carmencita

Whoa. The Down Voating of Comments has started. We must be riling them up.

Vindicator

@kestrel9 : Giving you another "New Evidence" flare for this work. I think your approach digging up the pedo rings that were documented before the press joined the ranks of pedo-protectors and then looking up their modern connections is a good one.

Dressage2

Great job to both of you! Who is this Shelden you mention?

carmencita

Francis (Frank) Shelden came from an extremely wealthy Grosse Pointe, MI, family and was an Ann Arbor, MI, millionaire and philanthropist. He owned North Fox Island in Lake Michigan–a private island near Traverse City, approximately two miles wide by one mile long, paying $5,000 a year in taxes to Leelanau County. A Detroit Free Press article dated 12-28-75 describes the generosity of Shelden, a “wealthy Ann Arbor bachelor “ who was on the board of directors of The Cranbrook Institute (a private boys school in suburban Detroit), and Boys Republic, Inc., (a residential center for emotionally disturbed adolescents), who also devoted his time to the Big Brother program. Funny, Chris Busch was a Big Brother, too. Greg Greene was a boys’ baseball coach. Wow, all that community outreach by these model citizens. They all used the same playbook, and these types still do. According to a subsequent article by Wright, Shelden’s buddies Dyer Grossman and Gerald Richards tried unsuccessfully to join Big Brother, but their applications were rejected. I think you know where this might be going. IMO, Shelden was a model for Jeffrey Epstein's Operation Little St. James in the Virgin Islands.

3141592653

Woww good call on Sheldon possibly being Epsteins inspiration

carmencita

Yeah, well I have not looked his father and relatives up yet, would not be surprised if they were involved. I think the Shelden family was based on the east coast. Also, we must remember these pedo rings were covering the whole country. I believe though that possibly this one could be connected to Racine. The old rat lines are still in place. The Mafia is still using them.

3141592653

yes, racine to north fox island is not very far

carmencita

There is no way imo, now I have not got proof as of yet, that they did not connect with each other. They often traded victims back and forth. It is so disgusting.

3141592653

how do you know they traded victims back and forth? any links/info? I haven't been able to dig up anything

carmencita

Here is something else you might find interesting. This was a huge operation. This was not a couple of guys with a small group of victims. They were corresponding with other groups and rings.It turned out Fox Island and Brother Pauls were linked up with other sick entities around the country. Two other organizations were linked up with the Church of Revelation and their network was thought to involve some 5,000 clients. “Boys Farm, Inc.,” a boys’ camp in Tennessee was raided in November 1976. The “farm,” which housed “wayward boys” from around Tennessee, was founded and operated by an ordained Episcopalian priest, Rev. Claduis I. (Bud) Vermilye, Jr. A list of 270 camp “sponsors” was confiscated. These men were from around the country and included Frank Shelden.

carmencita

This is the closest I can come to it right now. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1977/05/16/page/1/article/chicago-is-center-of-national-child-porno-ringThis article implies that at the beginning. I have read so much info I can't remember where I saw it. But I have always felt that these large rings (especially those that had magazines or papers that went out) traded info and victims to maximize their profits. Shelden was exceptionally enterprising.

3141592653

Shelden even put out ads for others who wanted to start their own child organizations / camps/ non-profits . Sick fuck

carmencita

A sort of chain industry so to speak. I think that is kind of what we have today, the pedo rings that are all connected by the rat lines. I wonder if they exchange their victims, you know kind of a cartel business. Really quite disgusting to think about. But we must never underestimate them.

3141592653

yes, their evil is depthless

carmencita

:((

carmencita

Are these cats anything more than just cats. 'Cause I just love cute little kittens.

3141592653

Just cats. Healing power, innocence. Thought it would help

carmencita

:) They always help me :)

3141592653

good :)

kestrel9

Article from 1977

The dentist, identified by the police as Dr. Lloyd William Lange, 42, of Park Ridge, was accused of filming a pornographic movie involving two 14‐year‐old boys. David J. Berta, 32; and John Bell, 19, were accused of producing the movie and Mr. Bell was accused of participating in it with the boys.

On Thursday the Lake County police arrested a 40‐year‐old man from Deerfield, a Chicago suburb, on charges of violating state obscenity laws. The man, identified by the police as Elden Gale Wake, worked in the audio‐visual department of Trinity College in Deerfield until earlier in the week.

Mr. Wake was accused of being involved in the publication of a clandestine newsletter called “Hermes,” which lists the names of boys who might be available to male adults for sexual practices.

These arrests followed allegations in The Chicago Tribune concerning a Chicago‐based ring that made and sold pornographic films of boys and adults. posted here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2100419

The police said that the ring, masterminded by a convicted sodomist serving a sentence in an Illinois prison, published and distributed “Hermes” to many parts of the United States. The ring, they said, also arranged for wealthy men to obtain boys as traveling companions.

kestrel9

Moving this to a new thread, it's separate (from the Brussels UNICEF/CRIES) pedo ring.

@carmencita

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I have been reading the article. I picked out one of the names to look up Dr. Lloyd Lange and he is Still LISTED. He is a Dentist 625 Devon Ave. Park Ridge Il. 60068 Whoa. Park Ridge yet. That is where Hillary and family lived.

During this same time period, police arrested the owners/directors of a summer camp near Yankee Springs Recreation Area, between Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo. Arrested were Dr. Lloyd Lange (42, a dentist) living in Park Ridge, IL, and John Bell (19), David Welch (26) and David John Berta (32).

carmencita

Yes, well the funny thing about it is that I never expected him to be the one I would find. He was the oldest one at the time. Who knew.

Joe10jo

Deerfield's the next town over from me. Like a 5 min drive. Never heard of him though and Trinity's close by too. Trinity sits right next to the tollway, first set of buildings when you get off.

kestrel9

Keep in mind the story is from 1977.

carmencita

Yes, but just think. This Dentist Lange is supposedly still practicing. Is he still involved with this operation. Have they gone underground so to speak. Still using same ops but with new people. The old ones could be still involved with new actors.

carmencita

Well I believe that all this is Key to the Midwest. But is also connected to a larger ring. I also believe that these rat lines and trails they used are still being used today. Only now the Mafia has joined in the game. Dangerous Games.

kestrel9

What is the key? What do you mean by key to the Midwest?

carmencita

I just believe that the rat lines and same works are being used by new players. I also believe it all is Key to the fact that it is all somehow connected to Racine, for they are keeping all this going no matter where it is located. They are still doing it all, you know, the drugs, sex abuse, CP and the Key is in the Midwest because of Racine. I hope I explained what I meant.

kestrel9

I advise doing a comprehensive post with your supporting proof. Just because Dr. Lange is still practicing doesn't mean he's the key to anything happening today, make the case for it if you believe that based off of one article. Follow up on his case, the people who ran Hermes with him. Can you trace them to known players at that time. What 'Operation'? Spell it out based on the reported info at the time linked to specifics of whatever ongoing operation that you can back up with facts from today. Making a blanket vague conclusion with no research detracts from research that is posted. imo

carmencita

You might be right about it detracting. I still believe there is a chance but am not very good at compiling all this stuff. Maybe researching but not writing it up. Just plain bad at tech stuff and presentation. Sigh. I will think about it.

kestrel9

I understand, yes it can seem overwhelming.

carmencita

I am trying to work on this and another one. You are a wonder.

kestrel9

Well this particular case isn't on the top of the food chain compared to the other stuff I've presented (in as far as I know), however, one line of inquiry that would be helpful is that of the exotic fish business, which is connected to some of the people in the CRIES ring. Do these tie to yachting clubs? I'm going to start another thread on it so that the Dr. Lange case doesn't get overrun by different topics (I'll plug in what I know about that case). If you're up for it I could really use the help on the exotic fish angle and whether they were front companies, or used for laundering money etc. Just providing links that are connected to certain people or places, news articles that might repeat what we have but may include an extra detail here or there, that would be immensely helpful. :)

kestrel9

Yes that's great, I'm going to add these to the new submission, where we can add to it or expand on the articles etc.

carmencita

OK. Great I will be checking in.

kestrel9

The nation was so infested in with pedophile rings 1977, they shared their publications and pictures.

Elden Gale Wake, worked in the audio‐visual department of Trinity College

Edit: Trinity was independent at the time, 2 years prior it was associated with Evangelical Free Church of America.

The Evangelical Free Church of America (EFCA) is an evangelical Christian denomination. The EFCA was formed in 1950 from the merger of the Swedish Evangelical Free Church and the Norwegian-Danish Evangelical Free Church Association. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Free_Church_of_America

kestrel9

No..thanks for that link btw

more reading LOL! 'US Orders hearings on Child Pornography'

I have a lot of info on the 1985 results of the investigating the ties between pedophilia and child pornography, and the so called huge bust of 1982 but haven't posted about it yet, was hoping to find a tie to the Shelden case.

I think it was this: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1977/05/17/page/1/article/how-ruses-lure-victims-to-child-pornographers

At the time I was focusing on Fox Island, and while I took notes, the Dentist porn ring I had not fully researched.

carmencita

Well Dr. Lloyd Lange was a Dentist. He could be involved. Wake ran a printing press in jail, can you imagine. In that article it mentions the Hermes periodical that was mentioned in your original post. Also it mentions the Delta Project.