Crensch

4: Please submit indirectly relevant posts to /v/pizzagatewhatever and unsourced questions to /v/AskPizzagate .

Thanks for your cooperation.

PresudentMcCheese

So it's Okay to rape A 2 year old If the two year old is illegal? You are a sick, sick fuck. Please end your pathetic life now.

Commoner

We have been told for years that these illegal aliens need to receive amnesty because they were too afraid to come out of the shadows and talk to police about crimes. Are you telling me that they were not and that they would have told the authorities everything, even if it meant being deported?

You are the one who doesn't have a problem with raping ..... the raping and abuse of all the kids being illegally trafficked on a massive scale by the powers that let all of this go on for years.

Judgejewdy

Yes-you can bet if soros is against him Arpaio is on the good side.

DeathTooMasons

Wrong. Soros is publicly against the white nationalist movement but he funds them. The alt right is their creation. You don't get the game by now you should just quit.

Judgejewdy

Thanks for stating the obvious. Sorry you didnt understand my point but I'll stop short of calling you a petulant dolt.

srayzie

These bastards on the left will stop at nothing. They are getting more outrageous by the day because nothing else has worked like they had hoped. The more desperate they get, the more they look like fools. That will only make them lose upcoming elections. So in the long run, they are hurting themselves.

DeathTooMasons

Actually, Trump is tied to pizzagate through Epstein. So there is that. Quit the disinfo.

Z11Mama

Trump is not 'tied' to anything Epstein besides kicking him out of his resort. That is rather supportive of him being AGAINST Epstein. Not a tie.

Z11Mama

Considering Epstein was known for liking young women of a LEGAL age, one can assume this means exactly what was said. Of course, one could make an assumption and run with it. Much easier to play games than work with the facts. And considering the countless facts out there re: pedo's, I guess one can also make the assumption this rather ambiguous quote means something reaaaaaaally big considering it is the closest thing one can find that connects Trump and these sick pieces of garbage. And of course, there is the fact that spending time thinking Trump did it is far more productive than exploring rabbit holes leading off of proven sources of the issue. You know. Like Clinton's. And of course, Trump is friends with them too. Who's really blind here?

twistedmac11

Oh yeah? Notice Trumps quote about Epstein in this article? http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/#print

Right. Not connected together at all. Open up your eyes and quit ignoring what is right in front of you.

PresudentMcCheese

Trump knew his buddy was a kid fucker. "Jeffrey likes them young." Then he laughed about it. He's just as sick.

remedy4reality

hey stupid fuck... did it occur to you that Trump has been planning the take down of Epstein and the Pedo Cult since that quote and it was intended as a hint of things to come ? Why the fuck would he expose Epstein like that if they were pals? You cunts love to talk about Epstein and Trump when it's the Epstein/Clinton connection that holds far more evidence for inquiry.

twistedmac11

Are you fucking kidding me? Trump made that statement about Epstein IN 2002 ! What is it with you Trump supporters that makes you REFUSE to see the truth about Trump? He was NOT planning to become president and take out Epstein 15 YEARS AGO! You sad, brainwashed fool.

remedy4reality

hey, you stupid cunt. Why was Clinton on the Lolita Express 24 times and why the fuck are you acting like it was Trump taking all those flights, because of some off color comment about Epstein ? You really think Trump was talking about Epstein fucking kids AND they are best pals? You're a stupid fuck. Who the fuck is suppressing Pizzagate and attacking Trump? Who is employing Podesta at the Washington Post, you dumb cunt? That's the CIA, you fucktard. Now, you think Podesta and Trump are on the same side, you stupid faggot ? You're the sad brainwashed cunt. Oh... by the way, assface... I didn't vote for Trump, but you bet your stupid smelly cunt that I want him to take all those kid fucking shitbags down.

twistedmac11

LOL, wow, did I touch a nerve? Why the fuck are you so stuck on it being Clinton vs Trump? There is no such thing as left vs right, Clinton vs Trump, etc. That should answer all of your questions above. And by the way, I'm all for people taking out shitbags, and if Trump takes out a few while he's in office, great. But you can't just ignore all of his many connections. If you do (and I suspect this is the case, considering your tirade above), that makes YOU the sad brainwashed cunt. Ever heard of a limited hangout? Just because Clinton is worse, that makes Trump innocent? LOL, you fucking idiot.

remedy4reality

Trump is a limited hangout ? Prove it, you stupid shit. Or is his comment about Epstein and your arbitrary and vague assumptions about him all you have ?

LongDongKeyhote

What do you think of his thrusting his daughter into modeling unto a known pedophile and how all his kids are marrying Jews? No trump fanboys have offered any rebuttal or even acknowledged the point.

remedy4reality

lol shut up, kid fucker.

LongDongKeyhote

That's what i thought you fucking loser, LMAO! Muh god king emperor ='(

remedy4reality

stop fucking kids

twistedmac11

I can't "prove" anything, but I can at least be open-minded enough to admit that there is shit about Trump that makes me think he's not our guy.

I wrote a 2-part post here (Part II is linked at the bottom of the post) about Trumps various connections to child trafficking and pedophilia.

At least consider the idea, if nothing else. Remember, these people like psyops on top of psyops. Nothing is off limits.

remedy4reality

Saying Trump has some questionable remarks and associates is far from calling him a limited hangout on Pizzagate. I saw your submission when it was posted, and I downvoated it. I did like the top comment, though. It's far closer to my take. As for imagination? Read my submissions and comments. Very few goats make bolder assumptions about Psyops..

twistedmac11

Has he made any pizzagate-related arrests, besides a bunch of low-level ones? No. He says what you want to hear, and you believe him. You may make many comments on psyops, but you obviously can't see one when it's right in your face.

Gorillion

Hillary is connected to PG?

"Pizzagate is just a silly alt-right conspiracy theory!"

We can make it about Trump?

"Pizzagate is totally true, bro!"

SayWhatNOWAY

Fuck them all! Until the scum Elites and all their cohorts are thrown out of the country and all their $ and possessions are stripped from them, their pathological lying and terrorist activities against President Trump will continue😠😠💩💩 A coordinated plan of attack, one yuuuge military roundup and taking out of all their homes, businesses, vehicles, bank accounts, here in USA & overseas! Everything gone!

Infopractical

Judge the guilt of each partisan leader by their actions. It doesn't have to be Clinton vs. Trump. I may or may not be that these are all people working together, just in different ways. Keep looking at new facts and actions. We're only viewing the tip of the iceberg and it's not at all clear exactly who with power is evil or on the side of good in many cases.

Votescam

Well, the friendship between Trump and Arpaio can certainly tie Trump to racism and murder in Arpaio's jails. --

with 160 "suicides" by those being held in his jails.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/prisoners-hang-themselves-in-sheriff-joe-arpaios-jails-at-a-rate-that-dwarfs-other-county-lockups-7845679

If Soros is out to get Sheriff Joe -- good for Soros!

Commoner

From the source you cite , there were not 160 suicides ! There were 157 deaths . * fyi - not all deaths are suicides!

Searching other databases (the Office of the County Medical Examiner's and the Office of Risk Management's, as well as the U.S. Department of Justice's) revealed that close to 160 people have died in Arpaio's jails.

From 1996 to 2015 , the suicide rate among jail deaths in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's lockups was an astounding 24 percent, with 39 of the 157 hanging themselves .

Furthermore, the biased 'reporter' comparison between Sheriff Joe's years and other cities rates of suicides means nothing.

  • First, he doesn't ever actually tell us what number he is using for the number of suicides.

But that is an estimate, because the truth is that no outside authority keeps track of how many people die from brutality, neglect, disease, bad health, or old age in Arpaio's jails.

  • Second, he compares different years and the number of years. Why does he use a short time frame of 3 years, 2000-2002, when pulling data for the other cities.

In jailhouse deaths across the nation, the U.S. Department of Justice notes the following rates of suicide over a three-year period from 2000 to 2002 : • Los Angeles: 11 percent. • New York: 9 percent. • Cook County (Chicago): 6 percent. • Philadelphia: 14 percent. • Harris County (Houston): 13 percent. • Dade County (Miami): 6 percent.

  • Third, why does he not use the entire years of Joe's tenure. Why does he start at 1996 when Joe's service starts at 1993.

The bottom line is right in his report, but he and you ignore it.

During the reign of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, research requested and provided from the coroner's office showed 157 deaths. In and of itself, the number is not necessarily out of line with jail deaths in other jurisdictions.

You say "good for Soros!"

We know, we know.

Votescam

And presumably "Commoner" is out to alibi for Arpaio and Trump racism.

Note that I put "suicides" in quotes.

There are many questions about all of this, like why should there be any "deaths/suicides" in our prisons?

Why aren't prisoners given health care and health check up when they are arrested in order to prevent these deaths?

But that is an estimate, because the truth is that no outside authority keeps track of how many people die from brutality, neglect, disease, bad health, or old age in Arpaio's jails.

And I'm sure the racial breakdown would also be interesting.

Commoner

So is Hispanic Arizona state Senator Steve Montenegro, who is running for AZ Secretary of State racists against himself?

http://stevemontenegro.com/

Or does he just believe in law and order so America doesn't become a lawless country like the lawless countries the illegal immigrants are leaving?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PswjydxXew

What do you have against immigrant children staying home with their parents so they don't get raped and enslaved on their trek here? Or are you okay with them being trafficked? Because the kids Obama invited up here are the ones being trafficked.

Votescam

Commoner --

If you hadn't been taught so well to hate others, you might give some real thought to what the US/CIA government has been doing throughout the world to create violence and poverty.

You might also give some real though to the reality that it isn't commoners who are running this nation ... it's Elites. And they profit when slave wages and illegal immigrants are forced here. And, of course, that's been true of Trump.

Do you ever ask yourself why we have children being sexually abused and raped and trafficked in this country you seem to be so proud of?

Try reading something about Arpaio's jails and see if you still want to join in applauding Arpaio and Trump in their childishness and arrogance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jails

Also don't see how you've missed understanding that the US/CIA has been supporting and creating "lawless countries" and dictatorships - and our fake Drug War has played a large role in that.

Gothamgirl

I think this sheriff knows some things, and was forced to look the other way and jailed on some bs. How does a sheriff go to jail for harassing an illegal? I bet Trump did this intentionally. Pizzagate is finally being brought into the public. What the MSM has done they cannot undo. Give it a few weeks the tides are changing.

DeathTooMasons

"forced to look the other way"....yeah, like he listens to anybody. I thought he was a straight shooter. So what he does is not his fault? So covering up child sex crimes is now somebody else fault? I blame the police, and in PG I blame the FBI and media. You won't allow the evidence about these people be used. Which means you have an agendfa.

Gothamgirl

I was talking about the cop, and by the looks of the pedo logos on different sheriffs badges, we have seen, he definitely wasn't the only one protecting pedos, if he was at all. How do we know he wasn't setup to begin with? Maybe he was threatened? Maybe he is going to do good with the information he knows. Harrassing illegals and goes to jail how does that even make sense? Maybe he fucked up someones money and in return the Judge fucked him. We don't know.

Commoner

Do you blame Obama and the democrats?

Gothamgirl

Not for this particular story, if your comment was directed towards me. I see evil on both sides. Before Trump it was 2 sides run by the same corporation. Not everyone caught up in this is to blame either. Before Trump ran he was more Democrat then Republican. He ran as a Republican to beat Hillary otherwise he wouldn't have won. Did you miss how Bernie was cheated?

Commoner

sorry if it came off that way. it was not directed to you gothamgirl. it was for deathtomasons.

Gothamgirl

You didn't seem rude at all. I just thought your question was for me, and I didn't write my answer to be rude either. Guess thats where I am at now. I am trying to be patient with Trump. He needed to get things in order thats understandable. Hopefully he starts hustling on this, shills are eating this up.

darkknight111

If this has ties to illegals and ammnesty, then the question of how much of this can be tied to Obama and his DOJ (who have known skeletons in their closests).

Soros has also been pushing for open borders so the question of how much Soros influence in undermining the investigations was there.

Lastly, projection is a known deep state MO.

adaya

warehouses full of undocumented children essentially disappeared from AZ during Obama's last 2 yrs. Allegations of rape. Then sanctuary cities and Obama's stale mate Congress face. Never any real details where the kids went. I watched story locally. This and Silsby edged me off the partisan train. Power is corruption . Not hoping for any "good" politicians. Praying on unleveraged enforcement, beyond blackmail. Where's the by the book jerk that's always trying to ruin buddy cop movies?

mrohm

Not doubting you but, proof of these warehouses?

adaya

No worries! Stay skeptical 😊

Snapshot links. Was framed in msm as Obama forcing AZ to take in immigrants. As it wore on, the fact that it never reached any "think about the children" fevered pitch started to ware on my conscience. 48,000 undocumented children. Logistically, how tf does one or two sentences on "re-uniting" children to families even begin to address the end of the story. 48,000 children showed up in the desert 🌵 & fell off the map. I will find more links re: cps in AZ. Not good, a lot of corruption. To further support the wtf ? How is this a solution...

Side bars would be immigration policy, why are so many kids by themselves, and false allegations of sexual misconduct to stay in country... All worthy of further discussion. For now:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/2014/06/06/arizona-illegal-immigrant-children-brewer/10113105/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-feds-stop-shipping-immigrants-texas-n125116

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/06/19/media-gets-disappointing-look-at-tx-and-az-immigrant-detention-centers/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/01/girl-immigrants-us-border-rape-abuse-courage

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-border-patrol-agent-accused-of-punching-detained-mexican-boy-2014-9

xjfjsss sad http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/undocumented-children-immigrants-abuse-complaint/index.html

gamepwn

Thats pretty big! You should create a thread on it I might myself. The government is litterally moving thousands of children across the border to "Detention centers" and makeshift sites. Something fishy going on for sure

pby1000

One of his deputies, Dave Hendershott, was linked to some sort of porn studio. I recall there was an allegation of child abuse, but I cannot seem to find that link. I think I saw it last fall sometime after Pizzagate broke.

SecondAmendment

Excellent post, as usual, @Commoner ! Thank you for taking the time to piece this all together. Upvoat City.

Commoner

Thanks.

TrishaUK

SICK PIGS! They always tell us what they were up to, but deflect it onto the opposition! Russia Russia Russia, when its them colluding with russia, voter fraud and riots, when its them who committed voter fraud and incite/encourage riots/violence...etc., WELL we knew it was coming, time to turn it back on them and shine the light on them that are the real perpetrators. The fact they are reporting it is proof to us that its Fake News, they lie lie lie., PLEASE can someone please release photo/video proof of the sick pedos. So they can't deny it. We know there is evidence out there, because thats how they blackmail people.

cstrafe

It would be interesting to watch the mainstream media start talking about pizzagate and how legit it is after branding it fake news only a few months ago.

quantokitty

Well, of course!

The Cannibal Elite start a false narrative and the shills are over it like HRC on Haiti.

Thanks for pointing this out, though.

DonKeyhote

LMAO this entire episode is beyond asinine, but mostly your wry, faggy 4-D chess larp against the "shills." Theres far better evidence for Trump being a PGer -- mostly his HAVING THRUST HIS 13yo DAUGHTER INTO MODELING DIRECTLY UNDER A KNOWN PEDOPHILE

new4now

Do you have a link for that?

This one says different

Ivanka soon ended up at the prestigious Choate Rosemary Hall in Wallingford, Connecticut.Though her older brother found boarding school a relief, Ivanka told Town & Country: “I just wanted to get the hell out of Wallingford” – and she did, sort of, by becoming a model at age 14.

She first had to make a deal with her parents – they told her she could model as long as she got the school’s permission, didn’t miss classes and maintained her grades. The school, she wrote in her book, was harder to convince, but she used the fact that “they’d granted similar leave to a student who was training to be an Olympic skier, so I used precedent to my advantage and got what I wanted”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/28/ivanka-trump-donald-model-real-estate-election

LA_Trump

The opposite of everything Donkey Hole says is true. Thanks Donkey Hole!

twistedmac11

Except Trump DID sign Ivanka up for her first modeling contract with a known pedophile, who ran an agency that has been accused of trafficking children to elites. Why the fuck do you just conveniently ignore that fact?

LA_Trump

Maybe you don't understand. John Casablanca was a household name back in the 90s. No one understood any of this shit back then. This modeling agency would prey on the naivety of parents by having reps in every single mall in America. Even billionaires couldn't see this shit for what it was.

twistedmac11

Maybe you don't understand. New York Magazine did a front page profile on him and his "tendencies" in 1988 . He MOVED IN with a 16 year old. People, ESPECIALLY those in the modeling world (like Trump is/was), knew. Casablancas was also on the board at Trump Realty Brazil . Trump isn't stupid, right? Or can he be stupid when it works for you? He knew.

LA_Trump

If that's your only "evidence", then your argument is embarrassingly thin. There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Trump is purging the pedo-elite. Because that's exactly what is going to happen.

twistedmac11

Oh okay, so we can just ignore that stuff and assume Trump didn't do his research on who owned the company that he signed his daughter's contract with? Got it. Next time I have a potential connection, I'll ping you, and you can tell me whether it's worthy of attention or if it can be ignored. LOL. Your "overwhelming evidence" is...what? His pretty words & speeches? What elites has he arrested? Where are his actions? Has anything come of the grand investigations that he's supposedly started? No? Why do you think that is? It's called a psyop.

LA_Trump

It takes longer than 8 months to eliminate a 2000 year old cult. Keep up!

twistedmac11

No one is asking him to eliminate a 2000 year old cult in 8 months. It doesn't take 8 months to make ONE arrest. But, nothing. But yay! He says what you like to hear! Who needs actions when words mean so much? Lol, what a joke. One doesn't just 'surprise' their way into the presidency. Keep up!

LA_Trump

So what would you do, dumbass? You'd make ONE ARREST, too early, too impatient, too shallow. You'd miss your mark and get us all killed. You have zero idea what you're talking about. Thank god people like you are not running the counter coup, because you do not understand how to win.

twistedmac11

Lol, right. Whatever helps you sleep at night. If you're seriously that gullible to take his word for it without anything else, that makes YOU the dumbass, not me. ANYONE in a position of power who claims to fight elite child trafficking should be investigated. Many (if not all) are limited hangouts. Do your research on Ted Gunderson, for example. But hey, if you refuse to open your eyes, that's on you.

LA_Trump

You have no idea the information I am privy to. You have no idea what's going on. Get on board now, or get left at the station. People who abandon the truth movement in its final hour because they have a weird, confounding disdain for Trump will feel really stupid when it's all said and done.

twistedmac11

So we're supposed to accept unnamed sources from you, random person on the internet? Okay, CNN.

LA_Trump

You should listen to the President. He knows exactly what he's doing.

twistedmac11

So, again, we're supposed to accept words over action? We're going round and round here. You do you bro.

LA_Trump

Action is happening. Trump is surrounded by 4 star marine generals and evangelicals who hold weekly bible study at the WH. They are well aware of what's happened to America, and they are leading the counter-coup to save her before it's too late. Only way to do that is mass disclosure, which is imminent, before the end of 2017

twistedmac11

Trump is surrounded by 4 star marine generals and evangelicals who hold weekly bible study at the WH.

I don't buy into the religion stuff, so that statement does nothing for me. But, again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

LA_Trump

YOU may not care about religion, but the people who've run this country, the people who are responsible for 9/11, the people who have perpetrated Pizzagate... they are devoutly religious.

twistedmac11

"They" are satanic/lucifarian/etc. And yes, I understand separating my beliefs from theirs. However, what I'm trying to say is that Trump having a group in the WH that prays to the Christian God doesn't make me believe 'arrests are imminent' or any other BS like that.

LA_Trump

It should, because for the first time in ages, we don't have a bunch of pedophiles running the country.

twistedmac11

So because he has a prayer group, he's not a pedophile? What an ignorant statement. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

LA_Trump

He's not a pedophile BECAUSE HE IS NOT A PEDOPHILE.

twistedmac11

What a logical, well-thought out statement. Bravo. You'll figure it out someday. I'm out, I've wasted enough time going in circles with you.

SChalice

"weekly bible study at the WH"

ROFL is that old testament or new?

equineluvr

Old. :)

DeathTooMasons

You are worse than him. I see what you are doing but others don't. Donkey is more obvious, but you do more damage.

LA_Trump

What am I doing? How exactly am I doing damage? You're cucked by fake news, cucked by cynicism. You're dead wrong about everything.

srayzie

I agree. Donkey told me he's one of the top researchers here 😂

TrishaUK

hahaha!

TrishaUK

Yes, we sussed out all the Donkey.......trolls months ago, but the same as we know we are on to a sure thing when MSM spouts their Fake News, Donkey.....blah blah is our personal voat MSM Fake News!! I'll give you one plus DonkeyButtHole, you are persistant!

DonKeyhote

Jesus christ you women have got to fuck off YESTERDAY. Naive, arrogant, semiliterate bitches are such a drag on progress. Btw Ivankas modeling agency: ELITE MODELING, "Elite" being israeli-controlled CIA codeword that all you morons continue to miss. LOL!

argosciv

I admit to my error and apologize, do please consider this before labelling me a shill. Enough damage has been done already.

LA_Trump

All over Reddit and Twitter too. Shills are totally desperate. Global elite is toast. We've already won. It's going to be truly sad as we watch the squirm and lie, lie, lie throughout their trials.

153sdsd

Yes we are winning, keep up the good fight

DeathTooMasons

You screen namre, you gullible shilling for the Trump vs Deep state psyop and your intentionally refusing to acknowledge the facts about Trump expose you as a disinfo OP.

SecondAmendment

Cannot wait, @LA_Trump . PREACH!

Long_Knife

We've already won

How exactly? Trump isn't going to do anything about pg. Not sure why this sub tries to make him out to be some sort of pg savior.

SayWhatNOWAY

Go do to yourself what Mooch said Bannon could do to himself!

Votescam

True and that's a long time myth that refuses to die.

LA_Trump

Wrong.

Long_Knife

Concise and well thought out reply.

TrishaUK

We've won because they have just put pg into the public arena, and they are going to have to talk about pg if they are going to accuse Trump and Arpaio. Something you seem to have missed, MSM have been ignoring pg or anything to do with trafficking by their silence.

PresudentMcCheese

"We've won"

These pedo shills let it slip every time. How many kids has Trump saved? ZERO. The only winners are the billionaire pedos like Epstein and his buddy Trump. You WILL be caught and punished for your crimes against children. YOU HAVE NOT WON YET!!!!

PeaceDogg

Trump sure has a funny way of treating his "buddies." He banned Epstein from Mar a Lago.

Commoner

How many children did Obama traffic into the US with his open borders, 'come on in kids' policy? Trump has already saved thousands of kids. Why do you ignore the elephant in the room and focus on some dust on the table.

We know why, we know why.

DeathTooMasons

No they haven't. The normies still haven't a clue and Sheriff Joes has been accused of covering up child sex cases for years. A simple google search using the date feature exposes this to be fact. So you either have done zero research, or you are intentionally misleading. So factually, we can say the Sheriff who for years has been accused of covering up child sex crimes, was pardoned by Trump. The Same Trump who was in Epsteins black book and went to pedo island with Hillary. And the same Trump that is a Jesuit and a zionsist. The same Trump who has not done anything about PG, or mentioned it even, or done anything about Hillary as he promissed, of fired Yellen as he promissed, or stoped funding the military industrial complex as he promissed etc etc. You are discredited.

TrishaUK

Are you wearing your 'pussy hat' as you type this?

PresudentMcCheese

Pedos can't help but talk about Pussy hats while 2 year olds get raped and the police look the other way.

Commoner

We don't enable pedophiles and trafficking in children like you do defending Soros Hillary and Media Matters.

Long_Knife

You seem to have missed what "we win" actually means.

TrishaUK

Okay, if LA_Trump means the Elite think they have 'won' - makes no difference, I'm saying 'we've won' because its the link we needed to bring this out in the MSM 'for discussion'. Oh and by the way, if you think President Trump will not say/do anything while they accuse him of being a pedophile, I think you have a surprise coming!

TrishaUK

Have you not watched anything for the past 8 months? Everytime they fling poop at President Trump the fan blows it up in their face 100% harder! This is the springboard we have been waiting for, them to expose it out in the media. Now the can of worms has been opened to the public and we get to watch them eat them!

Long_Knife

Everytime they fling poop at President Trump the fan blows it up in their face 100% harder!

That has nothing to do with pg. Nothing has been "won".

SayWhatNOWAY

You' re not too bright, are you?

hatecrime

yes, they are delusional.