StSimonTrentPray4Us

There is straw-man cases not to be confused with straw-man arguments. It is where a smaller case is run through to distract and diminish the larger case. Clinton's perfected this. For example Monica Lewinsky case was promoted to distract from Paula Jones etc rape charges. They are using this technique daily in the pizzagate investigations by hyping up lessor statutory infractions. Understandably, genuine pizzagate researchers are easily caught by this. Cases like Jerod Fogle and Anthony Weiner were probably strategically outed and hyped in the news as strawman cases similiar to Monica Lewinsky. They are more like category 2 scandals where pizzagate has its own category 6 level.

jw4vc

This season, Anti-semetism started off as the biggest theme but misogyny is growing. A huge spike of flat earth, moon denial, and 911 truther tinfoil has saturated the threads as well. I suspect the Huma Abedine foia has triggered some of this. Not long before pizzagate makes the news again but with a juicy alt-right/nazi subscript and all of these saturated threads in the article.

It is really surreal to watch this happen. Major report or break occurs and suddenly all of the p-gate threads look like /conspiracy/ or daily stormer camp-outs.

birthdaysuit11

This is a shill post: https://voat.co/user/hoppyhop/submissions

There are many more. The worst was the obama and trump one tryinf out for a play.

Tanngrisnir

Tons of Obsolete Diversion. Shills will post a thread and then spend a bunch of time bitching about how Pizzagate is a psyop and v/pizzagate is infiltrated.

argosciv

correctamundo

hoppyhop

Very good post and it shows that you really really care about pizzagate victims. Alot of people who are concerned dont have time to learn, lets face it, it takes a chunk out of your time. There is no good enough excuse not to know, there really isnt. Many people will not like me quoting the bible here but if you look up 2 Corinthians 4:4 it tells you what is happening to most peoples minds. It says that the wicked one has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Its amazingly accurate. That can be applied to pizzagate conspiracy theorists, MSM AND the regular person that is blinded is just trying to live thier lives but are distracted by everyday things that are not really important like just watching TV, which by the way will never divulge their united agenda. They are blinding you from real things that matter. I say THEY because it IS an organized effort. When I saw Alex Jones wear a tin foil hat, which is mockery of his site and listeners, I knew that Alex, if he was genuine, would be angry as all get out of even the thought of anyone portraying a tin hat for all his listeners to see, that idea on his show. My gosh Id be ticked off! Would'nt us all? Alex SAYS hes fighting it but his actions say he is somewhere else. The bible also says that by thier fruits you will know them. What is that? It means you can tell who people are serving by their ACTIONS not by what they say. Posts like this on Voat should be in a book about pizzagate.

birthdaysuit11

Great comment. Yes, Alex is a zionist sympathizer, cointelpro agent. Whose only job is to discredit discussion and gatekeep. I realized Jones was a gatekeeper when he mentioned Joe Biden was a pedophile. He referenced a video on his youtube but instead of showing the most obvious scenes of his pedestery, they used my video but used only the ones that most people would find fine. Meaning they cherry picked the scenes that looked normal out of the many that didn't and used them as evidence that he rapes children and eats babies. They are pedophiles themselves. Who would intentionally sift through a damning video to find the least damning of things and use that as the damning evidence in your video. It's classic cointelpro tactics 101.

hoppyhop

HA HA hoppyhop is a shill, whaaa? you came off as a little loveable puppy,,,,,,AWWWWWWWWWWWWW but really you are a lion roving about seeking to devour someone! What happened did a bird cage get ya?

birthdaysuit11

Are you schizo? You're trying to divert attention away from the true premise of this post which directly implicates your shill ass.

hoppyhop

wow, just when I think I know whats happening just to get 10 times worse of the nefarious deeds. These people are dedicated in the worst way and are highly intelligent by the way of manipulation and lying.

GenghisSean

Quality post. I hope the mods sticky or post this in the side panel.

MDE

This is all great information, definitely worthy of being sticky.

birthdaysuit11

MDE, hellll yeah. lets hope the mods sticky but I doubt it seeing they use these same tactics and censor any exposé that is too close to the truth. Look through deletion logs for reference. They delete spam but also legit posts, whilst letting obvious shill posts get to the top.

birthdaysuit11

Many mods could care less. The important thing is to save everything locally like pizza gate wiki before the pedophiles delete it. This sub will die, the whole point of brining it over to voat was to keep it under control.

GenghisSean

So you're in the voat is already compromised camp? I've heard bad things about some of the mods in this sub, but doesn't the modlog stuff make their indiscretions transparent? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission

UgTr2

Sure, voat is transparent like that, but that doesn't mean that there's a process for removing a mod if they start applying their own "special" rules.

birthdaysuit11

It's obvious to me, yes. The mods have been infiltrated. I stated in this post that this kind of retoric is used to sway people and members away from this place, so me stating this is advantagous for their agenda. However, my point is that screen shotting and saving html's is more important. If this sub ever dies we still have steemit, etc and local archives.

Millennial_Falcon

Please add a link, per Rule 2.

birthdaysuit11

Okay, robot who bans good researchers.

darkknight111

Another obvious one I'm seeing here especially in comments by certain shills (we ALL know which shill is doing this, thus needs to be driven out) is "false legal precidence" aka "False Flag Baiting". Said shill is also being horrible to multiple members of the community just because they're women.

RWeSure is under the 17 rules and the MSN related ones.

srayzie

Yes Equineluvr and all 23 of his keyhote alts hate women and Jewish people. He's horrible.

sunajAeon

Lets not confuse mysogeny and spite for the Zionist syndicate that has earned the hate of any Patriot that is awake

birthdaysuit11

Well, he probably doesn't hate jews, he just wants this community to look like nazis.

onamission82nd

Donkeyhote tried that hater s_it with me. He paid the price and got identified on twitter. He's toast.

darkknight111

Interesting. Do tell privately.

onamission82nd

Hi. I just made another submission which was deleted followed by an expletive rant from u know who. I think I know millenial_falcon's alter ego. He's in chicagoland.

onamission82nd

Good morning. Having to take care of family from fla & houston. I have a house full!! Would like to know more about the Khazarians. I never heard of them til I got on voat. Pls tell me more. I haven't heard from donkeyface after I sent him this message: gps....Gps.....GPs........GPS........BOOM....NO MORE DON!!!! #U think he got the memo?

LongDongKeyhote

"Obvious" is it LMAO. This "guide" lists every possible behavior to the point of being utterly useless and ANY CHILD COULD SEE THAT!

You are a blatant larpfag, and a blatant liar since i never say any "gas the kikes" shit -- your weary "false flag" predictions are like predicting rain in the next several months: an accusation impossible for the accused to disprove, no possibility of correct attribution even if the FF, and wide enough timeframe to make likely an attack real or fake.

What an idiot.

birthdaysuit11

Nice post history. This shill is an obvious one and if he isn't then he is using his time to spew fallacies. Might want to look at the difference between my post above and your elementary level shit post.

srayzie

Yeah and all his alts!

darkknight111

This shill is also a narcasist and/or a sociopath with a proven track record of showing an utter lack of empathy/compassion for others. The link below shows that he believes rape is acceptable. Only a sociopath would believe something like that.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1917906/9467518

As to who he shills for...given how he always trys to deny their existance as "illogical" or "too convoluted", he shills for satanists/luciferians (coincidentally enough a group of people who believe rape is acceptable).

Also, his conduct during the CNN Incident (when the shills were on a rampage here, /pol, and on r/donald trying to plant evidence that we're all a bunch of racists in order to discredit us/get us shut down) all the evidence we need to deem him as not on our side.

DanKeyhote

Omg you actually see yourself as a warrior fighting the shill army, like tbe great CNN Battle of 2017! Think how fucking sad and gay that is. Especially since my output is STILL far superior yours, LOL. Why? Because I KNOW WHERE TO LOOK, BITCH, AND YOU'S A FAGGOT WHO DOESNT!

darkknight111

Insults, personal attacks and all caps. The sign of someone with a very low intellect and an even smaller micropenis.

Admit it, the only person you're capable of caring about is yourself. Hallmark of a sociopath.

Even dogs have been shown to be capable of empathy. Since you have none of that given your past statements that rape is acceptable, that means you're a lower form of life than a common mutt.

People like you are "husks". Pathetic empty losers who can only be happy by making others miserable.

Face it, my contributions are far more useful than yours. You know why? Because unlike you, I know where to look, and YOU'S A FAGGOT THAT DOESN'T! LMAO, GG NO RE, GET REKED Noob.

The reason you keep getting sub zeroed is not because of shills. Its because you're an arrogant, narcasistic, sociopathic, hateful, misogynistic, insufferable asshole, and you know it. Deep down you know that every insult you hurl to try to break us is nothing but you projecting the truth about yourself. Pitiful.

DanKeyhote

Sudden brigading is obviously the work of shills, and by undermining my posts because theyre "hateful" (false) it is YOU who is allowing more kids to be abused. You all have short attention spans and consume whatevers put in frnt of you: i dont think ive ever seen the women especially cast doubt on ANYTHING posted LMAO

birthdaysuit11

Nice comment! What a low life.

LongDongKeyhote

Lol right im shilling for....everyone else besides the jooz. I told you why your post is retarded: it includes every behavior imaginable. Larpfag. Spotting shills! pshew, pshew!

argosciv

here-here

slay the cow, the rest will crumble(horrible paraphrase, i know, sue me)

birthdaysuit11

The most obvious shilling tactic in the past few weeks has been consensus cracking. So many deliberate disinfo posts. Many examples, one example will be something like, Another James Alefantis, w/ pizza. The beginning of the post will sound legit followed by the evidence being lackluster with a child eating pizza from pizzahut or a dog eating pizza making the case that they eat dogs. This shit is all over pizzagate now and if you were here in the beginning it becomes painfully obvious.

LongDongKeyhote

If there are so many examples, post links. YOU are in fact the shit-stirrer: posts should be taken on their MERITS ALONE which is why LINKED SOURCES are required.

Youre enabling the character assassination of valuable posters, chiefly me.

birthdaysuit11

You are one of, if not the worst posters on this entire sub. You already assassinated your character by trolling and shilling, referenced in your post history. I'll now ignore you.

LongDongKeyhote

I neither troll nor shill. You are a larpfag. I'll now point and laugh.

srayzie

Well this was written just about you!

Vindicator

If Donkey is NSA, the Deep State is in real trouble. No wonder the North Koreans are shooting rockets off. LMAO

DanKeyhote

This is obvious larping faggotry composed by a teenager, so Im not surprised you believe it. Please read the entire thing, that ought to keep you busy for a few hours.

srayzie

DonKeyhote -1 points (+0|-1) 2 months ago Jesus christ IT DOESNT MATTER. BASIC SURVIVAL INSTINCTS ARE YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY. IF 99/100 MEN WERE RAPISTS SAME LOGIC WOULD APPLY.

You really are a sick fuck!

DanKeyhote

Youre right, basic survival is not your a responsibility; a woman needs a male caregiver to make decisions and ensure her value as a bride. Its his responsibility.

birthdaysuit11

Fuck off you pedo. Never foget the post a few weeks ago that implcated a pedo site of whoch dozens came here and are still here to shill for pedophilia. Scumbag.

srayzie

You really disgust me. Look how the Muslim women are treated! How is she supposed to protect herself from these sick men that look at her like she's less than??

You sure stand up for Muslims. I saw that in another forum too. Are you Muslim? Maybe that's why you hate women. What should a Muslim woman do to protect herself? I'm really curious how your fucked up mind processes these things.

DanKeyhote

LOL! So if i say the high proportion of jews in PG suggests theyre behind it, its antisemitic, but if YOU say Muslims hate women with NO evidence thats not "islamophobic."

You cant even avoid such obvious pitfalls because you BOUNCE OFF 3 WALLS EVERY TIME YOU LEAVE A ROOM. You are DUMB. Give up

srayzie

So just avoid the answer.

You expect a Muslim woman, who is treated less than by men, to protect herself from rape? It's a basic survival skill? How can she do that? She would be stoned to death out in the street. You would let it happen or partake.

I knew you were an asshole. But, this is the first time I realized how sick you really are. Would you help a Jewish woman if you saw her being raped??

birthdaysuit11

DONT ENGAGE WITH THIS SHILL, HE WANTS YOU TO.

10423632?

why do you even try to reason with him srayzie? there's no point. he doesn't have the capacity to empathize with shit or understand where you're coming from; even when he does understand, he's not going to concede, ever, because he has a job to do, and making sense isn't it. we need to ignore these posters from now on.

srayzie

I try but with that faggot it's personal because we used to DM. It's a long story. It's hard to hold back when it comes to him. He'll even follow where I go and comment just to piss me off. He just said more American woman should be raped. I'm not even kidding.

10424095?

of course he said that, because he knows it gets to you and others on this board. he's just striking where it hurts - he'll say anything that works. he derails you every time and takes away your precious energy to fight in circles with him. your energy is needed here; please don't take the bait.

you used to DM him? i hope you're a lot less gullible these days.

DeanKeyhote

SHE DMed ME, obviously not thinking we are the same. Then we both used the expression "non sequitur" and on that basis she decided we are the same, LMAO. And you all simply take her wood because yourw LAZY MORONS!

And please dont encourage her to post more bullshit 3-hr videos, lazy fatass cunts i swear

srayzie

His Equineluvr alt DM'd me because we were both interested in some topic. I don't remember what. I didn't know yet that he was crazy. It was months ago and he was really polite until I wouldn't do what he wanted me to do and he blew up.

10424206?

horsefucker started off pretty benign, i remember. but that's how they get us.

srayzie

Yep

DeanKeyhote

Uh ive treated you like the dumb slut you are since always, and am not polite to anyone else. 2 different people, stupid.

srayzie

But you never said more women should be RAPED!

DeanKeyhote

LOL WTF would be the benefit of women being raped? If it improves white birthrates id start tomorrow. But thats unnecessary if we simply pay them to stay home.

DanKeyhote

LMAO, what a dumb hysterical bitch! Rape is absolutely unheard of among muslims, thats why its a big deal. Frankly we need MORE rape here in america -- right now the WOMEN pursue MEN just for the sheer vice and with no thought towards babies. I know cuz i fuck these girls, and tell them afterward its unnatural and theyre being sluts. Then they get offended and fuck off, leaving me to enjoy the peace and quiet.

srayzie

I wanted to bring this to your attention @Vindicator . SickFuckKeyhote thinks more women in America should be raped.

srayzie

You're a faggot. You don't have sex with girls. You are absolutely disgusting. I have to refrain here. But there are so many things I wish I could do to you. Not sexually either you sick fuck. You wouldn't want that because I'd tie you up and tear you a new one after I beat the shit out of you with a leather whip!

I would love to see you bitch slapped every time you commented. I hope everyone reads that you think more women in America should be raped. That alone should have your bitch ass kicked off of here for good.

Why don't you leave? You don't care if women are raped. So you don't care about children either. If you cared about kids, you'd leave!

DanKeyhote

The man has to marry the woman obviously. Now im a bad guy for wanting more marriages?

srayzie

Don't try to clean it up now you sick bastard

DeanKeyhote

LOL. Youll take anything seriously except the reality that ethnic minorities can infiltrate the host country and manipulate it, and thats what PG is. Sorry if you wanted a more storybook ending, bitch!

srayzie

Stop trying to sugar coat it.

argosciv

recycling the same shit over and over again, they really are braindead pawns.

birthdaysuit11


Seventeen Techniques for Truth




Suppression Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

  1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

  2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

  3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

  4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

  5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

  6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

  7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

  8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."

  9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

  10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

  11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

  12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

  13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

  14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

  15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

  16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

  17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

birthdaysuit11

Informants

1) Want everyone to sign up and sing in and sign everything.

2) Ask a lot of questions (gathering data).

3) Want to know what events the activist is planning to attend.

4) Attempt to make the activist defend him or herself to identify his or her beliefs, goals, and level of committment. Recruiting Legitimate activists do not subject people to hours of persuasive dialog. Their actions, beliefs, and goals speak for themselves. Groups that DO recruit are missionaries, military, and fake political parties or movements set up by agents. Surveillance ALWAYS assume that you are under surveillance. At this point, if you are NOT under surveillance, you are not a very good activist! Scare Tactics. They use them.

Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots. They will plant illegal substances on the activist and set up an arrest; they will plant false information and set up "exposure," they will send incriminating letters [emails] in the name of the activist; and more; they will do whatever society will allow. This booklet in no way covers all the ways agents use to sabotage the lives of sincere an dedicated activists. If an agent is "exposed," he or she will be transferred or replaced.

COINTELPRO

Is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act. The FBI counterintelligence program's stated purpose:

To expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize individuals who the FBI categorize as opposed to the National Interests. "National Security" means the FBI's security from the people ever finding out the vicious things it does in violation of people's civil liberties.

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How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)




One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group that does all the wrong things. Why?

1) The message doesn't get out.

2) A lot of time is wasted

3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged

4) Nothing good is accomplished.

FBI and Police Informers and Infiltrators will infest any group and they have phoney activist organizations established. Their purpose is to prevent any real movement for justice or eco-peace from developing in this country. Agents come in small, medium or large. They can be of any ethnic background. They can be male or female. The actual size of the group or movement being infiltrated is irrelevant. It is the potential the movement has for becoming large which brings on the spies and saboteurs.

This booklet lists tactics agents use to slow things down, foul things up, destroy the movement and keep tabs on activists. It is the agent's job to keep the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control. In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:

"You're dividing the movement." [Here, I have added the psychological reasons as to WHY this maneuver works to control people] This invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of "dedication to the cause." Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she - being truly dedicated to the movement - becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that "on purpose." It's amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: "they did that unconsciously... they didn't really mean it... I can help them by being forgiving and accepting " and so on and so forth. The agent will tell the activist: "You're a leader!" This is designed to enhance the activist's self-esteem. His or her narcissistic admiration of his/her own activist/altruistic intentions increase as he or she identifies with and consciously admires the altruistic declarations of the agent which are deliberately set up to mirror those of the activist. This is "malignant pseudoidentification." It is the process by which the agent consciously imitates or simulates a certain behavior to foster the activist's identification with him/her, thus increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation. The agent will simulate the more subtle self-concepts of the activist. Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are most vulnerable to malignant pseudoidentification especially during work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to their competency, autonomy, or knowledge. The goal of the agent is to increase the activist's general empathy for the agent through pseudo-identification with the activist's self-concepts. The most common example of this is the agent who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or value to the movement. On a more subtle level, the agent will simulate affects and mannerisms of the activist which promotes identification via mirroring and feelings of "twinship". It is not unheard of for activists, enamored by the perceived helpfulness and competence of a good agent, to find themselves considering ethical violations and perhaps, even illegal behavior, in the service of their agent/handler. The activist's "felt quality of perfection" [self-concept] is enhanced, and a strong empathic bond is developed with the agent through his/her imitation and simulation of the victim's own narcissistic investments. [self-concepts] That is, if the activist knows, deep inside, their own dedication to the cause, they will project that onto the agent who is "mirroring" them. The activist will be deluded into thinking that the agent shares this feeling of identification and bonding. In an activist/social movement setting, the adversarial roles that activists naturally play vis a vis the establishment/government, fosters ongoing processes of intrapsychic splitting so that "twinship alliances" between activist and agent may render whole sectors or reality testing unavailable to the activist. They literally "lose touch with reality." Activists who deny their own narcissistic investments [do not have a good idea of their own self-concepts and that they ARE concepts] and consciously perceive themselves (accurately, as it were) to be "helpers" endowed with a special amount of altruism are exceedingly vulnerable to the affective (emotional) simulation of the accomplished agent. Empathy is fostered in the activist through the expression of quite visible affects. The presentation of tearfulness, sadness, longing, fear, remorse, and guilt, may induce in the helper-oriented activist a strong sense of compassion, while unconsciously enhancing the activist's narcissistic investment in self as the embodiment of goodness.

The agent's expresssion of such simulated affects may be quite compelling to the observer and difficult to distinguish from deep emotion. It can usually be identified by two events, however: First, the activist who has analyzed his/her own narcissistic roots and is aware of his/her own potential for being "emotionally hooked," will be able to remain cool and unaffected by such emotional outpourings by the agent. As a result of this unaffected, cool, attitude, the Second event will occur: The agent will recompensate much too quickly following such an affective expression leaving the activist with the impression that "the play has ended, the curtain has fallen," and the imposture, for the moment, has finished. The agent will then move quickly to another activist/victim. The fact is, the movement doesn't need leaders, it needs MOVERS. "Follow the leader" is a waste of time. A good agent will want to meet as often as possible. He or she will talk a lot and say little. One can expect an onslaught of long, unresolved discussions. Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:

1) To disrupt the agenda

2) To side-track the discussion

3) To interrupt repeatedly

4) To feign ignorance

5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.

Calling someone a racist, for example. This tactic is used to discredit a person in the eyes of all other group members. Saboteurs Some saboteurs pretend to be activists. She or he will ....

1) Write encyclopedic flyers (in the present day, websites)

2) Print flyers in English only.

3) Have demonstrations in places where no one cares.

4) Solicit funding from rich people instead of grass roots support

5) Display banners with too many words that are confusing.

6) Confuse issues.

7) Make the wrong demands.

8) Cool Compromise the goal.

9) Have endless discussions that waste everyone's time.

The agent may accompany the endless discussions with drinking, pot smoking or other amusement to slow down the activist's work.

Provocateurs

1) Want to establish "leaders" to set them up for a fall in order to stop the movement.

2) Suggest doing foolish, illegal things to get the activists in trouble.

3) Encourage militancy.

4) Want to taunt the authorities.

5) Attempt to make the activist compromise their values.

6) Attempt to instigate violence. Activisim ought to always be non-violent.

7) Attempt to provoke revolt among people who are ill-prepared to deal with the reaction of the authorities to such violence.

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Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist




1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor.

There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

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Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation




Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

  1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

  2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

  3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

  4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

  5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

  6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

  7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

  8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

  9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

  10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

  11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

  12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

  13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

  14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

  15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

  16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

  17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

  18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

  19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

  20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

  21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

  22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

  23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

  24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

  25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

Jem777

Thanks for posting this. You would think if all the money and energy they spend on protecting themselves from exposure would be focused on real crime and national security this country would not be in 20 trillion dollar debt.