maggiethatcher

Same link points to a drug bust, unfortunately

darkknight111

Voltaire has a nice quote about exactly what you're saying.

AWS refuses (ie runs away) to respond whenever anyone brings up confirmed incidents of Hillary's connections to certain white phosphorous incidents in the Middle East.

There's also how those who are about to reveal something about Hillary tend to end up dead in suspicious manners and timings. Called "Arkancide". That right there is absolute irrefutable proof of her guilt.

Tallest_Skil

Fuck off with the LARPing shit.

ESOTERICshade

Republicans throw Christianity under the bus and declare jerusalem Israeli Capitol. Gave Christian holy site to the Zionist...

film at 11


Trump Recognizes Jerusalem As Israel's Capital; Middle East Prepares For Violence

As expected, President Trump on Wednesday recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital and announced plans to relocate the U.S. embassy there, a decision that is certain to inflame tensions in the region and throw a wrench in potential peace negotiations, paradoxically uniting the fractured middle east world against Israel and the U.S.

"I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," Trump said shortly after 1pm in the White House.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-06/watch-live-president-trump-makes-announcement-about-israels-embassy

birds_sing

Trump maybe isn't what you think he is.....

This is a distraction from the fact that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

darkknight111

Rest assured, all the flak and hate he gets is 100% well deserved and not in any way excessive.

He's not a skeptic. He's a leftist shill who goes out of his way to defend Killery, Pedosta, and pedophiles in general.

His agenda is purely to "resist". No interest in stomping down pedos.

ESOTERICshade

If this is accurate it is a roundup of illegal immigrant criminals.


The Daily Caller reports that some sort of joint “gang crackdown” operation between federal and local law enforcement is currently underway in the nation’s capital:

The FBI teamed with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) in undefined court-authorized law-enforcement activity in Prince William County, Virginia, Fox 5 News reported. Precise information is unavailable regarding the location and nature of the operation, but Virginia’s northern counties have a dense MS-13 gang presence, which could explain the ATF’s joint involvement with the FBI.

https://twitter.com/wusa9/status/938421021484507136

MS-13, as TFPP readers know, is a notoriously violent international gang which spans multiple nations, including Mexico and El Salvador, and is frequently intertwined with illegal immigrant crimes. According to a previous Daily Caller report:

The article later quotes Jay Lanham, a former executive director of the Northern Virginia Regional Gang Task Force (NVRGTF), who said Gillespie’s 2,000 number is “probably pretty accurate” […]

WaPo cites numbers from the Fairfax County Police Department that say there are only 1,400 MS-13 members, but Lanham argued the NVRGTF’s numbers were more accurate, as “most of the estimates from the police department are going to be on the low side.”

According to WaPo, even Gillespie’s 2,000 number is “relatively small” given Fairfax has a population of more than 1 million. Compared with the number of police, however, even WaPo’s measure of 1,400 MS-13 members is massive.

If WaPo’s number is accurate, there are more MS-13 members in the county than there are police officers. The county employs 1062 patrol officers, and even including special units their numbers only reach 1,350, according to a 2015 annual report from Fairfax police.

This is an unfolding situation, and much of what’s going on remains unclear, though at first glance it appears to be the latest reminder that there’s a new sheriff in town who takes illegal immigrant violence far more seriously than his predecessor. TFPP will continue to follow the story and keep you informed as we learn more.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/breaking-massive-law-enforcement-operation-underway-d-c

migratorypatterns

Thanks for the post! Been seeing this on Twitter and glad it's here!

44NJ9

WTOP is local news for this area, they were very complicit in spreading lies that CP had been properly investigated. They are the ones that did a news blurb that the arrest are all gang related. This station is good local DC propaganda machine.

Blacksmith21

Except it's the radio station which also carries all of the syndicated conservative talk show hosts: Plante, Limbaugh, etc.

44NJ9

The local news is saying it is gang related round up. Not sure I believe it. There was a mass local news agenda to brainwash everyone into thinking Comet Ping Pong & AJ were fine and nothing was up with him.

GregChism

JA ? not AJ

sentryseven

Then short after Trump went full on Christian Zionist by declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

pimpinainteasy

We are being setup for World War 3.

GeorgeHodelDidit

We are rallying the Muslims for a Jewish day of destiny....

ESOTERICshade

We are rallying the Muslims for a Jewish day of destiny....

Not trying to be mean, but that one really made me laugh. Thanx :)

GeorgeHodelDidit

What better way to rally the Muslims into war with Israel? Think man. Trump knows who ran this system....he isnt helping them for Zionist reasons.

And what better way to eliminate a problem then get them all into a little country? A country that as Iran has said...can be destroyed with just a nuke or two?

Think man

squarcle

Boo! Clickbait title.

SmokeCigarettes

Trump always tweets early in the morning and sometimes it's well before the sun rises

pimpinainteasy

The "storm" is the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel today.

Which is almost certainly going to plunge the US further into an all-out war in the MidEast.

Samime

I find it strange that people consider Jerusalem to be so important as a capital. That is where he was killed/ gave up his spirit... at the place of the skull/Golgotha. That place only receives it power by blood and death and sacrifice.... Skull and Bones. It has occultic power by blood. Very evil in my opinion! How about this... Trump is setting up a battle between Israel and Islam so they each blow up each other’s Unholy/Holy places... Mecca/Jerusalem thereby nullifying both. Blood and death are evil and nothing is made sacred by spilling it!

The most important place... the most holy place is where Jesus was born. Birth is holy! Bethlehem the city in Nazareth where He was born is in Palestine. Jesus of Nazareth is a Palestinian who didn’t follow Islam or Judaism.

That my friends is the only place worthy of our praise. Joy to the world.

pimpinainteasy

Thanks for the info, very enlightening!

ESOTERICshade

The "storm" is the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel today.

Which is almost certainly going to plunge the US further into an all-out war in the MidEast.

Ding Ding Ding! This man just won a cupid doll. This one fact right here is one of the single most important things that is utterly going over people's heads.

pimpinainteasy

Now we just need Votescum, er I mean "Votescam", to express her moral outrage...

SoldierofLight

We can save her the trouble of posting. Just blame everything on men.

GeorgeHodelDidit

We need a war....just you are confused which side Trump will be on. Dont stress too much about why Trump is doing this. It is political theater....the guy is a reality show genius....he also is being advised by the best minds in the World right now. This is a process of destroying the power structures out there.....this is not a gift to ZOG.

ESOTERICshade

Its a several hundred year plan completed. Wiping out Yemen, Iran, and threatening Lebanon is called NWO advancement.

GeorgeHodelDidit

The story is deeper than that.....Trump is not a Zionist puppet. If you cant figure that out with the stuff on the internet and if you cant put the puzzle together I cant help you. But what you are thinking is the endgame......is not. Your being fooled...but maybe that is a good thing. The Jew cant be tricked if the trick isnt good enough.

surgeson

trump lol

newworldahead

We have learned that some of the police presence is in Prince William County, Virginia. At this time, exact locations of activity have not been released nor have the nature of the operations

Definitely could be PG related, we'll see how it plays out. Let's remember that Virginia is infested by MS13. Also this state has the most missing kids per capita. See this thread

Long_Knife

Do you know how many times trump has tweeted "make America great again"? Not everything is pg related. Sometimes people get arreste en masse i.e. gang round ups, drug round ups etc etc. It is DC after all.

senpaithatignoresyou

The dems are trying to trigger an impeachment vote today.

Odds are good that Trump will pull something humiliating out, and change the narrative to "the dems are extremely evil, that is why they want me out of office".

Are_we_sure

The "Grasping-at-Straws" is upon us.

racmo

lol

fromagefrom

SIGNS

are the y G oo d ? IRL

think-

Then shortly thereafter, local Fox News reports multiple agencies law enforcement activity in D.C.

Oh, how very kind of them to warn the Cabal beforehand. /s

Btw, wonder what 'Q' makes of Trump accepting Jerusalem as Israel's capital?

crashing_this_thread

Perhaps it's a polarization technique.

ComedicGoat

Definitely a move to shake things up there to set a precedent to actually fixing the damn place.

Gothamgirl

Trump and the #7. I think that is a good sign.

senpaithatignoresyou

Most likely terror related. Mi5 claimed to have stopped a terror attack on Teresa May, but MI5 is fucking worthless, and most likely had the information spoon fed to them by the US.

GregChism

Pizzagate is terror related. readwipedandblew.com

Oh_Well_ian

I think the May story is a total fabrication.

independenceday

the storm is here too in my home and i need help...what do you do when your own partner is too blind to see? is the 99% really this fucking stupid? i can't take it any longer.

angry_mob

i am surrounded by clueless people - family. it's beyond frustrating.

independenceday

kisses...i know what cha' mean :)

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

There are three possibilities: their mind is ready to accept the information but needs to slowly ramp up to your level of red pill, they've been too heavily exposed to MSM Propaganda to be directly exposed to most red pills, or their IQ is too low to work through the facts.

For the first one, think about how Voat received Amalek's rants versus Q's questions: you can't force them to make the mental connections, they have to make them for themselves. Look at some of the old sticky posts on r/The_Donald or some of the more American-politics-focused subverses, and check how deep in the red pills you have to go before you're telling them something they didn't know.

In the second case, you need to break the media dam before they can see the flood of subsequent revelations. Focus on the red pills that show media collusion or fake news (the older and more-repeated the incidents, the better, especially if those old fraudsters are still committing fraud today), then focus on the truth behind many of their narrative's lies once they have realized how politically biased they are.

In the third case, just focus on getting them to be red-pilled about the toxicity of modern "feminism"/"gay rights", because you aren't going to be able to convince them about too many red pills even in the long run, and your partner falling into their clutches will turn your future into a living hell.

GeorgeHodelDidit

This is why the media is being attacked by the sex abuse...start small force retirements....listen Trump is dominating the Media.....they will all do what he says in time. But to avoid mass confusion ans shock they are breaking the Normies into the fraud slowly...but make no mistake. ZOG is being struck in a major way. They had a culture of blackmailing each other with video of sex and murder at black mass cermonies.....what if an organisation of Patriots seized all the Jew/masons master blackmail videos And if they had thousands and thousand of hours of this shit?

Imagine they have all the evidence that AIDS, Lyme, Autism and many Cancers are a population reduction plan? And this whole Satanic Cult ran on pedophilia and sacrifice?

The World has changed already. Have a merry Christmas.....our job now is to keep telling our friends the truth...in as large a dose as they can accept...our job is to soften the blow to the Normies....to be there to tell them why the Satanist were doing what they were doing. But the Rubicon has been crossed. We are forcing it all to happen. Only thing they can do now is throw a rouge nuke.....this is why Iran, NK, Israel and Pakistan become important....they were the Nuclear black mail plan...if a major country every spoke the truth and broke away from ZOG they would threaten to Nuke them by a rouge nation.....NK is not a real country. It is a CIA puppet state. IT is run by the Jew/masons the whole time....

ESOTERICshade

ZOG is being struck in a major way.

The Zionists literally consider themselves Gods walking upon the earth. Their desire is to kill the notion of God and especially the memory of Jesus whom they despise with a seething hate because the teachings attributed to Jesus basically invented freedom.

Their hope is to one day be literally seen as the Gods that future humanity will worship. They invented "Judeo-Christianity" which is a complete blasphemy. Christians are sitting in their churches being taught that the Jews are Gods Chosen People.

Jerusalem is important because of its historical background and involvement with Christianity. They intend to take it over and use it as their Supreme Satanic Shrine and centerpiece.

How is permitting the Zionist Rothschild gang the license to take the most Holy Christian sight in world history dealing a blow to ZOG?

GeorgeHodelDidit

Befuddle your enemies right up to the end. You see this game with Muellar? Dude is already working with Trump. They are breaking the neck of the control structure as we type this shit to each other. You watch. There is a very well thought out reason to fool the Jew right to the end. They are desperate and looking for an excuse to believe they will live. But they are mistaken. Watch......watch.......watch. It will be revealed.

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

In order to protect the minds of the Normies, we can't directly cite the Jewish connections between the globalists, and this is the first I've heard of NK being a CIA puppet state (I thought it was China who had their hand up Kim Jong's fat ass), but you're otherwise on point.

finska

NK definitely not a real threat....it is being controlled and used to control us with fear...and maybe to ultimately start their beloved ww3

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

The one and only threat NK poses is "using their shitty targeting software to launch a missile over a key area of a Western country, and detonating a nuclear warhead at a height where it acts like an EMP". Their military is starving, their arsenal only consists of a few small warheads, and their missiles keep missing their targets or being shot down.

finska

I think they are contolled opposition. An essential element to get all good wars started on a false pretense to make a bunch evil fucks rich and reduce the world population while they are at it....

GeorgeHodelDidit

Dude China was a Yale skull and bones puppet from the beginning. They used the Yale Missionaries to organize the Communist. China was a Jew/masonic plan from the start.

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

Source?

DonKeydich

Jews running teh media and the blackmail ops and being the biggest donors to both sides makes all that dumb shit you just said completely redundant. Feminism/gay rights are entirely Jewish fabrications. All this is demonstrable and meme-friendly.

The FIX-ALL RED PILL is that white Europeans are a distinct race with its own interests just like the rest and our genius and ferocity is why we are the first marked for extinction.

...actually just tell them the world is run by a "Cannibal Elite" that should work

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

The problem with your "FIX-ALL" notion is that much of the media aimed at anyone around the white European race is meant to make them immediately distance themselves from anyone who tries to focus on the white Europeans' racial identity.

Also, most people will be so upset by the implications of a "world-controlling Cannibal Elite" that their brain will immediately try to reject the notion, like a psychological "gag reflex".

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.", or in this case, "you can lead a person to the problems caused by Jews, but you can't make them recognize the Jewish problem."

GeorgeHodelDidit

I think we believe the same stuff....dont get caught in the little details....ZOG was real and ZOG is being attacked. There are many decent Jewish people helping. The evil was run in a pyramid scheme. Only the top top is aware of what they are doing. The lower ranks are likely true believers that will recoil in horror when they learn the truth.....

Their whole religion is based on a false fear of death. Death is not the end. They got tricked into believing this crap. And once upon a time people who can not feel for other human got together and created a conspiracy to take other the whole world....but they are only few......they fear large populations because if the population learned the truth then they can easily take the power back.....

Blacksmith21

What a load of shit. Either way your fucked. Either the Jews remain in "power" or the Jews stay in "power" according to you.

By logic, y'all are fucked. Because we like to stomp Nazis like y'all.

Save us a round, and put bullets in yourselves, saving us the headache when the time comes.

GeorgeHodelDidit

LOL. The Jews are not Jews......just watch it is going to be a bump ride from here on out. Exciting however for me.

Blacksmith21

Are blacks black? Or are they a special type of CryptoNegro?

GeorgeHodelDidit

Clever and funny however meaningless. It takes nothing away from the point about Jews...and you know this. Obtuse....look it up.

Blacksmith21

"Clever and funny however meaningless. It takes nothing away from the point about Jews...and you know this. Obtuse....look it up."

Translation: You have no rebuttal. Fail.

GeorgeHodelDidit

No the argument is meaningless. It is a strawman......a meaningless aside. It proves nothing. It tries to mock a well established DNA documented truth that 90% of the so called Jews are actually of Turkish stock.....Khazarian. The Jew is even lying about their orgin story.

Blacksmith21

That's the most retarded thing I've heard today. I'm curious...have you developed an alternative career path when everything crumbles around you and you need to seek new employment?

ESOTERICshade

Are blacks black? Or are they a special type of CryptoNegro?

roflmao

Blacksmith21

It must be a pretty significant operation to make it into the news like that. Arrests in progress aren't usually announced while they are underway. MS13 is swamp and PG-related.

ESOTERICshade

Spam. Everything that happens in D.C. is not pizzagate related. This "storm" game has turned into a zionist troll fest.

GregChism

Do you have more info on this storm dark occult magic thing?

ESOTERICshade

Do you have more info on this storm dark occult magic thing?

Its a metaphor. Like hearing someone say "this was a perfect storm." That means that is was probably a planned event and it was "perfect" and went as planned because it was in fact planned.

Their Goddess worship...The Goddess is basically the force of nature and water. The Goddess is said to live in a cave and be responsible for weather events such as "storms." Then you can extrapolate that out to operations such as Desert Storm when they attacked Iraq. A storm isn the desert, a perfect storm. There is also such a thing as "jewish lightening" which basically means something that was destroyed in secret by the jews in a catastrophe.

GeorgeHodelDidit

Can you imagine something.....like Trump needs to get Israel under major international pressure. If we are going to eliminate the ZOG control structure then Israel has to change....since it is the last refuge of the fleeing Jew/Masons. So there must be a final event. This move is to rally the Muslims against the Jew. Which must be a part of the take down. There will be another middle east war soon enough and now Saudi Arabia wont automatically take Israeli positions.....they are cutting Israel off. Watch for a move against the Jordanian King....since he is a Zionist Puppet.

ESOTERICshade

What's with jerusalem as capital just now ?

The Zionists literally consider themselves Gods walking upon the earth. Their desire is to kill the notion of God and especially the memory of Jesus whom they despise with a seething hate because the teachings attributed to Jesus basically invented freedom.

Their hope is to one day be literally seen as the Gods that future humanity will worship. They invented "Judeo-Christianity" which is a complete blasphemy. Christians are sitting in their churches being taught that the Jews are Gods Chosen People.

Jerusalem is important because of its historical background and involvement with Christianity. They intend to take it over and use it as their Supreme Satanic Shrine and centerpiece.

angry_mob

all truth!

ESOTERICshade

Watch for a move against the Jordanian King....since he is a Zionist Puppet.

Our government IS the Zionist and Kushner is the Supreme Zionists Czar. Like all Presidents we have Trump does what AIPAC tells him to.

GeorgeHodelDidit

WAS.....not now....unless your being Obtuse to all the changes going on. The Jew used pedophilia as a way to force our politicians to do what they wanted. It does not make sense to force THEIR puppets to leave if TRUMP is a jew puppet himself...use your fucking head man. Think.

ESOTERICshade

It does not make sense to force THEIR puppets to leave if TRUMP is a jew puppet himself...use your fucking head man. Think.

I am not making my judgements on "what makes sense" I am using observeable reality. Yemen is getting shit canned right by the Zionist playbook. Kushner is a Zionist fixer. Trump just sold Saudia Arabia weapons to finish off Yemen and Iran in the years long running decimation of the Middle East that actually goes all the way back to the Balfour Declaration. Trump filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs Bankers BY HIS OWN CHOICE. I could keep going but there is no need. Trump surrounded himself with Jews. It is what it is.

GeorgeHodelDidit

Your not seeing the big picture...the truth is all there....your either not smart enough, or have not done enough research or your in fact a shill being paid with the last couple of Zog dollars....just watch and see.

It will be come clear soon enough. Now you can decide not to believe......that time is coming to an end. The truth will not change for what you believe. All that was secret is becoming known.

SoldierofLight

Gotta ask. Are you basing this premise on posts by Q?

ESOTERICshade

All that was secret is becoming known.

When pedophiles get called out I will jump on board. Until then its endless D.C. turf battles. Just because the Democrat crime cartel is on the receiving end of an ass kicking does not mean the pedo blackmail network is getting dismantled. It means one crime syndicate is moving in on another.

inb4

"But the Republicans are not criminals"

Trump hired a whole nest of Goldman Sachs bankers and the Republican party is a criminal orgnization full of pedophiles. You are attempting to force your "beliefs" on me and calling me a shill. I am using clear, tangible, facts. You are not. Don't call me a fucking shill because your cognitive dissonance comes unwound by the facts.

I'm polite to you, even though I don't agree with you.

GeorgeHodelDidit

There is no Democrat there is no Republican...Trump was drafted by group of Patriots what wanted to expose the Luciferan/Masonic/Jew cultist. Trump is just a band leader....dont mistake he is NOT the band.

DomKeyhote

Shut the fuck up bro you are embarrassing me. ALL of Trump's kids are having sex with jews. Ivanka is personal friends with PG figures, was a molested child model, dated a Rothschild, etc. Marla Maples is publicly a kabbalist

I'd bet my last dollar Trump's a crypto-Jew and wouldn't bet a dime that he'll drain the swamp. ELITE MANHATTAN SOCIAL CLIMBERS ARENT HEROES THEY ARE FAGGOTS. FUCK TRUMP FOR EVEN BUILDING CASINOS AND SUPPORTING THE OTHER KIKE RACKETS WITH HIS RETARDED REALITY TELEVISION SHOW

AdmirableNelson

Given the deep penetration of elite power structures in the west by Saudi money and influence, not to mention the continuing traditions of human trafficking and exploitation in the region, how is it possible for upheavals in Saudi Arabia NOT to be related to pizzagate?

GeorgeHodelDidit

Dude there are NO coincidences....everything is related. Pizzagate is JFK is chemtrails is pedophilia is communism is feminism is drug culture is music industry is Hollywood is Democrat is republican is NASA is Rothschild is Zionism is Globalism is European Union is mass muslim migration is forced dilution of white people. IT IS ALL related. Everything

finska

Yes ultimately it all traces back to a coordinated attempt to kill and control the masses by this evil cult. David Icke has been saying this for years. He was one of the first to see it and pull it all together connecting the seemingly unconnected threads. I dont know why or who they really are. I'm leaning towards the idea that they may hate us so much because they are actually another race (humanoid or otherwise). This would explain the bloodline obsession. BUT what Im trying to say is most of this info is relevant cos it is connected to their NWO plan......whether people can see the bigger picture or not.

ASolo

Keep plugging away with a sincere voice of reason is our only choice. The powers that be haven't spent trillions on mind control and conditioning since the end of WWII for nothing. The sorcery used to exploit a human beings natural urge for security and safety 'trumps' those other faculties that would have made for more rational presidential choice. Time and time again this rubicon is played on the people and the people always fall for it. "We" the people are simply forced to endure the consequences and it has become obvious, and a historical lesson, that we must all ride it out as best we can. These are huge mechanical ethereal egregores created by decades of clandestine manipulations of esoteric principles that are reaching critical mass - literally massive beasts loosed upon the earth, there is no stopping it. However, salvation does lie in the truth .

oftotc

I've been watching you toil against the flood of garbage posts for weeks now. There are no serious investigators left in this sub - just distractions (LARPers), misinformation and click-whores. The signal-to-noise is too small to be of any use any more.

ESOTERICshade

Do you know any place that is still doing any real work?

oftotc

While some useful dot-connecting information appears occasionally, the information available on-line that could produce actual evidence has dwindled. The work left to be done is mostly "boots-on-the-ground" stuff. But there are few places one can put "new" information without tipping off the suspects. And until someone finds key evidence for law enforcement action, new data is purposefully protected. I am sorry that I don't have an answer. I continue to observe this sub now because it demonstrates our adversary's tactics for discrediting information.

GregChism

It isn't fun being the target of one of the bad guys, not at all. I think people should just gather evidence and disburse the results of a secret investigation on the same time and date to multiple different people, including the White House and Wikileaks. Don't send it to law enforcement before you send it to the White House. It will end up being buried.

GreenDell144

Is there anywhere else to go? I have been reading her for a year now. The good guys still pop in. Everything your complaint about is true, but is has been here since the beginning. It was worse at times. I see worthy post quite frequently. I’m not ready to give up on voat yet, but I strongly suggest that readers keep their defenses and powers of discernment at full capacity.

BloodSnail

What I don't understand is - how do posts like OP's 'distract' from the overall mission of the sub? Does OP's post somehow make other posts here less viewable?

Also, Q anon is credible. Look up Roy Potter on youtube (the best person making videos about the "Storm", there are others as well). Oh and hey, instead of posting the comment you just made, why weren't you doing more serious investigation?? Your argument makes little sense.

ESOTERICshade

I've been watching you toil against the flood of garbage posts for weeks now. There are no serious investigators left in this sub - just distractions (LARPers), misinformation and click-whores. The signal-to-noise is too small to be of any use any more.

It has gotten so bad that its useless to attempt to seriously communicate here anymore. Pathetic.

DonKeydich

Fag, you still drink TRUMP KOOLAID so don't act all superior. I called BS on Webb Cernovich Q all the fuckin kikes from day ONE and that's on record. I'll accept apologies.

Herbvendor

No, it isn't

new4now

Probaly MS13 gang members

They are pretty thick there and surrounding area

Pretty sure it's no one in politics, they are still playing Russia Russia