tcp

Paddock was dual fisting with a second higher caliber rifle. Duh.

JimmyLionstar1

Well then he did it from different locations :)

Because this is what this video proves, that there is a shooter closer to the arena.

tcp

Not strictly true. The lag time he described varies depending on the muzzle velocity. So, although I am not a rifle expert, I can make an educated guess that a different rifle or different caliber bullet could produce the shorter lag times.

JimmyLionstar1

This video analysis has to do with frequency and how frequency transmission through the medium of air.

Thats why this is compelling evidence of a second shooter much closer to the arena. No mather the caliber

This is math and physics and it is not something you can easily dismiss.

riposte

Someone sent this video to me and there is not sufficient evidence, so I decided to find it on voat and discuss it.

The analysis of his videos are on what he calls the "lag time" between the bullet striking and report. A faster bullet travels farther ahead of the firing sound wave than a slower bullet.

His two times are .374, and .560, which is a 50% increase from low to high. We know that there was an ak also being used besides the ARs.

So a heavy 150 grn factory ak round (given a standard length barrel) would be going about 2100fps. A standard AR would be about 3150. It just so happens that that is exactly 50% faster, which would lead to a "lag time" difference of about 50% shooting from the exact same position.

It's clearly a different gun being fired from the same position. The only conclusive evidence would be audio of both guns being fired simultaneously, which was not provided or mentioned in the video.

tcp

Wrong. You should look up the math and physics involved in the calculations.

JimmyLionstar1

It´s the high frequency sound that give a way the sound of the bullet hit the ground.

And the low frequency sound proves that its sound of the fire from the gun/rifle.

The difference has to do with transmission of frequency in the medium of air.

I do know what i am talking about.

tcp

I understand that you are steadfast in your confidence about what the video proves, however, take (another) moment to consider what was actually presented. He does mention that soldiers can guess at the proximity of a shooter by listening to the frequency of a shot, but he never measures the sound frequency as part of his analysis. He measures the lag time between two separate sounds. No matter if he wanted to address either or both sounds, there are two many unknowns for him to say anything about the attenuation of the sound and recorded frequency. You might be able to reliably say that it was fairly close or there may be another type of analysis I am not aware of, but, I repeat, that is not what he chose to analyze. Only as a way to describe the nature of the two sounds does he mention that the first noise (that he takes to be bullet impacts) is in the high frequency spectrum and the second noise (of the rifle report) is in the low frequency spectrum.

As other commenter have said, he may well being using NLP and other techniques to confuse people, so we may need to be careful about this guy until a better analysis can be done. He claims he whipped us this "forensic evidence" in three hours, but he was likely irresponsible by releasing a video like this since he acknowledges that many videos are being banned for being inaccurate and he thinks he knows enough to give law enforcement consultation. He claims to be a scientist, but there seem to be some errors in his approach. He tries to make it seem like he was exhaustive in eliminating error, e.g. he notes that echo wouldn't change his analysis. That isn't to say that you can't prove that either two rifles or two shooters were present, but we don't know that he isolates two distinct sound sources reliably (with an observable, cohesive pattern).

Do you understand that lag time is not a measure of the difference in sound frequency of two sounds but the delay (seconds passed) between two sounds? He did not measure the difference in frequency between the two sounds, and we don't know how that could be useful unless you want to come up with a new type of analysis. There may be some complex analysis out there, but we are only concerned with the analysis that he did. Please look up what he means by lag time. Muzzle velocity, air resistance, tumble, caliber, and trajectory all matter when you are interpreting lag time.

JimmyLionstar1

Do you understand that lag time is not a measure of the difference in sound frequency of two sounds but the delay (seconds passed) between two sounds?

Yes.. and the sound travels at a speed of 345 m/s with 20% air humidity.

No more no less. The sound of speed is the sound of speed.. Do you see what i mean?

I am glad that you are maintaining you argument for me. we might not come to an agreement here. :)

But thats ok, and i do think you are right for questioning this source.

We should all do that on everything. /tumbs up

tcp

Fine, but everyone is telling you that you are missing something, and you need to be more careful because I've seen some valid points in response to your stance. Yes, one part of the difference formula involves the speed of sound. The other part involves the speed of the bullet. You don't get any distance just by knowing the speed of sound and when one sound, the rifle report, reaches you. This remains true even if you have a single measure of frequency (of the sound of the rifle report when it reaches you).

JimmyLionstar1

I agree that the speed of the bullet will have an impact on where the second shooter is. But the sounds are recorded from the same place (arena), so even if the caliber change the velocity would not change that much. Meaning the "lag time" and the calculation he did with a .223 showed a change in frequency to closer range at more then 200 yards closer to the arena.

So even if you change the caliber it still would not make sense that is was just one shooter.

tcp

First, we can't really trust his analysis until it's repeated by someone. So, although it's possible to isolate distinct sound sources of shooters, we don't know if it was done without error. Second, you are making assumptions. For example, caliber matters so much that if a second shooter was at 275 yards, he could have chosen to fire subsonic rounds. He could reliably hit the crowd and the sound would arrive before the impacts. Are you just going to assume that whatever rounds and rifles were used were just "pretty much standard"? We have to see how this guy eliminated such errors. So even if the data is showing an unmistakable pattern, we need to make sure there aren't alternative explanations that also fit. A more rigorous analysis could give us the proof we are looking for. For now, I'll just say that if this guy didn't completely (although he did partially) fudge the results, he might have found something in the data that can't be easily explained by a single shooter.

riposte

Just watched this video elsewhere and came here to comment, and I see your discussion with the enthusiastic, but less than informed OP. This is clearly just the AK being fired at around 2100 fps as opposed to the AR at 3150. 50% increase in bullet speed means ~50% increase in "lag time" (although slightly less as the heavier ak rounds lose velocity less quickly).

The only conclusive evidence would be a recording showing the two rifles firing at the same time in such a way as the shooter could not possibly be switching between rifles. He did not provide this evidence.

JimmyLionstar1

Well i do agree, i would love to see the raw data on this. But the science is there.. so it would show us some interesting data.

Cheers

Thegreatestname

Couple things wrong with his analysis. He's talking about 223/5.56 from a 16 inch barrel, the bump stock gun pictured has at least 18 if not 20 inch barrel(i.e. faster bullets). Secondly he used more than 1 rifle and more than one caliber of bullet(.308 and 5.56 at least). Another issue I have is the bullet impacts he's talking about are the bullets breaking the sound barrier not hitting dirt/people/pavement. Finally even in the same caliber ammo can have widely varying velocity depending on the weight of the projectile and other factors.

Close but, no cigar.

JimmyLionstar1

This video analysis has to do with frequency and how frequency travel through the medium of air.

Thats why this is compelling evidence of a second shooter much closer to the arena.

Thegreatestname

OK his calculations are flawed because his input is flawed.

.223/5.56 can vary depending on the ammo between ~800-1200 meters per second depending on the weight of the projectiles. The guy used 975MPS in his calculations. He didn't use a range of variables in his calculations. So his calculations and his conclusion is not correct. We are looking at a difference between .36 seconds to .59 seconds(~40% difference) depending on the type of ammo used for bullet travel time to 400 yards.

308 win varies from about ~750-1100 MPS.

There is a large margin of error in his assumptions. He even addresses that his calculations are based off a 55gr bullet out of a 16" barrel. So if the shooter had a different type of ammo or a longer or shorter barrel the calculations change.

As for the frequency, he used that to distinguish between bullet "impacts" and muzzle report. I'm not even going to get into his false assumption on the bullet impacts... Which are in reality the sound of the bullets breaking the sound barrier not pavement impacts in a grass field.

This is math and physics and it is not something you can easily dismiss.

You are right about that but, in order for math and physics to come to the correct conclusion the inputted dated must be correct. Not assumed.

JimmyLionstar1

Seems kinda hard to coordinate being in 2 different buildings with differing reload times etc...

Maybe they used radio communication..

I agree that the speed of the bullet will have an impact on where the second shooter is. But the sounds are recorded from the same place (arena), so even if the caliber change the velocity would not change that much. Meaning the "lag time" and the calculation he did with a .223 showed a change in frequency to closer range at more then 200 yards closer to the arena.

So even if you change the caliber it still would not make sense that it was just one shooter.

Thegreatestname

If you look at my estimation where I showed the travel time between 2 bullets you can see where he is wrong. One at 1200mps traveled about 400 yards in .36 second the bullet at 800mps took .59 seconds. Note he used almost those numbers to show absolute proof of a 2nd shooter.

Basically, padcuck fired shots with one rifle at 800-900 mps, then fired shots from another rifle at 1100-1200mps or even the same rifle with different bullets and that's how he got his gandolf wizard powers of bullets that arrive faster. Then there is the issue of the muzzle report being stationary but, the crack of the sonic boom(bullet impacts according to him) is not a fixed location. The guy was shooting at the crowd then at the fuel tanks. Never does he account for that. The camera is stationary but, point of aim over the camera head and 200 yards away from the camera will change the time of the sonic boom report in relation to that of the muzzle report.

There may be more than 1 shooter but, I'm gonna need someone to show me a recording breakdown of rifle fire at a higher rate of fire than is possible for an ar15/10. Basically bullets fired almost at the same time.

I'll be honest, I was excited when I watched this video at first. I believed this was the proof we needed to catch our lying government in the act. Sadly his case couldn't stand up to my scrutiny.

JimmyLionstar1

Sadly his case couldn't stand up to my scrutiny.

you are funny :)

Well, i would love to see the raw data he has on this. But the science is there.. so it would show us some interesting data.

Piscina

Good. I said this from the get-go when I posted the taxi driver's video--there is clearly more than one shooter.

Wargasm

It's a little naive to think that the FBI doesn't have forensic acoustic specialists or scientists working for them.

On their jobs page they list the qualifications they're looking for

https://www.fbijobs.gov/career-paths/stem

Truth be told, the pay for Phd level work is not on par with industry, but for some the benefits make up the gap.

https://www.fbiagentedu.org/salaries/

darkknight111

My take on this is that the "forest" of what he's saying (the overall theory) is spot on.

However, the "trees" (the details) are off due to various unknowns.

If that formula is built right, then it would just need a readjustment of killer 2's approximate range and therefore opens up new locations.

bopper

Michael Savage and more confusion. These psy op people are good, but maybe they're getting sloppy.

https://youtu.be/vgu6zCnwPxM?t=394

SoldierofLight

I have no doubt in my mind that the LV shooting was a false flag and Cabal operation, however, I don't see a direct connection with CP or why this is in PG. How about PG Whatever? Otherwise, this is a distraction from chasing down pedos and our investigations into them.

carmencita

This post is about their being two shooters or not, but it involves Paddock since it is the LV Shooting. He has been linked to an airplane that is linked to VA. and to make a long story short, in the past this plane was used for the Franklin-Coverup and transporting of boys to DC. Now we can argue about whether that is true or not, but that is the connection. This whole thing is getting really twisted and intertwined just like everything else they operate. Yikes, There are so many aspects to this caseI have had to write them down.

JimmyLionstar1

Well this proves that FBI and MSM is lying about the official story.

FBI must be exposed when they lie and FBI is implicit to covering up pedogate/pizzagate.

You have to think a DC pedoring could not be active if they didn't have influences in the FBI? Right..

argosciv

Or, how about neither... not bashing the OP or @carmencita , they're genuinely concerned, but, this video doesn't even belong in v/pizzagatewhatever

It's trash at best, disinfo at worst.

@Vindicator I strongly suggest a flair or deletion, not that it's really my place or anything, just getting the feeling this one is a nothing burger(see other comment by me here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2184706/10757415

JimmyLionstar1

It's trash at best, disinfo at worst.

Clearly you have not watch the video.

argosciv

The video, sorry for not being clear.

The Vegas shooting definitely happened, but, not the way he's suggesting... I mean really... teleportation/ I believe in some whacky shit, but, that's just counter-productive bullshit especially considering that he's trying to point out another shooter.

JimmyLionstar1

It´s ok, so you don´t understand the science around it. his analysis proves shootings happaning in diffreent locations.

This is math, and it is something you can´t easily dismiss. Thats why its so compelling evidence. Try listen and watch it.. i promise you will understand.

then he got to the teleporting part...

By this he is pointing out what the FBI is telling you and how ridiculous it sounds.

argosciv

It´s ok, so you don´t understand the science around it. his analysis proves shootings happaning in diffreent locations.

Actually I do, I'm not challenging the factual math at all . His analysis is based on the assumption that a .223 round of a specific density/weight was used - failing to account for the other guns and possibility of different ammunition(s) being fired.

By this he is pointing out what the FBI is telling you and how ridiculous it sounds.

Well that's good to know, but, I don't believe he's done an appropriate analysis at all and indeed has not presented anything to compare his findings with - it would be lovely to know which footage he's using to determine that A: only .223 caliber ammunition was fired & B: there was 2 or more shooters. There's also echo to take into account which WILL overlap with the sound-report from shots fired after the shot which produced the echo.

It was a very open-air area; echos would travel incredibly far while remaining audible.

JimmyLionstar1

Well if you understand the science you can apply this to any caliber.

But thank you for your input.

argosciv

Not really...

Like I said, some weapons afford better muzzle velocity compared to others which fire the same ammunition - even that aside, the travel/audio physics ABSOLUTELY change dramatically between different caliber ammunition... do you REALLY think a 7.62NATO sounds the same and travels the same speed as a .50BMG and likewise that a 5.56NATO behaves the same as the former 2?

Meh. We don't have to agree, but, I've not gone out of my way to belittle you or be condescending towards you - hell, I even explicitly mentioned that I think yourself and @carmencita shared this with good reason in mind... yet, here I am, copping downvoats for sharing an unpopular opinion. Enjoy the popularity contest, I'm off to bed shortly, been looking at family lineages from ~1975AD back to ~800AD all night.

JimmyLionstar1

I am not going to have a science class in physics with you.

Ill say this...It dos not Mather in the end. The analysis still prove shooting from different locations.

No Mather the caliber.

But i still appreciate your input and good night to you, sleep well.

argosciv

But i still appreciate your input

The sarcasm your comments are laced with, says otherwise.

The caliber of the ammunition(s) fired, does indeed matter - including the weapon(s) used to fire said ammunition(s). Not only does such information help to determine the presence and location of any shooters involved, but, it also helps us to understand where they got their equipment and perhaps how they managed to get everything setup undetected until it was go-time...

But hey, what do I know, right? I don't have a whiteboard with scribbles on it, so I must not know anything ;)

JimmyLionstar1

The sarcasm your comments are laced with, says otherwise.

You belive what you want to.. I am just beeing nice.

This has to do with frequency and how frequency travel through the medium of air.

srayzie

No offense. You know I like you. But you told me that you think the 3 wisemen ate baby Jesus. Now THAT is some whacky shit. Just sayin.

argosciv

Haha and I still somewhat stand by that one, though, the theory has changed somewhat by this stage of things.

Cannibalism is a bit less of a stretch than teleporting gunmen, to be fair :P

For what it's worth, I've sidelined that particular part about baby Jesus, until I can put more pieces of the puzzle - still of the opinion that some fuckers ate adult Jesus though, usurper or otherwise.

ESOTERICshade

For what it's worth, I've sidelined that particular part about baby Jesus, until I can put more pieces of the puzzle together - still of the opinion that some fuckers ate adult Jesus though, usurper or otherwise.

I just gave you the key to that puzzle about two minutes ago in another comment.

srayzie

Nobody ate Jesus 🙄 But I dint want to get into it. I just had to tell you that lol.

argosciv

Unfortunately, neither of us will ever be able to prove that one definitively xD

The only way to get confirmation on that, would be a confession from deep within the Vatican or someshit lol

2impendingdoom

there had to be another shooter if the woman with the Bellagio video claiming that the glass there was blown out. I don't know how a shooter at the Mandalay Bay could possibly hit the Bellagio's bar, it's in the opposite direction.

Dressage2

LVMPD says in dispatch conform multiple shooters. That shots fired in Tropicana, Belagio, Paris and Ceasars.

argosciv

I remember the Bellagio being mentioned, don't think I saw much about it after the Mandalay shooter was ID'd though.

carmencita

Amen.

Psalm144-1

I just watched this last evening as well. Very compelling science behind this!

WTF if the FBI doing? I thought law enforcement was supposed to UPHOLD the law not OBSTRUCT it?!

Millennial_Falcon

It was a deep-state operation, so of course the FBI is covering it up.

fogdryer

the FBI is no longer on our side. some are some are not. Do not trust anyone anymore.

JimmyLionstar1

WTF if the FBI doing?

Good question.

.... and why hasn't the FBI investigate the Podestas?

2impendingdoom

lol, think again. FBI sent emails to Elizabeth Carlisle. If that doesn't prove that they are a complete farce what will? Carlisle was Loretta Lynch's fake identity.

JimmyLionstar1

Yeah thats right.. forgot about that :)

derram

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI | https://www.hooktube.com/embed/JxmEFeKy8aI :

Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre - YouTube

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ESOTERICshade

His analysis rests on the shooting being real first of all. Where are all those dozens of shot up victims? You don't see them because they do not exist. All this talk of two shooters is to attempt to make the shooting itself appear to be real. It was not real. There are no victims. This is a red herring. The reason Trump said it was a "miracle" that more people were not killed is because he was making fun of the whole situation. He put "miracle" in quotes for a reason.

There is no second shooter because there was no victims. The whole thing is staged. You can believe that until you see all those dozens of victims talking about their recovery for the next few months IN THEIR OWN HOMEADE VIDS that do not exist and never will, unless its a few fakes from the cult.

carmencita

Believe me, I completely believe there were actors involved. There was someone I pretty much trust on here that said he knows someone that was shot. I believe some were shot, but actors also took part in order to create a narrative. They could not question the victims because they were too shot up or may not say what they wanted. I totally believe this was a type of false flag, but still included real victims.

JimmyLionstar1

Yes, you both are probably right about staged actor and both real victims. (i don´t think the ones behind this would take a chance on the wrong narrative getting out) @ESOTERICshade @carmencita

But this video analysis has to do with frequency and how frequency travel through the medium of air.

Thats why this compelling evidence of a second shooter much closer to the arena.

No mater the narrative, real shoots where fired.

carmencita

Well, I have to agree and I really did not think this post was going to be as successful as it turned out. I am glad that we can discuss for that is sometimes how we learn from others and also learn how to curb our anger and just listen, and can find others believe differently. We may never agree, but we sure have either changed our minds or realized that we are really committed to our ideas. And that is OK.

ESOTERICshade

I listened to the original audio of the videos the day it was released of the shots. I think it is an echo from the sound.

JimmyLionstar1

It´s the high frequency sound that give a way the sound of the bullet hit the ground.

And the low frequency sound proves that its sound of the fire from the gun/rifle.

The difference has to do with transmission of frequency in the medium of air.

ESOTERICshade

Out of hundreds of victims, as much as people love their selfies, you don't think there would be a hundred selfie victim videos from hospitals all over the internet? Dressage didn't say he knew somebody that got shot, he said he knew somebody that knew somebody that got shot, not the same as knowing somebody that got shot.

carmencita

It was not Dressage. I am going to question the person I know of.

Gothamgirl

Oh yes, I believe him and Anonymous posted a video that is irrefutable to.

carmencita

Well, thank you. I can't get it out of my mind about a Second Shooter. Again, I will be honest in that I am not a Specialist on Marksmanship or Firearms. But it just seems to point to common sense that one person could not have fired all those shots. Now those of you who would know, I think it might even be possible that while Paddock was in his room, two Sharp Shooters broke in and they were the ones that did the shooting. Probably CIA or Special Ops. Paddock may not even have been in that room at the time. He may have already left. Since we can't find anything tying him to that kind of experience or being a Sharp Shooter, how in the world did he do it. I am sorry but that just keeps nagging at me.

morojax

Please Cum

argosciv

Have you watched this in full? It's utter horseshit.

A: it was almost definitely a .30 cal - I recall seeing photos emerge of the LMG used, but will need to look for them to confirm.

B: The video provides absolutely no audio samples to compare with what he's written on the whiteboard. Granted, the whiteboard has SOME factual info, but, it also just acts as a pointing reference and conversation piece for him.

C: We already heard him at the start, "forensic acoustic analysis", why does he feel the need to constantly repeat this? (Neuro Linguistic Programming - repeat something enough times and the reader/listener will begin to accept it as fact)

D: He's making out as if he knows exactly what gun was used and exactly what grain(density/weight) the bullets were - any change of weapon(some guns afford better muzzle velocity than others which fire the same ammo) or bullet grain will throw his theory out the window.

E: This dude looks like a jarhead/cia grunt.

F: More NLP, he constantly demands that you agree with him as part of his collective "we", all the while trying to point you to his whiteboard because it's scribbles, math and graphs make it seem as though he's speaking from a place of authority on the subject.

Absolute shit.

JimmyLionstar1

This analysis proves shootings happening in different locations.

This is math, and it is something you can´t easily dismiss. Thats why its so compelling evidence.

burnerdrone04

I think the analysis is useful but far from definitive for the reasons you point out. I don't think it's "absolute shit" and it's fairly straight forward to replicate the analysis. (I might try this if I have some more spare time). But if you follow what he's saying (which is correct), then you must acknowledge that he's basing this analysis off the idea that BOTH or ALL shooters used one and only one type of ammo. (.223 remington apparently) This isn't known, but we DO KNOW that the hotel room leaked photos show multiple guns and if they were modified semi-autos as purported, they would get hot and a gun swap would be a good idea. If the shooter swapped guns and ammo type one time, it would force a re-do of the analysis with correct values for the different ammo fires and make it more difficult to identify which ammo corresponded to which report (bang) heard on the audio clip.

take away : The basic premise that the official story (one shooter) came out too soon and doesn't account for readily available video/audio and witness accounts is pretty solid though.

argosciv

Upvoated, very well put.

I'm a little tired at the moment so wasn't too impressed with his presentation. He does use factual information to try to bolster his assertions, but, without making a comparison to any footage/audio, he's just assuming you know which shoots he was 'analyzing' in order to reach his conclusions...

Plus the whole teleporting shooter theory... don't even wanna know how far he had to reach up his shit-chute, for that one.

(.223 remington apparently) This isn't known, but we DO KNOW that the hotel room leaked photos show multiple guns and if they were modified semi-autos as purported, they would get hot and a gun swap would be a good idea.

I've seen nothing to back up the claims of modified semi-auto rifles, I did see a photo of the LMG and I think a pistol flashed by the screen too. The shots sound like a .30cal and from what I recall, the LMG did remind me of several .30 cal models I've looked at, though, many guns can be re-chambered to fire other ammo - but, my ears tell me (based on the footage available) that it was a .30cal lmg doing the brunt of the firing.

The basic premise that the official story (one shooter) came out too soon and doesn't account for readily available video/audio and witness accounts is pretty solid though.

Also agreeable, keen to see things develop, just pretty damn sure the linked video is clickbait(as in, the makers of it know that they're talking shit)

carmencita

I thank you for looking at the post. You are a great researcher and are entitled to your opinion. Maybe some of it may be overstated, but as I am not a forensic specialist idk much about that part of it.

argosciv

I'm not claiming to be an expert either, but, in my time (before now spending all my time here) spent researching guns so that I can make a well balanced first-person-shooter game, I spent countless hours(days/nights) studying weaponry and and bullet physics, etc.

He's using some factual information to spin his own little narrative on the shooting... hell, at one point he posits that the 2nd shooter fuckin teleported to the roof he is claimed to have been shooting from...

It's trash.

carmencita

Thanks.

argosciv

HAH!

Downvoated for sharing an unpopular opinion, almost feels like being back on flogbook xD

bopper

I like Mike Adams. This is Operation Gladio, "strategy of tension." San Bernardino has never been sorted out. Thanks in part to the presstitutes.

https://youtu.be/51h_o8y4GpA?t=84

ravensedgesom

I agree definitely has the trademark Gladio false flag characteristics

argosciv

Sorry, but, to me it seems that he's just talking out of his arse and trying to make people waste their time and energy on some mythical 2nd shooter.

carmencita

I am hoping when all of this is hashed out and said and done that the only ones left Clueless will be LE and the Real Perpetrators. I am asking that people look at the comments in my deleted post. Maybe one of them is the reason it was deleted.

argosciv

"phrasing, boom!" (Archer)

Popping in to read now.

carmencita

Thank you :)

carmencita

My post was deleted so Jimmy reposted. Here is my deleted post https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2184586 My post was deleted by MF because of Rule 1.

migratorypatterns

He deleted my post about LV also. Paddock has already been linked to the Franklin Cover-up and the two Paradise Ranches. Why are we going through this nonsense?

ESOTERICshade

Paddock has already been linked to the Franklin Cover-up and the two Paradise Ranches.

That is where the gold is. Post about that specifically.

SoldierofLight

Thank you. That was my point. I'm not here to bash anyone, especially @carmencita , just trying to stay focused.

carmencita

:)) Yes, I agree it is Hard to stay focused these days.

migratorypatterns

I disagree. ALL updates are important. Not just the ones you deem important. We have to keep abreast of the news.

JimmyLionstar1

Yeah, that airplane he use to own.. has a lot of questions about it.

migratorypatterns

It does.

JimmyLionstar1

Yes :) this should never have been deleted. The analysis he is providing is compelling.

If MF just looked a little closer in the link maybe he/she would not have deleted it.

carmencita

Well, let's hope that it gets exposure. That is all I wanted. Thank you again.

new4now

I cant be the only one who goes to deleted submissions,or even some of the other pizza subverses