You put things so nicely. :) Romans 11:6 is true YHWH wisdom. Grace has to come before works because Grace is a present from YHWH to us, without grace there would be no works to be done because it wouldnt mean anything to YHWH. Your right when you say NOBODY can EARN grace, ;, also James 2:20 faith without works is dead: which leads me to believe that a person cant rely on faith alone because this scripture tells me that faith can be killed off without works rendering it useless. Also 2 peter 1:5-11 instructs Jesus followers to "practice these things. There are alot of things here that we must practice in order to please YHWH. we cant do it perfectly but YHWH knows a sincere trying heart. It says there at the end that ones who DONT practice these things will not be allowed to live in the kingdom that Jesus taught is followers to pray for. Christians have been disagreeing with this subject for decades unfortunately. All else aside YHWHs love towards us is not deserved by humans, its a free gift from our creator. The bible says in Romans 6:3 that the wage, or payment, of sin is death. Why are people dying right now? Because we are cursed with sin all the way back to Adam and Eve. They were perfect but BECAME sinners through disobedience of YHWHs laws in the garden. Thats why they died because they did not look to YHWH for council after the snake lied to Eve. They believed the snake. I tend to ramble alot and can be very wordy, so sorry, I try to help it but sometimes I just get the best of myself, and I get so excited about the bible. hahahaha. You may know some of this info already, I dont know, I'm just chatting along! hehe I have to go now but am loving our convo. I love the bible so much. I veiw it as my personal letter from YHWH. And people who love Gods word, He notices that. Thx for replying Jem your a nice person to talk to. Lets visit again, write me back.