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Vindicator

@RweSure : You've established no connection here to the PG investigation. Sorry, gotta take it down. Rule 1.

RweSure

We just learned that the Trump campaign was discussing the Clinton Foundation during the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians. Hundreds of threads on this board involve the Clinton Foundation

The Trump Tower meeting was said to be about adopting children. Dozens of threads were made just about this one meeting.

Well we just learned more information about two common subjects of this board.

Also there's a claim on this board that the Clinton Foundation is the vehicle for trafficking. That is an inherent connection.

There's is further claims that we are on the verge of high level arrests.......all this activity shows the White House and DOJ is going to be preoccupied in coming weeks.

Another claim on this board is that the "Deep State" is behind pedogate and the Russian investigation is solely a way of "The Deep State" trying to keep from being exposed.

If you remember, pizzagate started with the release of John Podesta's emails which the "Deep State" is unanimous in their opinion occurred as part of a Russian hacking campaign designed to hurt Clinton and favor Trump in the election.

This board would not exist without the issues I posted about.

Vindicator

Yes...but you need to include that in the post, not just assume everyone understands. New folks may not. Also, under the current rules, all posts require that explanation:

3: Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content and must establish direct relevance to pizzagate.

You are welcome to repost, spelling out the connection.

RweSure

you know what?

can you add that as a field when you post?

Or just a text instruction. It would probably cut down on needed to intervene.

Vindicator

I often do. But not every time. It does get tiresome. The rules are there for all to see. :-)

RweSure

probably will.

Even more stuff came out today.

Are_we__sure

Daily Beast just reported Mueller is working with the criminal division of the IRS. Which means a tax crime was found. Manafort seems a likely suspect here, but it could be others.

Dressage2

More shit spewing out of your pie hole . . .

Commoner

Yep, you are right. Lot of stuff about to break

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2099452

Jem777

Hey @RweSure is Mueller going to ask James Comey why he lied and was drafting a no charge document on HRC prior to interviews with 17 key witnesses including her according to his own chief of staff under oath.

Dressage2

Also, we want to know why he would give immunity deals to those treasonous crooks when he never planned to charge the High Priestess. All a big cluster fuck set-up and they wonder why we are fed up with their corruption.

AngB23

Confused. A) this deals with Pizzagate how? B) this hasn't been deleted why? C) why anyone believes or watches mainstream media anymore

SoSpricyHotDog

While all of this may very well be true, you are simply regurgitating the mainstream media's only remaining attacks... and their track record is pathetic at best in terms of the attacks that "stick". Yet, no apologies, retractions or clarifications are ever issued.

Let's assume everything you posted is true. You have to understand that as a hyper-critic on Voat, you dismiss nearly everything related to Pizzagate/Pedogate/DNC corruption/Seth Rich and attempt to "explain away" all of the circumstance/evidence/wrongdoing of the left. Now we see your true colors. You are very quick to "take the bait" from the mainstream... and while very active on this channel, you dismiss everything else.

While you are a very talented debunker, and gave me some serious information to think about re: Building 7, the speed at which you take the anti-Right media seriously vs. instantly declaring everything anti-Left as a crazy conspiracy with no validity... really makes it seem like you are much more of a pro-establishment leftist than an objective debunker.

Just my $0.02 to explain the optics around how you're presenting yourself.

Also, for what it's worth, everything in your pro-CNN post is literally a series of attacks against Trump/his administration, and none of them have anything whatsoever to do with Pizzagate (Russian hacking would, but, older Russian financial deals/sanctions/Sheriff Joe? Ehhhh... not so much) . That would be a violation of Rule #1.

Are_we_sure

The Clinton Foundation and adoption have been the subject of thousands of Posts on here as has the actions of "the Deep State."

Let's assume everything you posted is true.

Yeah. Let's do that.

Question for you, this is a news post about recent developments. Why do you claim they are attacks?

SoSpricyHotDog

I claim that they are "attacks" because you cherry picked random articles that focus on the negative aspects of Trump. You then jumped to the totally unrelated topic of Sheriff Joe Arpaio based purely on an assumption that it was a precursor to RussiaGate pardons.

And again, throughout the entire post, there is literally nothing related to Pizzagate or Pedogate... it was centered on the Russian collusion claims, claims that have largely been abandoned by the ADHD MSM due to the shit-level desperation attempt to link breadcrumbs to some sort of strange Russian collusion narrative the seeps into every facet of our domestic media.

Could there have been Russian deals? Influence? Funding? Quite possibly. Yes! Maybe!

Can we use Russia to explain away the DNC "hacks" despite all real information pointing to a domestic leak? No! Sorry!

Does the worst case scenario of Russian ties to Trump and his Admin even begin to scratch the surface of comparative politics at the level of corruption we can tie to Clinton, Podesta/Skippy, Comey, Lynch, Holder, Rice, WJC, Sid B., McCabe, etc? No! Sorry!

If you placed the scale of justice on a flat surface and placed the two groups on each side, Trump and his Admin would be launched into the stratosphere from the incredible amount of corruption/collusion from the opposite side. You've also got to include the weight added from Pizza/Pedo Gate... the Awan scandal, the DNC leaks/theft, DWS (noodle head), Shawn Lucas, Seth Rich, possible wiretapping, foreign donations to HRC, Clinton Foundation, Haiti... and I'm just going to give up at that point.

But I'm sure you can explain this all away. Because WE are the crazy conspiracy theorists... right? Not the guy desperately clutching to the final few strands of the RussiaGate theory, which began as the claim of a total Russian takeover, and has been a full fledged media brainwash attack 24-7 for 9 months, resulting in exactly jack shit to show for it aside from a few old business deals and a meeting where they wanted dirt on HRC.

So, that's why I claim they are attacks. They have nothing to do with the focal point and they are a total waste of time in comparison to the corruption on the other side of the aisle.

Are_we_sure

Of course, I did not "cherry-pick" articles. And of course they were not "random." My point was the special prosecutor's investigation of Team Trump was heating up and they were all evidence of that. 3 or 4 different folks I follow on Twitter were saying some big stories were going to come out. These were folks who might be called by reporters for comments on stories.

Even as I was writing up that post, stuff was coming out. Every link I posted is either from yesterday or the past like 10 days.

The Pardon of Arpaio is not totally unrelated and yes, it's speculation on RussiaGate pardons, but the special prosecutor working with a state district attorney is a very unusual act. Why would that be happening? This is not just me speculating on this. Lots of reports are discussing this as a signal to potential witnesses. Trump's firing of Comey showed he was willing to overstep norms and use his powers to defend his friends and his family. That and the pardon can be read as signals. The federal special prosecutor working with the state AG of the State where Trump Tower meeting took place can be read as another.

The Releation to Pizzagate is the John Podesta's emails were released due to a widespread Russian hacking and information campaign designed to hurt the Clinton Campaign and bolster the Trump campaign. The investigation is about whether the Trump campaign was involved. The Trump Tower meeting shows they were willing to meet people who were said to be bringing damaging info on the Clintons with the blessing of the Russian goverment. Yesterday's news showed that this involved the Clinton Foundation which many people on here claim that is involved in child trafficking.

It was centered on the Russian collusion claims, claims that have largely been abandoned by the ADHD MSM

Um, that is no true. You (and the media you choose) have simply convinced yourselves of that. Everything I posted yesterday shows this is not abandoned. News sites react to news, and they then do further investigations to develop stories. That is what is happening here. A lot of news just came out.

Does the worst case scenario of Russian ties to Trump and his Admin even begin to scratch the surface of comparative politics at the level of corruption we can tie to Clinton, Podesta/Skippy, Comey, Lynch, Holder, Rice, WJC, Sid B., McCabe, etc? No! Sorry!

To quote a dear friend of mine, to me this sounds like the "desperate clutching" of straws. By the way are you aware that you are claiming my post wasn't relevant and among the reasons you cite are the DNC leaks/theft, foreign donations to HRC and the Clinton Foundation? We now know that all of these are tied into that Trump Tower meeting I posted because of the news that just broke.

If you want to write that post, go right ahead. Otherwise, this is just a big case of "Whattaboutism."

As for where the investigation is, it seems to be significantly closer to the President as witnessed by the action of his own lawyers who are acting because they know a very good case of obstruction of justice is coming.

My guess is my post sounds so shocking to you, because it not part of your media ecosphere.

Cheers. AWS

Commoner

Question for you, this is a news post about recent developments.

NO!!

Jem777

DISINFO.....are you fucking joking, excuse my French. You had the nerve to say "no foreigners can donate to American elections" Where do you think HRC money came from besides Saudi Arabia and every other damn country who thought they could pay for favors.

Give us a fucking break. Mueller might want to start by having a press conference and stating the truth about 9/11, Iraq, Bengahazi, Fast & Furious, IRS targeting, the Awan brothers, HRC emails etc.

RweSure

Just because you want to put your fingers in your ears and go LALALALALALALALALALALA doesn't make the information I'm posting disinfo.

For example Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen has admitted he emailed Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman asking for Putin's help with this real estate deal.

darkknight111

Is that what your msn sources (aka fake news) is telling you?

Fake news doesn't count as a reliable source, therefore anything you claim is a lie.

We're not plugging our ears either. Projection much???? Typical of a leftist shill like you.

Jem777

Which again confirms that not only are you spreading disinfo. you are an insider with access to information very few in the entire world would know. That being true makes what you are doing a criminal matter.

Are_we_sure

What are you talking about? I just pasted half a dozen links to various public news stories. Also on what planet would this be illegal?

Commoner

Sooooooo?

RweSure

OK. One of the folks on Twitter just mentioned what he was referring to when he said stuff was coming out today

Seems like there is an active obstruction of justice case against the President.

Trump Attorneys Lay Out Arguments Against Obstruction-of-Justice Probe to Mueller Lawyers for Donald Trump have met several times with special counsel Robert Mueller in recent months and submitted memos arguing that the president didn’t obstruct justice by firing former FBI chief James Comey and calling into question Mr. Comey’s reliability as a potential witness, In meetings and memos, lawyers argue president didn’t obstruct justice by firing former FBI Chief Comey

Commoner

One of the folks on Twitter

AUSure?

Commoner

That is old news. Trump can fire who he wants to. You can whine all you want. But he can do it anyway.

Are_we_sure

That's the argument Trump's lawyers are trying. Along with saying Comey's an unreliable witneess.

But can't fire someone for illegal puposes like to shut down their investigation of your campaign.

Commoner

Wow, did firing Howdy Doody shut down the investigation? I must have missed that.

RweSure

A former DOJ lawyer said this means Trumps lawyers see a real good chance obsruction of justice charges will be brought.

Commoner

Good. 100 % chance Trump is reelected.

RweSure

Did I forget Felix Sater? I think I forgot Felix Sater. I don't remember if I commented or posted about Felix Sater.

Felix Sater is the convicted felon (and FBI informant and possibly CIA informant too) who worked on real estate projects with Trump from about 2002 onwards. Trump Soho was their big deal. Felix Sater knows Trump's lawyer Cohen from way back. He seems to be talking to prosecutors as well, because the NY Times got ahold of his emails. Emails that were not denied by the Trump Organization or Michael Cohen. The emails show that Trump was trying to do build a Trump Tower Moscow at the the same time he was running for President.

A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.

The associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin. He predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would highlight Mr. Trump’s savvy negotiating skills and be a political boon to his candidacy.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html

A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.

The associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin. He predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would highlight Mr. Trump’s savvy negotiating skills and be a political boon to his candidacy.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

Cohen wanted Putin's help on this business deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-trump-organization-executive-reached-out-to-putin-aide-for-help-on-business-deal/2017/08/28/095aebac-8c16-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.d109799c53ca

Top Trump Organization executive asked Putin aide for help on business deal

A top executive from Donald Trump’s real estate company emailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s personal spokesman during the U.S. presidential campaign last year to ask for help advancing a stalled Trump Tower development project in Moscow, according to documents submitted to Congress on Monday.

The request came in a mid-January 2016 email from Michael Cohen, one of Trump’s closest business advisers, who asked longtime Putin lieutenant Dmitry Peskov for assistance in reviving a deal that Cohen suggested was languishing.

“Over the past few months I have been working with a company based in Russia regarding the development of a Trump Tower-Moscow project in Moscow City,” Cohen wrote to Peskov, according to a person familiar with the email. “Without getting into lengthy specifics, the communication between our two sides has stalled.

DonovanKeyhote

SO EVERYONE CALLS YOU "MOST OBVIOUS SHILL EVER" BUT DONT SEE HOW THE ONE THING YOU WONT DO IS NAME THE JEW, LOL! Sater was Chabads man of the year, the radical zionist sect the Kushners belong to

Must read: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Are_we_sure

And steal your thunder?

Also I was thinking that would go well with the Bloomberg News Story on Jared Kusher's desperate attempt to raise a billion dollars to pay off the Mortgage on 666 5th Avenue.

2impendingdoom

Any malfeasance occurring with Sater is past statue of limitations for charges to be brought

Are_we_sure

And you can use that information as supporting evidence for other charges.

RweSure

2016 is not past the statue of limitations.

2impendingdoom

Sater can say whatever he wants, but there have to be emails from Trump that prove a crime and involvement and I don't believe that you will find any. Non-msm/CIA articles about Sater all agree that Trump has not worked with Sater in many many years beyond SOL, otherwise this would have come out in the primary.

You can easily find these more truthful articles with google, so go look. I'm not digging for you. You made the assertion, so you must prove your point.

Are_we_sure

Dude Michael Cohen has admitted the emails with Sater are Authentic.

Michael Cohen himself emailed the Kremlin seeking help.

2impendingdoom

you should know that both the Washington Post and the NYT are CIA and not credible sources.

DonovanKeyhote

Thats your reaction to a mossad spy being trumps business partner?

2impendingdoom

the law is the law

LongDongKeyhote

LOL nobody cares about all this drama you stupid faggot! And mueller is corrupt and trump is a shill for the jews and so is putin

RweSure

And speaking of the RNC, the chief of staff just resigned, one of 6 RNC staffers to quit this month.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/31/rnc-chief-of-staff-resigns-amid-rash-of-departures-242212

Seems like folks don't want to stick around to answer reporter's questions on this.

Commoner

Good. The entire RNC should resign and go work for DWS

2impendingdoom

lol

EricKaliberhall

Disinformation flare needed!

RweSure

Another aspect Mueller is looking into the Trump team response to the Trump Tower meeting. It started with them lying about it and then ended with Donald Trump Jr. releasing his email saying that juicy dirt on Clinton was promised and it was coming from the Government of Russia.

We learned that the President himself had a hand in the early response to the story, that is the lies about the Trump Tower meeting.

https://www.axios.com/report-mueller-focusing-on-whether-trump-tried-covering-up-don-jr-russia-meeting-2478905957.html

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's federal investigators are zeroing in on the president's role in responding to reports that his son, Donald Trump Jr., met with a Russian government lawyer in Trump Tower last year, "three sources familiar with the matter" told NBC News. They're interested in learning what Trump knew about the meeting and whether he tried to hide its purpose.

If the President made a "knowingly false statement," could lead to legal charges he was engaged in a coverup.

Commoner

That will happen right after Obama is held accountable for lying about Obamacare and Hillary about her emails.

Dressage2

Let's not forget his unmasking of innocent Americans, sending taxpayer money to Israel to fund booting Netanyahu in his election, freeing Taliban to free a traitor, allow Iran to move forward on nuclear weapons, oh damn it! The list is endless.

Commoner

Well the Russian lobbyist who was part of that Trump Tower meeting testified before the Robert Mueller's grand jury.

Now you are believing the Russians! So there must not be anything wrong with colluding with them right? Good honest Russians! Media Matter really needs to pick a 'story' and stick with it.

RweSure

????

Where does it say that? The part where I talk about him lying about being Russian Intel?

equineluvr

Damaging news to any administration is almost always reported on Fridays and holidays, when folks aren't paying attention to the news.

Dressage2

That was a consideration prior to social media such as Twitter. Now everything is news in seconds. Can't hide from the truth anymore.

2impendingdoom

LOL, today is Thursday.

Dressage2

LOL that is so damn funny😂😂😂

equineluvr

Close enough, retard.

It's not Monday.

Jem777

It is so classic when your argument is broken down to calling people retard. The Jew, crypto Jew thing is kind of boring so you and your alters go straight to Retard....hysterical

darkknight111

Your sources are msn, aka fake news. Therefore this thread is BS.

@Millennial_Falcon requesting a disinfo or debunked flare. Post is also from a known shill, so the likely hood of this being disinfo or outright lies is certain.

You to this day refuse to answer why you have the need to have 3+ accounts. Honest users have no need for that many. Thus you are a shill just trying to farm upvoats for yourself.

You never answer when pressed about those audit differences Dark Math kept grilling you about.

You never answer when pressed about known Clinton Foundation ties to the "White Phosphorous Incident" Dark Math kept grillin you about.

Downvoat just for being a shill.