Vindicator

@31415 Due to the fact no children have been involved so far, Weinstein stuff needs to go in v/pizzagatewhatever . Unless you can lay out a plausible link to abuse of kids. Thanks.

FE_Rebekah

Wow, I find it pretty offensive you think PG is only about kids. Personally, I think it's about all victims, including adult survivors. And it's about the programming, the codes they use that have infiltrated Hollywood.

How are allegations of sexual abuse against an elite media mogul NOT PizzaGate?

VictorSteinerDavion

Pizzagate: the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of children .......

I'm not sure how you thought it was otherwise, but it is explicitly about children.

I'm sure there are adults today who were victims when they were children, but the key there is "while they were children".
Many of the methods and techniques used by people like Weinstein are also used by people who focus on children, and I'm also sure that people that do this to adults are also facilitators for people that seek out children.

If there were some link and supporting evidence to show how Weinstein helped others access child actors it would fit here otherwise it doesn't.

Wow, I find it pretty offensive you think

Your offense is not my problem, and yes Crensch went easy on you.

FE_Rebekah

It's divide and conquer. We are never gonna win if we don't come together. You guys want to pidgeonhole yourselves? Go right ahead.

This is an entire network that needs to be taken down, and I don't think much progress can be made until we get free press back, which means going after media moguls .

You guys can insult me all you want. It's pretty sick how you seem to enjoy it. But I still fundamentally disagree with your tactics of deleting submissions.

You guys want attention brought to the PizzaGate problem? Then stop silencing people. Seems to me the more voices the better. But you guys are shitting all over people on your own team.

VictorSteinerDavion

You guys can insult me all you want.

I didn't insult you, using the plural in that manner is a forced implication that I did.
It's a known method of narrative spin reinforcement used by forum manipulators.
You are either doing it knowingly, or this is how your internal dialog works. Either way it is not representative of reality.

get free press back,

Lamentably, the press has never been free (*just one example, the vanderbilts did similar stuff, a current heir happens to be a mainstream tv anchor)

the more voices the better.

False equivalence: More is not better

people on your own team.

More forced narrative spin, the illusion of group cohesion.
I am my own team, I speak for myself and allow others to speak for themselves.
This is a very large community filled with people who have often conflicting views on things, attempts to build falsehood of group homogeneity is a way of actually silencing all the people who feel they don't conform to the perceived desired group traits.
It's step one in creating false in group / out group dynamics, which in turn is the foundational element of divide and conquer.

And lastly, the amount of effort you've applied to arguing instead of researching is the most disappointing thing about all this.

Crensch

We are never gonna win if we don't come together.

Prove this statement. Show somehow that this is truth.

I'll bet you can't.

Seems to me the more voices the better.

And that's exactly why nobody wants, or needs, useless cunts like you.

FE_Rebekah

You're right. If the "more voices" include abusive shits like you, then no, more voices are not better.

Crensch

If the "more voices" include stupid emotional cunts that don't understand basic principles like noise to signal ratios, and more always drops the lowest common denominator. Think-tanks are complete shit for a reason, you stupid bitch.

Vindicator

@Crensch , @VictorSteinerDavion -- wanna take a stab at answering this?

Crensch

Sure will!

@FE_Rebekah

It's time you fucked off now. PG is SPECIFICALLY ONLY ABOUT KIDS, you fucking degenerate shitposter.

"Pizzagate" refers to the independent investigation of pedophilia and child trafficking by the certain members of the global elite.

It's on the sidebar. Fucking read it.

Take your "everything can be PG" to a subverse that allows shill forum sliders like you to post, because THIS is not that place. Seriously, go help kids get raped and trafficked elsewhere.

FE_Rebekah

That's a pretty vicious abusive outburst ya got going on there. You should probably have it checked out.

Crensch

That's pretty mild for me, you should probably fuck off back to your safe space before you really get your feelings hurt.

FE_Rebekah

I'm good, really. After what my ex husband put me through, you really can't do much damage to this "shitposter." I am, however, worried about how your abusive behavior will be perceived by the adult survivors in this forum.

Never would I make light of the rape and trafficking of children. No one here needs to read those abusive comments. That's pretty fucked up what you said.

But as I've suspected, this forum is all about divide and conquer and controlling the narrative and keeping a lid on the truth so too much doesn't spill out.

You're a troll, even if you don't realize it. But since your last comment was threatening, I really am done communicating with you. The right answer to my abusive ex husband was always to walk away.

Crensch

Oh, I also don't believe the "adult survivors" in this forum. Most of them aren't even PG-related, they just "survived" something unrelated, but the ones that CLAIM to be PG-related are most likely lying or shills.

FE_Rebekah

This is the most fucked up thing you've said and should be evidence for everyone. You saved this place for us to investigate, but you shame victims into silence? Your duality is showing.

Crensch

This is the most fucked up thing you've said and should be evidence for everyone.

Go ahead. You're not the first to accuse me of something like that. Get me removed and watch this place die from goats downvoting everything and everyone here.

Voat as a whole doesn't want you here anyway. Go ahead, pull that trigger, you self-centered bitch. Kill the only stable PG place on the internet because you can't post irrelevant shit here. We'll ALL see exactly how much you care about the kids then.

You saved this place for us to investigate, but you shame victims into silence?

I don't care about you. Somehow that really just hasn't gotten through your head yet. I don't give a flying fuck about someone that comes right out with their victim card. You're a selfish, stupid, completely immoral individual that needs a constant crutch of victimhood just to feel better about yourself.

Your duality is showing.

Your stupidity and utter shameful level of confidence in yourself is showing.

FE_Rebekah

Man, just like an elite, threatening total destruction if you don't get your way. 🙄

Crensch

That's not even a threat. I'm telling you what other goats will do. I was the only reason they didn't destroy this place when it was banned from rEddit.

You don't know this because you're a stupid cunt that can't do even the smallest amount of research before asserting your right to derail the investigation because of your feelings.

Crensch

I'm good, really. After what my ex husband put me through

Cry me a river.

I am, however, worried about how your abusive behavior will be perceived by the adult survivors in this forum.

I don't care. All I care about is information that will lead to the arrest and dismantling of the PG elites that are raping and trafficking children.

Never would I make light of the rape and trafficking of children.

You're doing it by posting bullshit that has nothing to do with PG here, then harrassing the mod that removed your mockery of a submission.

No one here needs to read those abusive comments. That's pretty fucked up what you said.

It's pretty fucked up that you're worried about MY tone while YOU are engaging in forum-sliding bullshit that'll never lead to any of the PG elites' arrest.

But as I've suspected, this forum is all about divide and conquer and controlling the narrative and keeping a lid on the truth so too much doesn't spill out.

There's a fucking definition of Pizzagate in the sidebar. It's about KIDS, not ADULTS, you fucking kike troll.

You're a troll, even if you don't realize it.

You're really, REALLY ignorant, and more than a little stupid. If you had any fucking clue about this place, you'd know that me and ONE other user on this website are THE ONLY REASON PG HAS A SUBVERSE HERE. That's right, I stuck my neck out to keep this place alive, and ignorant cunts that stay with their abusive husbands like you decide to come here and water everything down with complete and utter HORSESHIT while accusing ME of being a troll.

But since your last comment was threatening, I really am done communicating with you.

Written words threatening to hurt your feelings cause you to walk away, but you stuck with your husband who "put (you) through" so much you use it for a victim card. Not buying it, cunt.

The right answer to my abusive ex husband was always to walk away.

If you weren't a stupid cunt, you'd have done that before he became a permanent victim card for your deck, but I s'pose you wouldn't have an excuse to blame all your failures on for the rest of your life.

Now go re-live some of the highlights of your ex-husband since you seem so keen on bringing him up to everyone you meet. Sweet dreams, bitch.

FE_Rebekah

So you're not a victim of sexual abuse as a child? Because a survivor would know that unhealthy relationships are par for the course being a survivor.

Or maybe you are a victim, and you haven't worked on your anger issues.

I just don't get the ridiculous policing around here. If a topic isn't helpful or relevant, it will die on its own. But here comes the thought police, you know those people with control issues, and they get to decide what's relevant.

I didn't even make the submission that was deleted, FYI. She was very polite about it actually. I just happened to disagree with your decision.

Had she posted about auto repair, then obviously I would have understood. But I don't see how this age restriction is helping anyone. Especially not when adult survivors would be your best resource for finding the truth.

And in case you didn't notice, there already is enough evidence to convict some pedophiles. And your problem lies with the Justice System in the country.

You really trying to say that if too many people post a topic that misses one of your arbitrary standards, we caused the rape and trafficking of children? 🙄

Perhaps just because YOU don't think it's important, doesn't mean it's not important. Perhaps your deletion of a submission has caused the further rape and trafficking of children, because the submission would have helped a researcher.

Crensch

Because a survivor would know that unhealthy relationships are par for the course being a survivor.

Sounds like a case of needing to get the fuck over it. Maybe you should get your shit together and stop letting whoever raped you control your life.

Or maybe you are a victim, and you haven't worked on your anger issues.

HAHAHAHAHA Oh, that's rich. Even if I was a "victim", I'd have gotten the fuck over it long ago. I certainly wouldn't be bringing it up to strangers on the internet after being called out for not following the fucking rules. I like how your excuse for not following the rules is "I was raped"; typical woman, can't be bothered with accountability for your own actions - no, it's someone else's fault!

I just don't get the ridiculous policing around here. If a topic isn't helpful or relevant, it will die on its own. But here comes the thought police, you know those people with control issues, and they get to decide what's relevant.

Well, you're either fantastically stupid, or a shill. I'll let you decide which you are. If you think you're neither, look up "forum sliding", then literally fuck yourself until you can come here and apologize for your behaviour.

I didn't even make the submission that was deleted, FYI. She was very polite about it actually. I just happened to disagree with your decision.

You took ownership of it when you decided to harass my mod. I don't care who actually wrote it, it's yours now.

Had she posted about auto repair, then obviously I would have understood. But I don't see how this age restriction is helping anyone. Especially not when adult survivors would be your best resource for finding the truth.

Not if your presence here is any indication. All you are is a liar that wants attention, like every other "survivor" that shows up here.

And in case you didn't notice, there already is enough evidence to convict some pedophiles. And your problem lies with the Justice System in this country.

Apparently it's not enough, and this isn't the place to discuss how to change the justice system.

You really trying to say that if too many people post a topic that misses one of your arbitrary standards, we caused the rape and trafficking of children?

You're helping by sliding the forum with useless shit. Enjoy picturing the children that'll get raped while you post about something irrelevant to PG.

Perhaps just because YOU don't think it's important, doesn't mean it's not important. Perhaps your deletion of a submission has caused the further rape and trafficking of children, because the submission would have helped a researcher.

"EVERY LEAD IS A GOOD ONE" says the Jewish shill wanting to keep everyone swamped with so many "leads" that they'll spread their resources thin and wind up giving up after chasing so many bad "leads".

Go take a walk through the closest ghetto, cunt.

FE_Rebekah

Not sure how they put bitches like you in charge of children.

If you find a victim, be sure to pass them off to someone who knows what they are doing.

Crensch

Not sure how they put bitches like you in charge of children.

Because I'm better than you. I'm not a Milgram Obedient slut for Jewish indoctrination. My efforts actually keep the investigation of the PG elites on track, while yours attempt to divert resources to useless, irrelevant bullshit.

If you find a victim, be sure to pass them off to someone who knows what they are doing.

"Victims" present themselves like vegans, in a needy, co-dependent Olympics of victimhood. And look! I found one! You. A permanent victim that will never outgrow blaming others for your choice in men, and your continued decision to stick around after the first time.

If you have any self-esteem, you shouldn't. With just the little bit of you shown here, I can tell you're exactly as worthless as your ex said you were.

FE_Rebekah

Buuuut, you have time to throw in a good tongue lashing to the bad little investigators? Give me a break.

See, what you're not understanding is that I no longer feel like a victim, but I CAN RELATE to victims, to child victims of sexual assault. You know, PG victims.

That ex I was telling you about? He was raped by his own father and passed around to his father's friends in New York. Now, would that qualify as PG?

I have 2 sons with this man, and I'm actively trying to prevent my children from being victimized by PizzaGate, as they actually do make your age requirements.

But something could happen to them, and angry bitches like you would shame them into silence and accuse them of being lying shills.

Yeah, you have a stake in this claim. You must be a victim who was told to "Get over it" too many times, and now you have abusive behavior and don't even realize it.

Crensch

Buuuut, you have time to throw in a good tongue lashing to the bad little investigators? Give me a break.

When did I mention anything about time constraints? Since I didn't, what, exactly, is your point?

Typical woman argumentation.

See, what you're not understanding is that I no longer feel like a victim, but I CAN RELATE to victims, to child victims of sexual assault. You know, PG victims.

You can relate enough to derail this subverse with irrelevant submissions. Well done!

That ex I was telling you about? He was raped by his own father and passed around to his father's friends in New York. Now, would that qualify as PG?

That I even need to answer that shows you're not qualified to post here. No, it doesn't, you stupid slut. Maybe if you identified with your ex husband, you wouldn't have married him.

I have 2 sons with this man, and I'm actively trying to prevent my children from being victimized by PizzaGate, as they actually do make your age requirements.

Step 1) Don't take your sons to a Podesta pool party.

Step 2) Seriously, a street nigger is more of a danger to your sons than the PG elites.

Step 3) You're really, REALLY very stupid.

But something could happen to them, and angry bitches like you would shame them into silence and accuse them of being lying shills.

Whatever, Chicken Little. Keep telling yourself there's an Epstein behind every tree.

Yeah, you have a stake in this claim. You must be a victim who was told to "Get over it" too many times, and now you have abusive behavior and don't even realize it.

Oh, it's so cute when you try to play armchair Freud; I really struck a nerve with you, didn't I? Especially after your accusation that I have not been a victim before; which is it?

FE_Rebekah

You delete submissions, because "time constraints" and "derailing investigations."

So which is it? Plenty of time to argue with me? So there should be plenty of time for slightly irrelevant submissions, too, right?

Or no, no time to argue with me and no time for slightly irrelevant submissions?

See, you have a logic problem there.

The original post was about a high profile media mogul who was busted for sexual assault. There are possible child victims if PizzaGate and the casting couch are real. But nah, you would rather delete than investigate leads and connections..

Crensch

You delete submissions, because "time constraints" and "derailing investigations."

Time constraints for the users of this subverse, you retard. If idiots like you were allowed to post your nigger-tier "leads", then those that actually want the PG elites arrested would have to spend their time figuring out that your stupid post is worthless. And guess what? There are TONS of useful idiots like you, and TONS more shills that want to derail this place that'll post so much that nobody will have the time to parse all the bullshit. Most will just quit in frustration.

Also, [O] here don't deal with the day-to-day by design.

So which is it? Plenty of time to argue with me? So there should be plenty of time for slightly irrelevant submissions, too, right?

I like how you take what I said in a specific instance, then act like it applies to everything. Typical woman behaviour.

Or no, no time to argue with me and no time for slightly irrelevant submissions?

Completely. Completely, utterly, fucking, irrelevant.

See, you have a logic problem there.

You have a reading comprehension problem, and also, you're a woman. Learn to read, you stupid bitch.

The original post was about a high profile media mogul who was busted for sexual assault.

Not PG material.

There are possible child victims if PizzaGate and the casting couch are real.

THEN MAKE A DIRECT LINK TO PG ELITES AND CHILD FUCKING. This is where the actual links are posted, NOT your pet idea of "oh, maybe THIS is worth looking at!". Do that shit elsewhere.

But nah, you would rather delete than investigate leads and connections..

Read. The. Fucking. Rules. Cunt.

VictorSteinerDavion

Thanks for making me laugh for longer than I have in a while ahahahhahaha.

But.

Time wasting shrill whiners shouldn't have this much time or effort wasted on them.

Crensch

Oh, I rather enjoy such things now and then. I'm happy you were able to find entertainment from it as well!

3141592653

:) thanks

FE_Rebekah

Heard about it on the radio. I find it pretty sick how "sex abuse allegations" are always followed by "but she could be lying, and here's 10 reasons why she's probably lying." It's just automatic out of their mouths to start defending the rapist before considering any evidence.

3141592653

Yes, and 98% of the time, the victim is telling the truth

3141592653

Yes yes yes

Votescam

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tv-reporter-says-harvey-weinstein-010215849.html Same article I was just reading -- Any males here want to try to explain this insanity? Is it about a "power trip"?

She says the experience left her shocked, and that while she told friends privately what happened, she remained quiet because she was in a long-term relationship and fearful of the power that Weinstein wielded in the media.

Seems at the least a valid explanation -- her career -- her personal romantic relationship. But, I'd also add that when a guy corners you in an area that way and is blocking you from exiting, females understand that anything can happen. He can ejaculate and choke you to death. He can decide to rape you or force any other sexual act on you. A female has to consider the worst that might happen.
And certainly he would have influence over her media employment.

3141592653

Its all very sad

ESOTERICshade

Any males here want to try to explain this insanity?

Its the King of Anti Patriarchy male hater votescam again. For your information over 40 percent of the people involved in ritual abuse ARE FEMALES.

Votescam

Your LINK to that claim seems to be missing ...

And I imagine the "ritual" abuse is for an organized matriarchal religion worth trillions? And which operates worldwide and which is recognized by the UN as a "sovereign state"? You know, the one with all of its priests pedophiles having almost brought down the church? The one referred to by John Stockwell (former CIA) as "Catholics in Action" also known as CIA? The one which issued the Papal Edicts to "enslave or murder" Africans here and Native Peoples?

Evidently you don't want to give any real though as to male involvement in sexual assault of women, harassment of women, the oppression of women, or sexual abuse of children.

This is why oppression of women was so necessary to the Vatican and why the rise of feminism so frightens them.

Why are you here??????????

ESOTERICshade

Nice try pedo protector and pusher of transgender mutilation of children. Rot away please.....

Votescam

If anyone looks at your posts Eso they will see you obsessions and fanaticism having to do with trying to convince everyone here that it is homosexuals and transgenders who are sexually abusing children. That's pure disinformation which you are peddling.

And studies make that clear -- MALES are our sexual abusers of children and they are heterosexual males.

Catholic Church's priests have been sexually abusing children since day #1 of the Church.

ESOTERICshade

Attempting to blame "christianity" for the invasion of the Jesuits into the Catholic Church. Nice try. Tell all those satanic ritual abuse survivors how all those women that abused them were really men, that won't fly.

People can read your own opinions here and make up their own minds. You explain your philosophy very well, about how MEN are just making up a satan as a cover for child abuse, blah blah blah as you push your transgender pedo agenda.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2110884

Votescam

If you read my comment, you didn't come close to understanding it. WHAT CHURCH were the women performing the rituals for other than Christian churches? And likely RCC... That's where these rituals and organized pedophilia by priests begins. Ask the Italians.

No ... male-dominated religion ... male-supremacist religion -- didn't invent Satan/Devil "as a cover for child abuse" but of course it serves multiple purposes.

They invented Satan/Devil in order to Frighten/paralyze their members in order to control them. Keep them from asking too many questions - challenging male-supremacist religion.

You do realize that suggesting that someone is "pushing a transgender pedo agenda" is like suggesting that someone is pushing homosexuality. Evidently you truly believe that those conditions are "catching." :) Actually -- and I don't really know -- but I imagine that transgender is RARE.

On the other hand, evidently every couple has a 30% chance of having a homosexual child.

ESOTERICshade

Go find somebody and ask them if the holocaust is real and see if you can get them to say it was a hoax so you can "catch you a nazi!" like you tried to do with me. You disgust me. Go away.

Votescam

Oh....ooooo.... so you're also a Holocaust denier .... ???

That explains a lot.

ESOTERICshade

No. You're just a trouble maker, attempting to trap people and bait them into a corner that you can manipulate. Dime a dozen shill you are.

Votescam

You've trapped yourself into some truth telling. Who would care to manipulate you? You're paranoid.

ESOTERICshade

Welcome to your lobotomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMEQK4pX8XY

Votescam

THIS is what you look for and trust in ... Wow!

Btw, "The Bird With One Wing" is Patriarchy which turned the world upside down in its violence against women.

ESOTERICshade

Fail. Go read your JIDF manual again, or some Alinsky.

Votescam

If I had any idea who or what you're talking about it would probably only give me a clearer picture of you and your problems. Thanks, anyway.

What are you doing here, btw, other than involving yourself with this kind of nonsense that you're posting to me?

Are_we_sure

NY Post is reporting his brother may have leaked this story to push him out of the company.

http://pagesix.com/2017/10/06/harvey-weinsteins-brother-may-have-been-mastermind-behind-sex-allegation-expose/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

It’s Cain and Abel — Hollywood style.

Disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein may have been stabbed in the back by his own brother, who, sources told The Post, has been trying for years to replace his sibling as the sole head of their marquee film studio.

Bob Weinstein, the disgruntled co-founder of The Weinstein Company, may have been the mastermind behind an exposé of lurid sex allegations that led to his brother’s humiliating downfall, the sources said.

“Bob’s wanted Harvey out for years,” said a former staffer, who added that the two brothers are becoming increasingly suspicious of each other.

Insiders believe that Bob may have helped concoct the explosive New York Times story that exposed the harassment allegations from Ashley Judd, Rose McGowan and other former employees.

“Bob may have even fed this story” to the Times, the insider said.

There may have been a taste for vengeance in the brother’s fateful move, as another insider said, “Bob wanted Harvey to get what’s coming to him.”

The backlash from the scandal is expected to oust Harvey from the storied franchise — for now — settling a long-simmering feud between the two.

“There has always been a love-hate relationship between the brothers,” says a former Weinstein employee.

“There have been times they wouldn’t speak for months. Let’s just say they have an ‘inconsistent’ relationship.”

Another source added, “Bob’s trying to take over and push Harvey out” and also said that some staffers at The Weinstein Company believe Bob was a source of the damning Times story.

Saibra

The worst part is how his lawyer is defending his behavior, that he is "deeply sorry for his actions." The MSM and the liberals are giving him a pass because he's a huge donor. Had this been a Republican, they would have torn him apart. Hypocrites. I don't care how deeply sorry he is, he used his position and power to take advantage of women and should be excoriated if not prosecuted.

3141592653

Yes to this

3141592653

Yes yes yes !

3141592653

The liberals I talk to are disgusted about this

Are_we_sure

Isn't that what lawyers do? Lawyers are hired to defend their clients.

The MSM and the liberals are giving him a pass because he's a huge donor.

You're kidding right? This NY story broke out yesterday didn't it? And here's the Huffinton Post following up today.

The NY Daily News has had 20 separate articles on this. http://www.nydailynews.com/search-results/search-results-7.113?q=Harvey%20Weinstein&selecturl=site&sortOrder=desc&pdate=&edate=&tfq=&afq=&page=1

migratorypatterns

This is beyond bad. This isn't an "old dinosaur" as he was portrayed, this is a monster with no regard for women and into a power trip.

And really, look at how grown women are intimidated. Can you imagine a child being in this type of situation? You can get some idea of how thee children are destroyed by reading these types of accounts.

I'm very happy this reporter finally got to speak about what happened, and I hope more women will do the same. I know there are tons more women out there that have been subjected to this obscene behavior.

carmencita

I just called him a pig. I will not slander pigs. He is a vile piece of vermin.

3141592653

agreed. pigs are actually pretty cool. smart too.

carmencita

I love them. I hate how fat they make them get. It is disgusting. I have pig notepads, and other things and head out to a certain farm to pet and feed pigs just for fun. We do it once every summer. They are adorable. Needless to say, I do not eat pork.

3141592653

No meat here :)

carmencita

EEK, when I think of meat and JP I think of what might be put in OUR meat. Ground meat of some type on pizzas, in sausages, etc. Mixed in with? The pig ranch. Butcher. Scary. I don't want to buy any type of ground meat or sausage now.