Respectfully (and I say this as someone who was riding high on the Q wave just a few days ago):

• The Saudi princes were 'held' at the Ritz (or some such place) while the majority of their monies were transferred to MBS. They are now released (or about to be).
• There was a plane crash near a Rothschild property -- about which we have no real further information
• Soros - ya, low hanging fruit.
• Indictments could be big -- certainly has been a big build up -- part of my red flags might be impatience.
• Missing submarine is big -- when did Q release this? Sub went missing on Wednesday -- seems like Q mentioned it after that.

Meanwhile:

• The Saudis are still prosecuting their horrific war in Yemen, something strange is going on with the Lebanese PM, and they've signed a peace treaty with Israel to simplify going to war with Iran -- all NWO projects about which Q is silent, and Trump apparently supportive.

• Even if Jacob or one of the other Rothschilds was on one of the two downed craft, that hardly affects the Rothschild family or their wealth.

• So, Q & Team telegraphed their moves to Soros so he had time to protect his money? The people we're up against aren't actually all that bright -- but they are several steps ahead of us.There's much more to this than we can see -- and I suspect that what we can't see can hurt us.

Trump just got back from Asia making deals for the NWO that probably number in the hundreds of billions of dollars at a minimum.

When trying to decide whether to believe someone's words or someone's actions, believe their actions.

Some people are under the impression that an NWO takedown is underway.

I see Q driving this narrative. I know that my understanding may be clouded by how I am interpreting their clues, but there are many who share this understanding. And, as @SoldierOfLight pointed out, Q is calling Trump our Savior. This supports the notion that Q is driving the narrative.

Hug! :-)

That would be lovely. Thank you.

Apologies. These were from the other insider anon who was explaining Q last week. Yes, will go look for citations.

The amount of rationalizing that people are doing to prop up the Cult of Q and the Cult of Trump to make it all better in their heads makes me want to punch a wall. And yes, it's become a cult. Does it bother you that Q equates Trump with Our Savior? I'm not even a Christian and that makes me want to vomit.

This.

The more the 'Q' saga is going on, the more I am worried, deeply worried.

Why is it not possible for so many pizzagaters to take a step back and look at it from a distance? Why put all your hopes on Trump when all we know from observing politics and elite child abuse is that this is a non-partisan issue?

I'm all for throwing members of the Cabal into prison, but currently it is worrying me that some "of the usual suspects" might go to jail, and the Q crowd will think 'oh great, problem solved, proof that Trump is saviour, we don't have to care about elite child abuse anymore'.

Where's the spirit of thinking independently now that carried the pizzagaters along for the better half of this past year?

Not only are the NSA painted as heroes, but Military Intelligence? Anyone ever hear of a fella named Col Aquino? Or notice how many psycho killers and cults originate in the vicinity of military bases?

I think he's the latest incarnation of Operation Mockingbird. Basically, lead the alt-right digital crowd to the trough and make them drink the Kool-Aid of submission to authority.

This. Also, Q certainly is driving the narrative in limited directions, not all of which align with what we all have discovered for ourselves. I feel like the free-range /pizzagate researchers are getting driven into a corral or box canyon.

Outstanding post soldieroflight.

mentality of a resigned victim

The feeling that Q is most likely a psy-op has nothing to do with the "mentality of a resigned victim". Quite to the contrary. It prevents us from running into false or old rabbit holes when at the same time we could spend our energy on trying to get the full picture.

I am most definitely not suggesting anyone become a resigned victim. My intention is to simply look, with fresh eyes, at what Q is presenting -- to determine if he/they are truly on our side.

If they are not, and it is a psyops, then we need to regroup and refocus because we need to figure out how to effect REAL CHANGE.

Be strong, stand tall and fill your heart with optimism.

Most definitely. We also need to clarify our thinking and become more strategic. We need REAL HOPE -- not manipulated hope.

this is a post by @ESOTERICshade and follows his pattern of brigading this sub with his alt accounts and his Debbie Downer narrative

exactly what you said... ' we're fucked, they're too powerful, give up '

It was deleted because I failed to provide the obligatory link. @Vindicator saw I was new and let me know I could repost with a link.

Huh? What alt accounts?

Here we go again with @ESOTERICshade and his merry band of alt accounts !!

Sorry your confirmation bias bubble is getting bruised. Learn to debate instead of insult. It would make your message carry some meaning.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1999842

William Donohue and Jesuit Pedophilia (pizzagate) submitted 2 days ago by ThePuppetShow This relates to pizzagate because the Jesuits are an elite organization controlling factions of our government and they're involved in many pedophilia cases. In 2014 the NYT published an article titled For Nuncio Accused of Abuse, Dominicans Want Justice at Home, Not Abroad. The article discussed Archbishop Jozef Wesolowski, the Vatican ambassador who serves as a personal envoy of the pope, being accused of sexually abusing minors in the Dominican Republic.

“He definitely seduced me with money,” said Francis Aquino Aneury, who says he was 14 when the man he met shining shoes began offering him increasingly larger sums for sexual acts. “I felt very bad. I knew it wasn’t the right thing to do, but I needed the money.” This is what the Jesuit leader, William (Bill) Donohue of the Catholic league had to say about this article..

The Times erred again by repeating the myth of a pedophilia scandal: 100 percent of the victimizers were male; 81 percent of the victims were male; and 78 percent were postpubescent. That would make it a homosexual scandal. Indeed, less than 5 percent of these cases involve pedophilia. This particular comment made me dig a little further on this guy because even if his numbers are true, he's obviously willing to overlook the 22% of prepubescent children who were molested to defend a Jesuit pedophile. What I found is going to sound real familiar to the regulars here.

Here are some things "we know that we know" about William Donohue: he has been president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights for nearly twenty years; he's quick to accuse anyone criticizing the Catholic hierarchy as being a Catholic-basher; he relishes publicity -- always ready for his Fox News Channel close-up; he's a stalwart defender of all things Catholic; he's gruff and likes to throw his weight around; he's mean-spirited and prone to making outrageous comments; he's a serial gay-basher; he has been a staunch apologist for priestly child abuse, claiming it was the result of having homosexual priests; and, he has a predilection for dumping on Jews. Donohue slams Rabbi Waskow Last week, BuzzFeed had an interesting little story about Donohue. BuzzFeed's story revolved around a "private email" he sent to Philadelphia Rabbi Arthur Waskow. According to BuzzFeed, Waskow, a progressive political activist, author, and a Rabbi associated with the Jewish Renewal movement, "had criticized the Vatican and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in a Huffington Post op-ed for attacking the religious freedom of millions of American women and the religious freedom of American nuns' over contraception." In response to Waskow's piece, Donohue sent him an email calling the piece a "snide attack on the Catholic Church" that "exhibits appalling ignorance." Donohue ended his note with: "Moreover, since when is it the business of any religious leader to condemn the strictures of another religion? You are not only clueless about the situation concerning nuns, you have stuck your nose in where you don't belong." How's that for launching a civil dialogue? Donohue's email started a brief exchange, which ended by citing his friendship with former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, who, according to Donohue "once said that Jews had better not make enemies of their Catholic friends since they have so few of them. Think about that the next time you feel compelled to attack my religion. Donohue also included a postscript saying, I do not have a long nose.'" Donohue has been down this rage-against-the-Jews road many time: In 2004, Donohue, a major admirer of Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ," expressed his displeasure with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association for snubbing Gibson's film. In typical Donohue style, he said: "Mel Gibson releases the most significant blockbuster movie of the year, but it's not good enough to make the cut for a Golden Globe. That's because his film promotes Christianity, and the Hollywood crowd will have none of it. The only movies they like to make about Christianity these days are ones that demean it." In December 2004, Donohue told fellow defender-of-the-faith, Pat Buchanan, who was subbing for host Joe Scarborough on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country," that the reason "The Passion" wouldn't get its just due is because "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular." I've proven recently, what I've know for years, that it's the Jesuits controlling the "game" across the board. This is more proof that it's not the Jews that you can't talk about, it's the Jesuits. William Donahue has made MANY appearances on "Jew controlled media". Why would that happen if the media is really Jew controlled?

<< PART I >>

History of the Jesuits From the Book "THE HISTORY OF GERMANY" by Wolfgang Menzel [In four volumes. This quote is From Volume 3 pg 1072. Book not dated but was written in the late 1800's. Menzel, Wolfgang, 1798-1873] ___________ this volume has not been scanned into archives.org yet. Volume 4 has been scanned/is in there - but I did not see anything about the jesuits in that volume. https://archive.org/details/germanyfromtheea08401gut

"The Society of Jesus was founded by Ignatius Loyola, an enthusiastic Spaniard, for penitents, who, in those heretical times, ere long made it their business to confirm the faith of the wavering, and, consequently, became the tools of Rome. Benedict XIV, named them St. Peter's Janissaries.

Their object was the restoration of unlimited hierarchical power, and they despised no means, however base, that might conduce to success, according to their celebrated maxim, "The end justifies the means."

The society was intended to form an aristocracy of talent, whose office it was to guard the avenues of knowledge against the rest of mankind; and, as a precaution against individual treachery, no member was permitted to quit the order except to take the vows of a Carthusian, by which he bound himself to silence and solitude for the rest of his days.

The heads of the society had unlimited power to remove, punish, and assassinate the members. The first vow taken by the initiated was that of unconditional obedience. A system of secret espionage pervaded the whole society; suspicion was condemnation; and the victim was sentenced to die in seclusion of starvation, as it expressly directed by Suarez, the great Jesuitical casuist.

The members were divided into classes, the highest of which, the professors, elected the head or general of the whole order, who resided at Rome. Every province of the order was under the superintendence of a pater provincialis. The higher grades were kept strictly secret from the lower classes, who were merely the blind tools of the former. The pope conferred the most extensive privileges upon the order, which was empowered to interfere everywhere with the clergy and with all other orders. -- And, in order to renew the times of the first apostles, the Jesuits sent out missionaries, who visited the most distant parts of the globe, for the purpose of converting the heathen and --- of taking possession of the New World. They brought countless treasure into Europe, by means of which they placed themselves on a firm footing and acquired immense influence at a period when money was power.

The most celebrated of these missionaries was St. Xavier, who met with a martyr's death in India. Numbers of the Jesuits shared the same fate; many, in particular Germans, were distinguished for piety and learning and by their exploration of unknown countries. Among the European Jesuits were many fervent spirits actuated by the purest zeal; many simple and poetical minds unstained by hypocrisy, for instance, Balde; many deeply learned men, sincere lovers of truth.

It would be unjust to pass a sweeping condemnation upon all the Jesuits. But the ruling spirit and the political effect of the order were immoral.

The manner in which they denied the truths brought to light during the Reformation, sought to veil them by bringing to view the weaknesses and errors of Protestantism, or to suppress them by force, cannot be justified.

The sophistry with which they still defended undeniable and long-sensible abuses was revolting to reason. The means by which they bent the powerful and wealthy to their purposes were often the most unholy.

pg1074 One of the principle objects of the Jesuits was to replace the sale of dispensations, which had fallen into bad repute since the Reformation, and which was, moreover, almost indispensable to the church. This was done by means of the lax morality of the confessional. The more luxurious court life became, the more easily did the Jesuits forgive the sins committed by the aristocracy; in order to pacify the new conscientious scruples awakened by the Reformation, they became the advocates instead of the judges of sins, from every description of which they, by their casuistry, exculpated the offender.

The Spanish Jesuits went furthest. The book of Escobar, the confessor's manual, passed through thirty-six editions, which were printed under the direction of the society and of the church. The church closed her eyes to any measures taken by the confessors, provided they made proselytes and gathered the stray sheep into the fold.

According to their casuistical system, all sins were exculpated: First, by the doctrine of probabilismus, that is, by the mildest of all possible interpretations.

A says, "Sich a sin is too horrible to be forgiven." B says, "Certainly; still it might thus be exculpated, " etc. etc. Upon this C says, "According to A's opinion it cannot be forgiven; but it can be according to B's; and as an authority is all that is requisite, and the mildest point of view is admissible, I agree with B." Secondly, By the directio intentionis, that is, by the thoughts being occupied during the performance of a bad action with an innocent object. Thus, for instance, one might bribe another or accept of a bribe and, at the same time, be merely thinking of civility or gratitude.

Thirdly, By the reservatio mentalis. It was allowable to take a false oath by voluntarily adding a mental reservation, as, for instance, a man might swear he had no money, although he had some, provided he mentally added "none to lend," etc. One might take an oath thus, "I swear (that I say here, although it is untrue) that I, " etc. or "I swear that I did not do that (a hundred years ago or a hundred miles hence), " or " I swear to do so (if I cannot think of something else)."
page 1075 Fourthly, By amphibologia, or equivocation; for instance, one can deny anything touching the French by thinking of the word "gallus" as implying a cock instead of a Gaul. Fifthly, By the intenio bona, which was the principle thing.

Strictly speaking, the only virtue required in a Jesuit was the promotion of the intentions of his order; whoever did this, merited eternal bliss, which was ever the case. The sins of the wealthy and powerful, whom it was to the interest of the order to treat with lenity, were excused on the ground of their having no intenio mala, that is, that the sin had not been committed for the sake of sinning. Thus, for instance, adultery was allowable in princes and nobles, because the marriage vow had been broken, not for the sake of committing adultery, but for the sake of another woman.

Sixthly, and lastly, By pia opera, by good works; woever honored the Jesuits, built colleges for them, gave them money, etc., whoever, in general, did good service to the Catholic church, diligently observed her ceremonies, purchased a dispensation, etc., was completely free from guilt.

Means such as these easily gained over the wealthy and the powerful. The Jesuits displayed the greatest activity at court, their maxim being to influence the flock through its leaders. They long governed all the Catholic courts of Eurpoe, sometimes as confessors or tutors to the sovereign, sometimes as coucillors and negotiators, the most talented men of their order especially devoting themselves to poitical matters; but their principal profession was that of a procurer; the secrets of the confessional rendered them masters of the weaknesses of the princes and princesses, whom they doubly flattered, by affording them opportunities to satisfy their inclinations, and, at the same time, giving them full absolution. Like the Lutheran court chaplains, they ever found means to secure the eternal salvation of the sovereign, whatever might have been his crimes. They even succeeded in creeping into Protestant courts for the purpose of converting the prince or of corrupting his councillors. It was in this manner they converted Queen Christina of Sweden, the [pg 1076] daughter of the great Gustavus Adolphus.

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The most important projects of the Protestants have been frustrated by the secret intrigues of Jesuitical emissaries at the courts of the Protestant princes. The Jesuits also applied themselves to the study of medicine, by which means they got the life of the sovereign, in whose service they were, into their own power, and many of the poisonings which took place at that time may be placed to their charge, no less than manh of the assassinations, by which they removed the leaders of the opposite party.

   <i>NOTE THE TERM</i> short-robed Jesuits

In 1614, the general of the order, Aquaviva, prohibited the public defence of regicide by the Jesuits, probably from fear of giving offence to their royal patrons. In order to work with greater security, they had secret members among the laity; princes were even enrolled in their ranks. These members were termed the short-robed Jesuits.

Education was almost entirely controlled by the Jesuits, who, by this means, secured the rising generation and methodically implanted in the people the spirit requisite for their purposes. Everything that might prove prejudicial to themselves was carefully avoided in the schools and in their writings, and all Protestant books were strictly prohibited. Although there were many deeply learned and shrewd-minded men among the Jesuits, the want of truth in their discourses, rendered their schools far inferior to those of the Protestants; nor could the knowledge they acquired ever benefit the people, owing to their almost constant use of the Latin tongue, which was at first natural, the first Jesuits having been Spaniards or Italians, but which was afterward purposely persevered in with a view of preventing the students from studying German and, more particularly, Protestant works.

The inclination of the Jesuits to place themselves as an intermediate class between the priests and the laity, and, by this means, to govern both, is clearly discernible in their new forms. They avoided the old terms of "monastery, monks," etc. and termed themselves a "society"; their houses, "colleges and residences."

[Pg 1077] In South America, in the province of Paraguay, they even usurped sovereign rule, but had the prudence to veil their model-monarchy, in imitation of which they one day hoped to rule the whole world, from the eyes of the curious.

It was the Jesuits who desecrated the spirit of the venerable mother-church while attempting to preserve her body, the tottering edifice of hierarchical tyranny. One of her heads had prophesied concerning them, "As lambs have we crept in, as wolves will we govern, as dogs shall we be driven out, and as eagles shall we return."

The most celebrated of the Jesuitical dogmatists of Germany, during the thirty years' war, were Gretser, self-named "malleus haeret icorum," and Tanner. During the subsequent peace, the Bollandists gained great celebrity in the Netherlands by their "acta sanctorum," a continuation, principally by Bolland, Papebrochius, etc., of the legends of the saints, formerly collected by the industrious Benedictines. The Annals, published by Baronius, up to 1607, in opposition to the Magdeburg Centuries by Flacious, were the greatest historical work of the Catholic church.

Esoteric, your whole argument here rests on the premise that stuff hasn't already happened. That Q seeks help before taking action. That is not what the leaks show, however. They show someone giving clues about behind the scenes operations that have already happened, and links to historical events. The help requested is in waking up people despite the silence of the MSM and corrupt justice system.

This a cruel joke.

This is increasingly my take -- and so very (((them))).

LMAO "Q is a distraction" (lists every European passport holder)

YOU arethe larper and you bite your tongue before speaking ill of the only man to PHYSICALLY RECOVER HIS COUNTRY AND VOLK FROM THE KABAL.

Proving YOUR point he spoke directly and openly of the (((INTERNATIONAL CLIQUE))) and it was lost on NOBODY who he meant, no drip drip

100% of the reason we haven't done likewise is PROPAGANDA -- those I know alive during WWII say they will NEVER forgive the Germans, or the Japanese! What do you think these mass-trauma wars and psyops are for ?!!

Wasn't yesterday - Monday - meant to be the BIG DAY when all the perps would go to jail?

Not that I heard. Where are you getting that from? Link please.

No, yesterday that something that was supposed to be big was from Sean Hannity

...how easily someone could influence the narrative.

Why nobody seems to care....

Two flashing red flags here, for anyone to consider.

Dead Cross - Church of the Motherfuckers

Great point. Didn't know this. You should research further and do a thread.

I'm thinking the whole tactic is diversionary. Dedicated researchers are chasing down leads to ... things they already know.

And how wide is Q's appeal beyond those who are already researching? Do we have anyway of knowing?

... if Q is legit ..

That is the question. I'm feeling like we need to get off the merry-go-round for a day and take a close look.