Will they change the narrative from "Pizzagate is fake news" to "Pizzagate is real, but it's not us" ? ( pizzagate )

submitted by newworldahead

Stumbled onto a tweet from a comedian, a typical Trump basher, that caught my attention. Here is the relevant part of that tweet:

A 30-something Roy Moore allegedly takes teens out on dates to a pizza parlor. Roy Moore is #PizzaGate

https://twitter.com/thistallawkgirl/status/939149679119491072

For starter, let's be clear here, the smear against Roy Moore is obviously 100% fake news. Not a single shred of evidence, a forged yearbook signature, Gloria Allred is in the picture, shady past of some of the accusers, suspicious timing of the accusations, etc. So it caught my eye that, instead of mocking the idea that Pizzagate is even a thing, they reverse it and weaponize it against their enemies.

Don't get me wrong, this tweet taken alone doesn't mean anything, but it got me thinking. Like many others I believe It is highly possible that the current scandal will very soon transition from "Sexual misconduct" to pedophilia and child sex abuse. When this happens, people will start to question if pizzagate was really fake news after all. It is very likely that the gatekeepers will adapt their narrative from "Pizzagate is a ridiculous conspiracy theory" to "Oh pizzagate might have some truth in it, but it's not who you think".

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

@newworldahead Stop calling it pizzagate. You look like a retard, you hurt the movement. I'm sure you're not a retard, And i'm sure you're trying to help the movement. But I'm telling you look retarded, and you're hurting the movement by looking retarded. So stop looking retarded.. In order to stop looking retarded, you have to atleast cut pizzagate from your vocabulary... I can't help you past that, But you have zero chance NOT looking retarded, if you say the retarded name.

Thanks Brother. Keep doing what you're doing, Bsides using the retarded name. It's literally that simple.

ESOTERICshade

I agree that pizzagate is the most unfortunate "gate" term I have ever seen. I wish it was something else.

newworldahead

Lol, you win the prize for the most RETARDED comment. Pizzagate is real, it's all true, all of it.

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

DUDE STOP CALLING IT PIZZAGATE. YOU CAN ONLY LOSE BY SAYING THE RETARDED NAME. FOR FUCKS SAKE STOP.

I get it... This what the sub is called...But don't ever use the name pizzagate again. You're hurting everyone when you do. Simple as that. The name is dead. Stop trying to revive it. You make things worse.

LA_Trump

This is the plan. Prepare accordingly. Good thing we’ve been seeding the Internet with the truth since the election. Use the election as the keystone. It’s a cultural flashpoint and we got #SpiritCooking #1 trending the Sunday prior.

ESOTERICshade

Speaking of narratives there is one being spun right now that should not be pizzagate related but since people suspect that the Republicans have suddenly flipped overnight to a strictly non-pedo blackmail party it has drug a lot of political issues into pizzagate and turned it rather swampy lately. I'm not sure this is an accident, but maybe a coordinated effort to dilute pizzagate and spin it into the swamp. People are trying to post a lot of threads about muh Russiagate, muh Al Franken, the GOOD (sarc) Saudis, etc....

ALBERT PIKE elite Freemason spelled this plan out very clearly in his book Morals and Dogma.

Recently a meme effort was made to spin giving Jerusalem to the Talmudist Zionists as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. That makes me want to throw things. The Old Testament that the Zionists use is the Talmud. Nobody despises Jesus more than the Zionists.

Christianity is being killed off and replaced with Zionism. Giving Jerusalem to the Zionist is the ultimate blasphemy against Christianity.

Some people can look at this next picture and understand in one meme what just happened. "Judeo-Christianity" is "Christian Zionism" and that is oil and water and destruction of Christianity. Zionists getting their hands on Jerusalem is not the 2000 year old Jews returning to their homeland (laugh)

THIS one picture sums up the goal and the Republicrats and Demipublicans are both in on it:

The War on Christianity

https://files.catbox.moe/puedvb.jpg

The Kosher Nostra controls the Christian Zionists.

The Christian Zionists teach that God's 'Chosen People', the Jews, must have their Greater Israel.

John Nelson Darby taught that God intends that the entire World will, in the future, be run from Jerusalem.

Jesus:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v0wMyms4g8Q/WipPUoLHQ_I/AAAAAAAAisM/yDus0fT4dCUBmHf-BzXJWMIOCHtHikg3QCLcBGAs/s400/Jerusalem%2B%25281%2529.jpg

John Nelson Darby was a Satanist, Freemason and agent of the Rothschild-owned British East India Company, according to John Coleman, in How Conspirators Misuse Christian Fundamentalists.

John Nelson Darby was Anglo-Irish and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren, and made several trips to America to spread his ideas.

John Nelson Darby was a Freemason.

"John Nelson Darby interest in bible prophecy came out of what he learned in the lodge from the Jewish interpretation of the ages known as Cabalism.

"Cabalism is witchcraft and sorcery and deals with ancient magic and demonic rituals."

Cyrus Scofield was a fan of John Nelson Darby.

Cyrus Scofield produced a version of the Bible which promoted the idea that God's 'Chosen People', the Jews, must have their Greater Israel.

"Cyrus I. Schofield ... politician and shyster ... after a series of forgeries and confidence games he left the state and a destitute family and took refuge in Canada...

THESE people were just given Jerusalem:

"Religious Jews follow the Talmud, which rabbis consider senior to the Tanakh (Old Testament of the Christian Bible).

"Jesus directed his most severe censures against the Pharisees, the teachers of the oral law, which they used to nullify the laws of God.

"After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, dispersed Jews continued teaching the oral law, eventually written down as the Talmud.

" The Talmud decrees that :

"Jesus is in hell, being boiled in feces.

"Gentiles are donkeys.

"When the Messiah comes, he will destroy the Christians."

Do NOT be fooled.

TL;DR Version:

CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS

http://aanirfan.blogspot.ie/2017/12/christian-zionists.html

IN DEPTH version:

The War on Christianity, Part II: The Abomination and Blasphemy of Christian Zionism

https://jamesperloff.com/2016/08/31/the-war-on-christianity-part-ii-the-abomination-and-blasphemy-of-christian-zionism/

dreamwarrior23

People have completely forgotten about the Tea Party. A quarter of my fb friends were die hard supporters but all went back to being pro HRC. They can't even see what's going on. They've programmed our brains to go from one thing to the next. PG was nationwide and absolutely huge. For the amount of publicity it received and now, nothing.

Blacksmith21

It's almost like the DS turned up the volume on the technical MK platforms...(to aaffect those susceptible to programming which is most of the civilized world)

Gothamgirl

They have all the money and power but they can't stop the truth or us.

11297894?

Not thinking they will get buy with it.

green_man

Liberal playbook 101: Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of.

BloodSnail

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Psalm144-1

^ This should say "Political Playbook 101"

We need to keep this thing objective and free from any political party allegiances. Repubs are guilty of these crimes as well, never forget that! Dennis Hastert is/was a R!

Z11Mama

That is what guilty people do. Narcissists. Sociopaths. I guess we can now add liberal to the list :)

Are_we__sure

For starter, let's be clear here, the smear against Roy Moore is obviously 100% fake news. Not a single shred of evidence, a forged yearbook signature.....

Actually you have several witnesses worth of evidence. Which is far more than you have against Podesta or Alefantis.

And those witnesses are backed up by supporting and contemporaneous evidence.

Kregan

@Are_we__sure- Show me the evidence then??? They refused to hand over the year book because it would show it was a forgery which is now coming out to be true. We see as the mainstream media tries to brush over that aspect and sweep it under the rug. Also why would you defend the Podesta's??? There was FBI substantiated coded language which was and is used in sex trafficking of children and hoards of evidence of shady business by the Clinton's who are in very close ties to the Podesta's and others. As for your assertion that there is more evidence in the Roy Moore ALLEGATIONS then there is against Podesta or Alefantis, answer me this then ... why did Tony Podesta step down from his own company and Roy Moore is still campaigning??? Meanwhile a Senator and Congressman of the the democratic party (Franken and Conyers) both have stepped down and why is that??? It is because there is actual tangible point your finger at evidence against both of them! All they have on Moore is a Salem Witch Trial case and quite frankly Moore could be guilty but if we just throw out due process over allegations lacking any real evidence we are taking steps backwards in our Republic. Note all these ALLEGATIONS came out right before a campaign for a vacant senate seat! The timing alone should lead an honest person to be skeptical of the entire situation. I will take it a step further and blame these women if they are in fact telling the truth! If someone waits 30-40 years to report any crime it kinda takes away from their credibility. It might sound insensitive but it does not make it any less true. If you have a crime committed against you, then you must step up in reasonable time frame to hold that person accountable in our so called justice system. Stupid allegations like these and others take away from the people who really cannot speak up like children and those who have been literally silenced by death. There is so much more sex crimes that do not get reported against children because we are focused on stupid #metoo shit. It disgusts me to see people arguing over groping allegations when we have 100,000 people missing at any given time in the US alone and the number of children missing each year in the US is estimated to be around 800,000 ... how is that for contemporaneous evidence???

Are_we_sure

Show me the evidence then??? They refused to hand over the year book because it would show it was a forgery which is now coming out to be true.

This is not the case at all. She is still saying that signature is by Roy Moore.

The printing of the place and date she added.

There was FBI substantiated coded language

This is absolutely false. There's zero coded language in the Podesta emails AND the FBI has never substantiated any code. What the FBI did do is talk about symbols. None of which were in the Podesta emails. Some pizzagaters have conflated the fake code list with the Real FBI document on the symbols. The code list was often passed around as a screenshot. It was just from an anonmyous internet poster, not a law enforcement document. This is a reason I defende them. The evidence isn't there.

why did Tony Podesta step down from his own company and Roy Moore is still campaigning???

These are not in any way equivalent. Also Podesta stepped down because of he violated the FARA act. That is completely separate from pizzagate, no pizzagater ever mentioned this last year.

(Franken and Conyers)

Again not equivalent.

All they have on Moore is a Salem Witch Trial case

Which side were on in that case?

The timing alone should lead an honest person to be skeptical of the entire situation. I will take it a step further and blame these women if they are in fact telling the truth! If someone waits 30-40 years to report any crime it kinda takes away from their credibility.

Note all these ALLEGATIONS came out right before a campaign for a vacant senate seat! The timing alone should lead an honest person to be skeptical of the entire situation. I will take it a step further and blame these women if they are in fact telling the truth! If someone waits 30-40 years to report any crime it kinda takes away from their credibility. It might sound insensitive but it does not make it any less true. If you have a crime committed against you, then you must step up in reasonable time frame to hold that person accountable in our so called justice system. Stupid allegations like these and others take away from the people who really cannot speak up like children and those who have been literally silenced by death.

This is motivated reasoning and I"m pretty sure you're aware of that.

There is so much more sex crimes that do not get reported against children because we are focused on stupid #metoo shit. It disgusts me

Wow. So you don't actually care about allegations of sexual misconduct. Got it.

to see people arguing over groping allegations when we have 100,000 people missing at any given time in the US alone and the number of children missing each year in the US is estimated to be around 800,000 ... how is that for contemporaneous evidence???

It's a widely used, but incorrect number. That 800,000 is now under 500,000 and that does not mean 500,000 kidnappings a year, it includes every instance of a missing kid. Even if they just got lost at the mall and are found with an hour. For a better understanding of these stats, check this out. http://www.pollyklaas.org/about/national-child-kidnapping.html

Also, there were 33,000 open cases of missing kids last year. Runaways would be the vast majority of them.

According to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) Missing Person File, there are 88,040 active missing person records, of which juveniles under the age of 18 account for 33,706 (38.3%) of the records. (as of December 31, 2016)

newworldahead

Lol, I knew I would see your name in this thread. Here you are trying to give credence to the hit job on Moore... exactly like you did in the past when you defended the fake Trump dossier.

By the way, Nelson just admitted to have forged the yearbook signature, woopsy! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/bombshell-roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-yearbook/

Are_we_sure

Fox News updates story after inaccurately reporting Moore accuser forged yearbook entry http://hill.cm/rL6T2i0

But Nelson does not claim she tampered with Moore’s actual signature. She said she added a time and location below the signature. Nelson still attributes the note and signature to Moore.

We rate the statement Pants on Fire.

newworldahead

You are being dishonest, a real libtard. if you were honest you would admit that she lied about the signature. Go apply for a job at CNN or MSNBC, they love people like you.

Are_we_sure

She admitted that? Should make for a interesting press conference today.

Inbox: Roy Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelson and her attorney Gloria Allred will hold a press conference in Atlanta, Georgia today to present expert evidence that Roy Moore signed Beverly’s yearbook.

The Trump dossier is fake? Russia doesn't seem to think so.

We tried to reach Oleg Erovinkin for comments about his appearance in the dossier, but he was unavailable.

newworldahead

Dude believes Pizzagate is a ridiculous conspiracy theory yet think Pee-Pee gate has credibility.

Are_we_sure

You don't know how an intelligence dossier works. Raw intelligence always needs to be evaluated with other evidence to reach a determination.

What Christopher Steele was reporting was what he had been told by his sources. To determine truth you need to evaluate if the the sources are telling the truth. Are they claiming first hand knowledge or just repeating something they heard. If they are claiming firsthand knowledge, are they in a position to have this knowledge normally? If they are talking about a conversation between two people at the Mayflower hotel on a certain date, can you find out if those people were actually in the hotel that day? Are they lying? Are they telling the truth, but repeating lies that were told to them. Is this just gossip. An example, a guy in Texas who said "I think Obama spent $65,000" on pizza and hot dogs. Is that true or is that gossip?

A lot in the dossier has checked out including details a large scale cyber campaign against the US and possession of damaging material on Clinton...just like Don Jr was promised. This before it was revealed the DNC emails were hacked. Also included, details of a massive sale of part of Rosneft, Russian state oil company, he said 19% was to be sold. 19.5% was sold and people think the half percent was the brokerage fee. The number two guy at the oil company was found dead in his car. Heart attack they said. However, he was in the trunk of his car. Carter Page told Congress that went to Moscow and met with high government officials and an official as Rosneft.

He talking about a Russian diplomat in Florida was actually a spy. Russian pulled him home super quick.

Regarding the kompromat on Trump. Here's what we do know of that night.

Trump had just pulled off a big business deal for a tower in Moscow and was celebrating.

He was offered prostitutes. Trump's bodyguard said someone wanted to send 5 prostitutes up to room, but he prevented it. He watched Trump's door for a while and then he went to sleep.

The BBC reported in January of witnesses who saw someone arguing with hotel security over the prositutes (to keep them from having to sign in apparently ) “There are, though, reports of witnesses in the hotel who corroborate Steele’s reporting. These include an American who’s said to have seen a row with the hotel security over whether the hookers would be allowed up to Trump’s suite. "

newworldahead

Priceless. You talk about the pizza/dogs email being just gossip... then you turn all serious with the "Kompromat on Trump" as it was somehow backed by evidence. You write a lot of words but doesn't make a lot of sense. You don't have a clue about how an intelligent dossier work yourself. Stop pretending you care about the truth, it is not working.

Are_we_sure

The kompromat on Trump is backed by evidence. But it's not at all conclusive. I don't think the kompromat is proven at all. The dossier itself look better all the time.

The pizza/dogs email is not backed up by anything. And it's clearly secondhand.

newworldahead

The pizza/dogs email is real evidence. It is an authentic email leaked by WL. While it's true that there MIGHT exist an innocent explanation for the following:

I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?

... as long as the sender and recipient of this email refuse to provide a proper explanation, it cannot be discarded, even less "debunked". It remains a suspicious email, and a piece of evidence.

Are_we_sure

I know it's a real email. My point is it's obvious in the email itself, it's secondhand information.
"I think."

... as long as the sender and recipient of this email refuse to provide a proper explanation, it cannot be discarded, even less "debunked". It remains a suspicious email, and a piece of evidence.

Yeah, your evidence is suspicion backed up by nothing else. You think people who had their emails hacked need to answer your suspicions.

newworldahead

Therefore even the guy in the email can't say this is actually true. That's why I say it's gossip.

What are you talking about? Did you speak with the guy in the email to affirm something like that? If this is all so innocent, it should not be too hard to answer the question: "Hey Stratfor guy, what did you mean in this pizza/dogs email?". If you don't know the answer to this question, you cannot say it is "secondhand information".

Yeah, your evidence is suspicion backed up by nothing else. You think people who had their emails hacked need to answer your suspicions.

There are enough reasons to believe that these people are involved in some really troubling stuff. Yes, we deserve answers, whether you like it or not.

Seriously man, I really don't know what you are doing in this forum. You've been trolling here since PIZZAGATE broke (I wrote PIZZAGATE in CAPS just for my buddy @FuckUredditFuckuSpez ). What are you trying to achieve? If Pizzagate is fake in your eyes, what are you doing here day after day?

Are_we_sure

It's absolutely secondhand information. It's obvious from his words that he uses that he is repeating something he was told.

newworldahead

Even if he was repeating something he was told as you said (the fact that he said 'I think' doesn't prove anything but let's disregard this for now), what difference does it make? What is your point? It doesn't mean the information itself is not important.

Are_we_sure

My point is that there's no way to tell if the information is true. It's no more than gossip.

newworldahead

"No way to tell if the information is true" ? How about questioning the sender and receiver of this email about it?

Are_we_sure

Knock yourself out.

See if that advances our knowledge. Or if he's pissed about getting his emails stolen and decides to ignore you.

newworldahead

Haha... you cannot be for real. I've heard enough, have a great day.

carmencita

We have had too many politicians arrested. They can try whatever they want. We will not let them get away with that. No.

ESOTERICshade

We have had too many politicians arrested.

Did I miss it?

carmencita

Well, maybe never enough of them, but there have been some in state govt. that have been caught with minors and have been sentenced. The last one I believe was in Okla. What I meant is that we have made inroads (not enough) and they will keep trying to stop us. But we will not let them. We are on our way. Today I am afraid to leave my laptop waiting for the PedoBig Reveal

ESOTERICshade

but there have been some in state govt. that have been caught with minors and have been sentenced. The last one I believe was in Okla.

True.

Today I am afraid to leave my laptop waiting for the PedoBig Reveal

They have the ammo if they are serious. Guess we just have to wait and see.

carmencita

There is a new listing on CDAN and it implies J Epstein and R Branson.....but also in the comments was this: a suggestion that George Clooney also be outed.

derram

https://archive.fo/e8dRi :

Marie Connor on Twitter: "@realDonaldTrump Mike Flynn allegedly promised to rip up Russian sanctions so his ex business partner could build a nuclear power plant in the Middle East.… t.co/9ffhZK7G59"

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