Thank you so much!

For everyone that takes issue with Jung in this post:

Jung is one very small part of a very large body of research here. Please read all of the research to understand the scope of this. Even if you totally disgaree with me mentioning him, he is one very small part of a huge amount of research that needs further investigation. None of my posts before this one mentioned Jung. So I am hardly on a warpath against him.

Please research this yourself, it's important.

For all you Jungians out there I have a few words. Yes he did appear as if he was differentiating himself from Freud but was he? Look a little deeper.

Dr. Carl Jung was actually a double agent working for the OSS (CIA) Dulles. He would get the wealthy (almost always female) to tell him their strories through Analysis and then feed that info to Dulles if the CIA.

His history is very well hidden. Not saying he is the monster Freud was but their is a sanitized version of him for a reason. I knew someone who was a personal confidant and can prove it.

What @9217 wrote is correct.

The Tavistock and Portsman Foundation Trust https://tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/who-we-are/history/

Among the most influential figures in the history of the Tavistock Clinic was Dr Wilfred Bion. With fellow army psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Dr John Rickman, Bion pioneered a therapeutic community for soldiers, and a method of group selection of officers which became the War Office Selection Board.

The legacy of Wilfred Bion : http://www.psychoanalysis-and-therapy.com/human_nature/glover/chap4.html

This chapter will look at Bion's development of Freud and Klein's metapsychology and the impact of his ideas on current aesthetic debate, largely developed through the work of Donald Meltzer.

Very recently there was a UK television programme called "Make or Break" which included an Esalen sex therapist :

Make or Break: Fans in shock over sex therapist Louise Mazanti and her X-Rated comments about Elle and Jess

MAKE or Break viewers were left in shock by the new arrival on the Channel 5 dating programme.

Louise Mazanti / Esalen : https://www.esalen.org/person/louise-mazanti

Louise Mazanti works in private practice as a psychotherapist specializing in sex and intimacy issues using Psychosexual Somatics®. She is also an international teacher together with her husband, Mike Lousada. Danish-born, Louise holds degrees in art and design theory and Psychosynthesis Counseling.

Sad to see Carl Jung's name tainted in this article here because of his early association with Freud. They were two very different psychoanalysts. Jung split from Freud because of Freud's obsession with sex and insistence with filtering all human experience through that lens. He developed a more spiritual approach to psychology as well as the concepts of the collective unconscious distinguishing it from the personal unconscious of Freudian psychoanalysis. He argued that the collective unconscious had profound influence on the lives of individuals, who lived out its symbols and clothed them in meaning through their experiences.. There is a vast chasm between Freudian and Jungian psychotherapists and psychoanalysts which lasts to this day.

Here is a link with a very simple summary about the two men https://www.simplypsychology.org/psychodynamic.html

Jung's close collaboration with Freud lasted until 1913. Jung had become increasingly critical of Freud's exclusively sexual definition of libido and incest. The publication of Jung's Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido (known in English as The Psychology of the Unconscious) led to a final break.

From Wikipedia :

Critics of the collective unconscious concept

They mean Freudians

have called it unscientific and fatalistic, or otherwise very difficult to test scientifically (due to the mythical aspect of the collective unconscious) for those faith-based scientists.[2] Proponents suggest that it is borne out by findings of psychology, neuroscience, and anthropology.

Meaning: can no longer hide the fact that neuroscience and other scientific disciplines are corroborating Jung's theories.

The world of psychology is still largely dominated by Freudian disciples. Please don't get the two men and their work confused. It would be a huge disservice to Jung.

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I just hope this gives people an idea of where to start looking, etc, rather than fill in every gap and answer every question in and of itself.

Beginning of post:

"this anonymous poster, who stated that a fundamental purpose of Esalen and the work of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell there was to "create Messiahs" - this is another way of phrasing what I called in previous posts "controlling the controllers." It can be seen in the creation of cult leaders, as much as in political puppets like Macron. This reference to 'creating messiahs' is also a way of referencing the creation of multiple personality disorder in cultural and political leaders (or cult leaders).

As the anonymous poster observes, major figures in psychoanalysis like Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell were involved with Esalen. Whereas my previous posts on Esalen described its association with the CIA, OSS and Tavistock, this final section will examine and attempt to provide context for shamanistic style ritual abuse which may take place at Esalen and associated centers.

In doing so, we see that figures like Paul Rebillot and Joh Weir Perry bridge Esalen, the Human Potential Movement and the work Campbell and Jung. Rebillot's focus on ritual and association with Findhorn as well as the works of Joseph Campbell inform an understanding on the focus at Esalen on shamanic cultures and rituals, as does Weir Perry's work and related groups."