DONT FORGET: Stephen King's "IT" - currently the biggest Box Office Hit in years - has an explicit orgy sex scene between an 11 year old girl + group of 11 year old boys, in book version ( pizzagate )

submitted by millennial_vulcan

Many were wondering if it would be included in the new movie version (it's not.) Here's what Stephen had to say:

"Stephen King, for his part, seem to find the whole affair mildly intriguing. In a new statement to Vulture, he says, "I'd just add that it's fascinating to me that there has been so much comment about that single sex scene and so little about the multiple child murders. That must mean something, but I'm not sure what."

Here's what Stephen has said about it in the past....

".....The sexual act connected childhood and adulthood. It's another version of the glass tunnel that connects the children's library and the adult library. Times have changed since I wrote that scene and there is now more sensitivity to those issues.

The bigger question is: WHY INCLUDE IT AT ALL IN THE BOOK VERSION!

http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/stephen-king-statement-on-child-sex-in-novel-it.html!

Newfind

In the movie there is a scene that is more than a couple minutes with all of the children in their underwear.

janet58

I used to be a fan of King's, but not after reading It. He had a daughter who was about that age when he wrote it, which made the whole thing even more disturbing to me.

DeathTooMasons

I have posted a video twice about the Catholic church canadian genocide documentary of priest murdering, torturing and molesting children and MF has twice deleted it siting rule #1. This despite the fact that Hampstead, Dutroux and other cases are allowed. What is to be done about these compromised mods? Here is the documentary https://youtu.be/vL6ekLwB_h8YouTube

This thread stays but the Canadian genocide pedo catholic church is deleted twice?

millennial_vulcan

I know, I understand. Ive had many things deleted too that were relevant to pgate in my mind :(

awakenaware

Thanks, watching it now.. why its deleted makes no sense unless a mod is suspect or has a grudge against you which I feel could be it.

angry_mob

great book!

millennial_vulcan

thank you!

R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd

Orgy is multiple people of both sexes. One girl and a bunch of boys is a gangbang.

millennial_vulcan

sounds like you know a lot about it

10545111?

"Debauchery"? You mean all that self destructive uncomfortable shit you are forced to do to fit in with society? Or is there some option I missed?

millennial_vulcan

ive never known how to do the "quote" part of a reply? How do you do it?

siegnagel

I don't know how I feel about this in hindsight. I'm in my 40's and read IT when I was 16 in hospital. I enjoyed the book and loved the friendship angle. I like many teenagers at the time, kind of just skipped over the scene in my mind. But this is always the way, stuff people used to say and do when you were a kid in the 80's you thought nothing of it having underlying sinister connotations until you grow up and look back on things.

eyeVoated

You just described cultural conditioning

greycloud

yes, and the culture has conditioned you to see something as evil that you didn't see as evil before you were conditioned.

eyeVoated

No, you are incorrect. Moral relativism is not absolute. There is such a thing as knowing Right from wrong. Furthermore, it is possible that one can come to know Universal Truth. Furthermore, it is possible to live according to Natural Law.

greycloud

you know right from wrong within the context of your subjective view of the universe and opinions on what is wrong and right. some of your morality stems from the way your brain works. empathy is a natural human trait (and about 5% of the population does not have inborn empathy due to sociopathy or psychopathy) and it is the major source of human morality. when you see another human undergo something, you experience that pain. this is because of how mirror neurons work.

truth is both context and fact, it is a fact measured by a subjective experience. the coin is both heads and tails, as there are multiple ways to see it. the Universal Truth is a thing if the universe is finite, but such a truth would have so many views and opinions that they could not be known by a single human. our minds simply are not designed to really grasp very large and very small things. we cannot accurately imagine a light-year, and the milky way galaxy is MUCH larger than this. all colors are simply our brain recognizing and patterning a relatively small band of electromagnetic radiation. we do not experience the universe as it actually is, we view it through senses that make interpretations of it in our brain.

there is an objective truth out there. but it is such a large objective truth that it is incomprehensible to humans. and part of that objective truth is that humans are not that important on the big scale. when the universe undergoes heat death, all atoms and all things made of atoms will be forever destroyed.

it is impossible to not live according to natural law. humans are incapable of breaking the laws of nature. these laws are what they are, we can discover them, we can try to understand them better, but we can never escape them.

edit: missed the word "see" in the first paragraph. typo in second paragraph.

eyeVoated

You're over complicating the issue.

A Right is an action, that when taken, causes no harm to other sentient beings.

Can this be violated? Yes. It's called a wrongdoing. A wrongdoing is an action that violates Natural Law, causing karma in the aggregate.

greycloud

a butterfly effect is a consequence that cannot be foreseen because it follows a long chain of causation. if you eat an edible plant, you have removed the capacity for another person to have eaten that food at some point in the future. by eating that plant you may or may not have caused the death of another person through starvation. opting to do action A instead of action B can have massive unintended consequences down the line that are unforeseen.

can you name an action that can be taken that can not harm another sentient being? does a right stop being a right if a sentient being is harmed by the action indirectly?

i don't believe in your magical reality. wrong and right are context. a screwdriver is right for screws and wrong for nails. an action is right in one context and wrong in another. it is right in one belief system and wrong in another. it is right in one person's beliefs and wrong in another person's beliefs. you are oversimplifying the issue and trying to claim that your view is somehow MORE right than another persons. this is a form of arrogance born from ignorance.

eyeVoated

Yawn

Devious1

Wait till the extended directors cut comes out

anotherdamnartist

While the viligance in this community is admirable, there is one important thing you haven't considered. Stephen King was drugged out if his mind for the whole 80s. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1178151/Stephen-Kings-Real-Horror-Story-How-novelists-addiction-drink-drugs-nearly-killed-him.html I doubt he remembers writing the majority of the book. There's a god damn space turtle in it. He's probably just too prideful to disavow any portion of the book, however bad.

10545150?

When I startled him by accident in a local bookstore during that time and he jerked around and looked at me like I had lizards coming out of my head. Jumpy guy back then.

Takeitslow

Can we get some spoilers?

millennial_vulcan

Took in $60mil this weekend alone.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

carmencita

That is even more sick. Making money on sick movies that will brainwash children into thinking these kind of movies are the norm, that it is all ok.

carmencita

I know. I read the book. I guess at that time I was kind of out of it, really not realizing a lot of stuff, not knowing what evil lurked behind that kind of writing. That was the last book I read. I always read the book instead of seeing the movie. Don't see movies much at all now. Mostly really old Film Noir. I know a lot of those stars were compromised too, but the subject matters were not as violent and evil. Don't have time for today's idiots.

SecondAmendment

Thanks, @Millenial_Vulcan . Stephen King is one sick bastard. I've never liked him. My conscience wouldn't let me.

quantokitty

Yeah, another one of my idols shot to hell.

He's such a fucking idiot.

millennial_vulcan

ive given up on believing in good guys :(

quantokitty

I understand. It's hard to find heroes, but then you read about Lydia Cacho, Nancy Schaefer or John de Camp (and many others) who fought/fight The Cannibal Elite and wonder how the hell they did/do it. You've got to have a backbone of steel.

So much easier to go along. So much easier.

WombatPatrol

Call me crazy but wasn't Milo posting about this? Or was it the south park guys?

Can't remember. One of them was. Crispin Glover! Holy Shit! It was him! /user/mrfar https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1718808

equineluvr

Bill O'Reilly's perverted novels have child sex scenes in them.

Oh wait -- he was on Faux News and is a RINO so let's not criticize him!!

merica_fk_yeah

I read the book.

King, not sure why he would think it natural or common for ANY 11 year old to have sex. Its not. nor should it be.

seekingpeace

Yes, but he didn't write the scene for titillation purposes, did he? Let's leave fiction alone.

millennial_vulcan

"FICTION" ????

Hahahah

Warmoose76

If a kid is already going through puberty a little early its natural. It just is accepted in our society but what do you think happened in the cave man days. I'm not defending this gay Stephen king book that sounds really fucked up, but sex is natural as soon as animals hit puberty. And again I'm not advocating it or anything, just stating the fact that it is natural. Probably not the orgy thing though.

millennial_vulcan

oh shut up.

carmencita

Great Answer.

millennial_vulcan

I mean, REALLY!

carmencita

Read the article. You will see through it.

merica_fk_yeah

maybe, but I was 11 once and boys were curious (I'm a girl) but none of them would have even known to have sex, we were all pretty innocent about that stuff.

Warmoose76

That is true i aroused by women when I was younger than 11 but didn't really know how it work. And once again I can't stress enough that I'm not actually advocating it or anything.

juugCity

Yeah in an interview on why that's what happened he said something along the lines of "It was the only way to make these characters come together as a group and work together to get out of the sewers" Really Steve? The only way you could think of is a gangbang?

millennial_vulcan

....a gangbang between 11 YEAR OLDS

tapsnapornap

Has anyone seen it, is the scene shown at all?

Stephen is a fucking idiot, of course people will be upset about some 11 year old girl in a group sex session with 5 males.

Creatrix

I saw it. The scene was cut. But they did have the girl grab each boy's face in the sewer one by one. It wasn't flirtatious or anything--it was as if she was telling them to "snap out of it."

She was still portrayed as an object of lust for the other members of the group. So the film was consistent with the book in that respect...

millennial_vulcan

ESPECIALLY 5 males who are also 11-years old for f*cks sake!

LA_Trump

In fairness, the movie handles the ending well. It's a metaphor for Pizzagate 100% and I'm sure the filmmakers had this in mind as they were making the film. For instance, the very first scene exposes how the Talmud commands genital mutilation.

It's also a really good movie, that forces people to understand that's Stephen King is a fucking pedophile.

Takeitslow

Read my recent post history on Maine, King lives there.

millennial_vulcan

Link?

carmencita

That is why I stopped reading his books, I had a feeling about him being weird and that there was something I did not know about him, and that it was something I would not like. He started giving me the creeps when I watched an interview and he still does.

eucalyptus_spearmint

I had a friend's mother that went to school with him. She said he was indeed creepy. Lol but I didn't need this info to avoid a movie about clowns. Almost no child of the 80s has any love for clowns thanks to this movie!

carmencita

I am not afraid of clowns that come before that era. I don't know why they started making them over, the look I mean. Something sinister about that. Someone should look into that. Years ago They looked like friendly hobos. Somewhere along the way the look changed. Spooky.

Tazcatlipoca

A clown can symbolize evil forces

carmencita

I agree. But not always. The really freaky ones. But others with sad eyes that look like hobos never scared me.

carmencita

Vulture says they are experiencing issues, Ha, I wonder if people are storming their site after King's statement. I will check again later.

millennial_vulcan

hmmm interesting....

carmencita

Mike Shinoda makes a statement in the article. What a laugh he has invested in that Sustainability site in Haiti with B Clinton. What a joke. @Wisconsin_Is_Correct says it is a fake bogus site. In name only. They are in on it all too.

carmencita

Yeah, Vulture is still saying, please visit us later. It would be interesting in checking their site tomorrow. Wonder if they have a twitter and if people are sounding off.

carmencita

UPVOAT4YOU for Bringing This Up.

millennial_vulcan

thank u!

carmencita

This is Sick. I was at an event and a woman who has two daughters said she saw the movie, and it was fun, but his book was better. I, not knowing about the orgy scene, said I used to read King many years ago, but no longer do. Now I am wondering What does she think about that scene? She is a neighbor of the people I was visiting, so I do not have too much contact with her and her family but I am shocked at her view. Also did the movie not involve Cannibalism? Did the Clown not eat the children? They are trying to desensitize us to this and our children. God Parents are Dumb Nowadays. They think this is all a big joke, you know, dark comedy stuff. No. This is Eating Children and I see nothing funny about that. Movie or Not.