parent companies. If the parent companies are very numerous and all over the place, then the elsagate creators are probably doing it against the wishes of the intellectual rights owners. If there are only a few parent companies, then the more likely it is with permission, because it would take more effort to stay within only a few companies.

Now... There IS a possibility that the videos are against the intellectual rights holders wishes, but YouTube is complicit in hosting them (but then again, someone like Disney would goto court asap).

FYI, Disney has gone after little, local nurseries before for using their characters. They know they have to control the use of their characters, and they have a history of coming down hard on local businesses.

Judgejewdy

I worked on a community college video series back in 2000. Podunk operation (but for college credit nonetheless). Aprox 30 hour series with professor interviews, general explanation, and "real-life" stories. One real-life story had an interview with the homeowner in his living room and associated b-roll footage. In the background on a small tv was an nfl game, no sound, lasted maybe 3 seconds. Guess who managed to find that 20 yrs ago without YouTube and make us remove it. You're Damn right Disney knows and Google could remove it in a heartbeat if Disney demanded it.

Rmm

If they don't have an answer for you, then I think we all know what the answer is! Great job!!!!!

Silencio

Heres an idea, what if I bought a digital billboard in a place where people sit in traffic on their way to work (like boston) and just played a 20second clip of the worst elsagate stuff on repeating loop.

Disney can't sue because it highlights the fact they didnt care about this on youtube and disney didnt make it.

The elsagate people can maybe sue but id argue they dont own those characters anyway, and would force them to come out to public about their videos.

Youtube cant do anything they just host the videos, they didnt own or make them its fine to play a video on another platform

Thoughts?? Just need the right clip and a billboard, maybe can get a child protection charity (a real one) to buy the billboard with money from an anonymous donation

SayWhatNOWAY

Someone needs to start a petition. Have a yuuuge amount sign it, publish it, then send to Disney & YouTube and all their sponsors!

Blacksmith21

Excellent, excellent, excellent!

carmencita

Yeah, look at the R Kelley case. He is protesting, he has nothing to hide. His people say there is nothing there, and no investigation but concert sales are down 50%. People are not dumb. It could work if Moms start spreading it. Moms are a powerful force.

twistedmac11

http://archive.is/qGuY0 this was, I believe, one of the articles written by that Elsagate journalist that was in here asking for help, but I could be wrong. This article alleges that Disney is behind Elsagate, which would explain why they don't care.

2impendingdoom

Its not just Disney, check out the article I found about an event Hasbro is hosting,

http://www.golocalprov.com/news/hasbro-invites-rapper-that-hyped-n-word-and-weed-in-lyrics-at-hascom-family

pbvrocks

@duhiki well done and upvoting. This is a good idea!

AngB23

Exactly. And we need to tweet out to FBI, Jeff Sessions and Potus that if everyday citizens can find this CP shit on YT, FB and Twitter, then why can't they? And corporations that allow this shit must be charged with promotion and distribution of child porn. This shit must end now.

duhiki

YES.

A twitter shitstorm they will either have to address or risk a Streisand effect if ignored.

argosciv

true that.

they certainly can't 'disappear' thousands of people making public demands for action, overnight, without raising alarm bells.

argosciv

nono, services exist which (albeit, I'm fuzzy in the details) apply encryption to their incoming and outgoing emails - they're otherwise readable on either end, without any extra effort though.

In all honesty, I doubt it would do much in the end one way or another, but a bit of effort towards obfuscation can't hurt :)

argosciv

Might I suggest quickly though, that precautions be taken before emailing Disney with concerns RE: Elsagate.

Let's suppose for a moment, that they are complicit... imagine how much of a honeypot it then is, to email Disney using a personally identifiable email account;

Consider using an alternate and/or encrypted email service with an unidentifying email account name!

angry_mob

or you might also consider moving to somewhere deep in the Brazilian Rain Forest! (in other words, fake your own death)

Red_Lindy

I don't think you go far enough with what you say. They ARE complicit, do you honestly think they have no idea those videos exist? They somehow know when a starving artist or a baker makes a one off painting or cake with Disney IP, they know. Do you really think a bunch of degenerate YouTube vids are eluding them?

I'd venture its more likely the case that these videos were made in Epcot or Magic Kingdom by theme park actors on Disney time than these being legitimately 3rd party.

duhiki

I made an account on tutanota just to email them; it's encrypted end to end and strips IPs. If Loretta Lynch can use her gramma's name for business emails, so can I :)

argosciv

If Loretta Lynch can use her gramma's name for business emails, so can I :)

Had a hearty lol at that one, thank you xD

Vindicator

@duhiki , I'm giving this our brand new "Share!" flair. Hopefully, many will follow your lead.

fartyshorts

Beautiful.

BIGLY17

Very strategically written.

I honestly think a response of some sort will likely come; probably more of a "We are aware of these allegations and are working on bringing it to a resolution...blah blah..."

In terms of the legalities I don't think they have a leg to stand on but if anyone could find a means to end this in court it would be Disney. Their legal team is the epitome of the term 'Game Over'....for better or worse...

Raps1

It's certain they have an army of lawyers protecting intellectual property and have long been aware of these videos, yet have chosen to turn a blind eye to them. I would suspect OPs inquiry will go unaddressed.

If enough pressure were brought to bear, I'm sure they would act, but the real question is why they've chosen not to. Somewhere, someone is creating these videos at great cost with, presumably, assurance there won't be a threat of litigation.

bezzy

At great cost? Am I thinking of the same thing? What I am aware of, the spidey and elsa shit as lampooned by H3H3, looks extremely low budget.

Raps1

Thinking? Obviously not too deeply. Over a hundred videos featuring, claymation, costumes (ever price renting a single costume?), "actors", decorated sets, and available in multiple languages. Let's also not discount the army of bots behind the productions which rate, subscribe and comment on the videos. It may be a shit-tier botnet, but hop on over to blackhatworld.com and see what it would cost you to have someone code and maintain an ongoing promotion like that for you.

The production may be shit, but the sheer magnitude requires more than a single person. This is a very large operation and even the ancillary costs would be quite high.

angry_mob

you have to ask yourself how many people it takes to pull off an operation like that. i came to the same conclusion with the people gang stalking me for 10 fucking yrs! i thought, this is not a one man job.

bezzy

Good points.

BIGLY17

^I concur - had not looked at it like that before you wrote that out

argosciv

There's the elephant in the room, actually... Just what if, Disney has indeed ALLOWED the authors to use their intellectual property? We could boycott them, sure, but the sad reality is that said boycott would only reach a small portion of Disney's target audience/buyers - it'd be but the tiniest impact on their profits, really.

That said, I'd still support such a move :P

duhiki

Or people raise a stink about how Disney sues bakers yet lets Youtube creators create scat videos starring their intellectual properties... it's a bigger risk to their profits, I think, if people (esp parents) started talking about it on social media.

argosciv

My point there though, is that I'm worried about how efficiently the message of "boycott disney because~", would spread.

I mean, let's face it, Disney has been copping flak for decades, regarding it's ties to nazism, the blatant sexual innuendo littered throughout their work, etc etc... if these aren't enough to shut Disney down, unfortunately, I doubt that some abstract videos(as fucked up as they are), will be enough to bring Disney to it's knees.

I'm being cynical/pessimistic, I know, but something tells me that Disney is at least partially complicit - whether in just the elsagate videos or the grand scheme of trafficking abroad, remains to be confirmed.

10144186?

I've never been to a disney theme park. Does anyone still go to those things?