elephantdoesntforget

I've heard of something called the "Jazz guide" before. Creeps have straight referred to Jazz or 'all that jazz' in no context whatsoever with underage children.

Anyone have a copy of it?

millennial_vulcan

I remember reading about this poor kid James Bulger . Gotta ask. KNOWING WHAT WE ALL NOW KNOW ....any chance this kid was abused by adult pedos? The pedos paid the two young boys to lure him from the mall (I know this was captured on mall cameras) over to where they did what they did, then they disposed of him?

Its somewhat hard to believe that two young boys did the physical things they did to James, no matter how damaged or abused they were themselves.

Any UKers here?

@carmencita @dtneslo @TriciaUK @BeatlesFan @letsdothis1

DerivaUK

I did a paper on this subject as I was at Uni doing Forensic Psychology. There was no one else involved except those two boys. It took a long time before the actual details of the crime were released but I was priveleged to get to see case files due to where I did my placement year. I wish I could remember the name of the guy who wrote a small book outlining the psychology of the two, and the best theorised reasons behind it that I encountered in my research. ( I’ve been looking for it for years)

millennial_vulcan

what were your findings on how two 10 year olds could possibly be so evil, they knew how to cut off a pe is and shove batteries up an a us. It just doesn't make sense to me. This is what I read happened. I immediately thought the batteries shoved up there were to cover up the fact he may have been an*lly raped by unknown perps.

AGAIN, knowing what we all now know, its crucial to question past news events.

RIP James. @carmencita @UnicornandSparkles @TriciaUK @ Any Brits here ?

carmencita

This story, no matter who did it, just makes me so very sick. Who ever did this is really sick. And if they did blame it on the boys they are even worse. I can't even find a name for that. And what they did, how does someone even get to that point. It just breaks your heart

MolochHunter

its reasonable to suspect the young perpetrators were corrupted themselves, but there's nothing that sticks out about the case suggesting Venables potential abuser wasnt a regular/singular paedophile as opposed to the institutionalised/organised paedophilia that pizzagate concerns itself with. If it did have some connection you'd get a sense of media coverup, and this case was always dead centre in the public eye

think-

It's good that we question everything in the light of what we know.

Unlike @DerivaUK , I've followed the case only in the news. I thought that the two boys had suffered from abuse/torture themselves (maybe they were raped anally, which would explain the way they used the batteries.)

Unfortunately, it's not uncommon that children abuse other children, there have been incidents at Eton where the younger boys got raped by the older ones.

Last year, a 17yr. old Eton boy went to trial who had produced (!) and distributed the most horrible kind of child porn imaginable.

carmencita

I also believe something is not the way it seems. Yes UKers please speak out. @UnicornandSparkles

LostUnicorn

@carmencita have just seen this ping! Phone is currently broken so using this alt account. Maybe this was a media coverup. However the way it has always been told to us was it was the 2 young boys. It shocked the nation at the time.

carmencita

I can imagine how it would shock the nation. I have noticed lately that there have been a few horrid crimes committed by children here. A couple mos. ago there was a 18 yr old boy that confessed to his mother that he raped a small child and they found that he had raped as many as 50 or more. I find this rather suspicious really. I think they are setting these kids up to take the wrap for their crimes. I don't know why there is not more of an outcry for a deeper investigation. Oh, yes they are vile enough to pin heinous crimes on children. No one should be mistaken that they are not evil enough.

millennial_vulcan

I remember reading about this poor kid James Bulger . Gotta ask. KNOWING WHAT WE ALL NOW KNOW ....any chance this kid was abused by pedos? The pedos paid the two young boys to lure him from the mall (I know this was captured on mall cameras) over to where they did what they did, then they disposed of him?

migratorypatterns

Good catch.

carmencita

OK, now I am confused. How can a 10 yr. old do this kind of stuff? Idk, there seems to be some Missing Links here. At first I was thinking the pics were of abused children. But they always blur their pictures out. Now I understand that these boys doing the actual crime. Sick if true, but I am also still questioning the validity. Someone explain if I am wrong.

think-

Carmencita, this has been one of the most disturbing murders in the last decades in Britain, since the murdered child was a toddler and the murderers were young boys.

Venables and his accomplice got some years in prison, and then they were given a new identity.

He was already jailed again once for possessing child porn.

These images they found now don't show the murder, it's 'regular' child porn.

MolochHunter

The murder was when Venables was 10, 25 odd years ago but the his child porn convictions are recent

carmencita

This guy is now a real Pervert Scumbag for sure. But something seems odd to me. He is convicted along with a classmate of killing this precious 2 yr old little boy. Where is the classmate in this? Has he had any arrests and is he still in jail? Was he jailed? I know that every once in a while we hear of a child committing a heinous crime such this. I say that those that are charged and convicted must be researched to the core. Is this guy being railroaded (although he is guilty of CP) for murder? Has he been given such a short sentence because he has taken the place of someone else? Perhaps someone in his family? Idk it just seems odd. They also may be covering for him now, for he may be providing this CP for Elites or a CP Ring. There are a lot of unanswered questions in here. Either way he is still a scumbag. That poor mother. For a moment's mistake in a weak moment she must live with this for the rest of her life. This is all so very Heartbreaking.

think-

The other boy who murdered James Bulger was given a prison sentence, too, and he too got a new identity.

They were given short sentences because they were children when they murdered. I don't think anybody else murdered the toddler.

I'm afraid 40 months is the regular punishment for someone possessing child porn in Britain.

Remember the Tory politician that got convicted ten days ago? He not only had child porn on his PC, he made and distributed it and got only two years and nine months (meaning he will be out of prison soon bc I doubt that he will serve the full sentence.)

carmencita

It looks as if British LE has a Revolving Door Policy for CP Offenders. The reason for this, as you surely know, is that many of those that are arrested are supplying those nasty videos for the Elites. It is for sure that this guy is a Low Life Scumbag of the highest order, but it always makes me wonder what in the world was done to those two boys to make them commit such a heinous crime. Did they ever look into their being heinously abused as well? I think it is a huge possibility. Either way he needs to be locked up for life now. Twice is 2 times too many. They may never punish him further for the murder, for he has served his allotted time, but these horrid videos need a very Stiff Message and Sentence. A Pedo Warning.

think-

...but these horrid videos need a very Stiff Message and Sentence. A Pedo Warning.

Agree! You can bet that he will continue collecting CP once he will be out of prison again.

carmencita

I think one of the most important pieces of information that needs to be driven into people's heads while Red Pilling them is, Once A Pedo, Always A Pedo. They can never be cured. Yes, these people were also brutally raped, but now there is nothing that can be done for them, but to protect society from them. I think some people rationalize it by the fact that they were also harmed, but the point is, there is No Turning Back. There is no amount of Therapy, There is No Magic Pill. Lifetime Incarceration and Death Penalty are the only answer. I know you will agree.

think-

I know you will agree.

Not really ;-) - I'm against Death Penalty. But I agree that those who focuse solely on children for their sexual gratification cannot be cured.

Sentences are too low, and they should be kept in custody - maybe not in jail, but in special units, to protect society.

carmencita

I also was against the death penalty, and for most crimes I am. But when reading about these horrid inhuman and heinous crimes, it scares me to death that one of them may be let out because of their lineage or elite connections. It is the crime of pedophilia in the brutal rape of any child no matter the age or their death, that always gets to me. Since this person committed the crime as a child yes, there should not be a penalty of death, but he needs to spend the rest of his life in jail, before he takes the life of another child, if he has not already.

Sackajahweeda

Someone on Reddit a while back said that he is known to brag about his identity and the crime at his menial jobs and that they change his identity at a cost of 250k a name...he supposedly has had 3-4 now. DISGUSTING!!! Not sure if this is true but seems legit as the guy was worried about being charged with doxxing him and couldnt afford a barrister.

carmencita

Who is paying that 250K? Where is the money coming from? Hmm. I think we can guess. Seems some may be covering for him Big Time.

Sackajahweeda

I guess he inferred that the crown would to hide his identity when doxxed...even though hes at work fully running his mouth about the killing and who he is.

carmencita

This is beyond disgusting. He is just coming right out with it. Not even hiding it. Are they not worried that people will start asking questions? I guess people just don't care anymore. When the news comes out about such a heinous crime they all say how very horrid it is, and Oh the poor little boy, but then they just ignore it all, when it is staring right in their face. Good God!

Sackajahweeda

Its AMAZING how many people came out and CRITISIZED THE GUY FOR DOXXING HIM...RUFKM?! People actually upset about him giving out info of a murderous braggart that is obviously not capable or willing to make change so fuck him I say!! How much more protection is the crown giving this db that they missed giving his victim?

carmencita

I f the crown is repeatedly covering for him, there may be more to this story. Very telling indeed. Is he taking the wrap for someone else? How come they are paying him? Odd Indeed. You are correct. How much protection. And I say Why.

Sackajahweeda

Yeah its strange and its also strange that he can continue in his disgusting path and gets a new identity out of it. But we all know that the UK is rife with pedos and apologists alike.

carmencita

All I can say is something Royally Stinks. Pretty Obvious.

anotherdream

At least some people are still concerned about what's appropriate to the thread. Seems like a bunch of newbie garbage is floating to the top lately. This is good stuff.

DeathToMasonsASAP

The mods can be blamed for that. This is a good thread however.

AxolotlThanksaLotl

Honestly anymore I think at least some of the mods are either so vehement about 'free speech' that they refuse to delete the many threads that are utter trash (e.g. the recent one about the 'connection' between homosexuals and pedophilia), or, and I think this is way more likely than people think, some (or all) of them are, for lack of a better word, shills, who are encouraging misinformation and inflammatory content, especially if it makes this whole thing look more like a far, far right conspiracy (seriously, how many comments/threads basically praising Hitler does this sub need??), in order to keep the majority of people away. Especially after the whole episode with Alefantis threatening a user here, I can't imagine that him or people like him WOULDN'T get involved backstage with this sub, to try to get a handle on it and save their own skin. They're not idiots, they know what could happen if more people actually start looking into the evidence. This is why I try to encourage people to stop posting stuff about how terrible Jews/gay people/leftists/etc are, but I have a feeling I'm probably talking to shills half the time. That sort of content should be discouraged even if NONE of them are shills, because it makes it virtually impossible to introduce the majority of people to this topic, seeing as they'll run into no end of unrelated, unhelpful comments and threads.

Anyways, point is, I concur, this thread is 10000% more useful than the majority of threads submitted recently.

think-

The 'newbies' are the same person or group, they use different alts until they get banned.

carmencita

I totally agree. It's why we came her in the first place.

anotherdream

I don't wanna get into the habit of bashing newcomers but my shill-dar starts going off when I see some ridiculous post from a 3 day member.

carmencita

Who? OP has been here over 1 yr. There is someone here for about an hour though.

anotherdream

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm all for new blood, and people getting excited to learn about this stuff, but it feels instinctively .... It was like what happened to reddit. After major events the boards get flooded with bullshit newbs posting garbage and causing havoc in the comments. I just start to get twitchy when I see the new members.

carmencita

Oh, I totally agree, I love to see newbs too. Sometimes it is hard to know, but usually there is a small tip off. If you are on here long enough, most are easy to spot. Someone should make a list and post it.

anotherdream

Just in general, I keep seeing posts on several boards from members that are crazy new, and the posts always seem distracting; full of old news, stuff that's been covered, or stuff that kind of flies off the rails a bit.

MolochHunter

I think its perfectly fine to have newbs repost old stuff that makes some of us oldies yawn. Sometimes there's stuff that we missed way back, sometimes its stuff we didnt think was salient and have forgotten, and new developments make you go 'aha! - that WAS important back then I just didnt realise its significance'

dot connecting is an unfolding process

anotherdream

Point well taken. I agree. That's why I instantly regretted my hair triggered newb bashing. I guess we were all there at some point. For example, the Scalia thread. Good reminder for everybody about the timeline and Podesta's email. Podesta's emails should remain the cornerstone of much of this. They disclosed more than any other single dump IMO; still producing leads and connecting dots.

DeathToMasonsASAP

G...wonder why...who is in charge of this board anyway?

carmencita

Yeah, I know I have noticed it as well. A constant parade of shills as of late. Every day. They are blanketing us with a Wall of Garbage.

Mylifeforanorange

👍🏻👍🏻

think-

'StevePaddock', 'Activated Corn', 'Flippant Laker' and some other names are shill accounts.

They try to clutter the sub, and also to collect SCP, so they can participate in voting once the new rules will be set in place.

DerivaUK

And sending completely irrelevant DM’s and pings!

LostUnicorn

Always found this happened when I was close to the truth. As almost a scare tactic.

srayzie

I think that definitely is a pizzagate related post!

Narcissism

The boys, it's said, grew up 'afraid of each other'. They bit, hammered, battered, tortured each other." Was sexual abuse involved?

LostUnicorn

I believe it was. They put batteries up the 2 year old victims bottom. I know I have read atleast one of these boys was sexually abused.

Narcissism

Interesting - thk for confirming.

carmencita

Omg. That is horrid and so very heartbreaking. This scares me to death thinking about how sick these people are. That poor child. And we wonder how pedophiles are created.

Narcissism

Almost for sure Jon Venables was abused himself as a child. A never ending cycle....