ESOTERICshade

This will be discussed.

Maybe we should use the analysis of the "We Will Win" post as an example in the discussion. Maybe post what I wrote about that post, how it didn't fit the rule or explain the post, but hey, it was a good post anyway. Look in that thread. It was the morale booster of the day. They were breaking out the champagne bottles in that post and having a blast. A post that should have been deleted because the title did not describe the post. They would have missed all that fun and morale boost if that post had been deleted because of the title. Home bro, I think we might have just found something we an do to reduce the chances of misery around here.

This is exactly why I keep preaching "common sense." A mod with common sense and good intentions might be able to work with this rule, but, why keep a piece of barb wire laying in the trail? I know a mod that would have deleted this post, waited for the bitching to set in, and then moaned about how victimized he was. We can eliminate that possibility real quick. :)

ESOTERICshade

This post was a sloppy pass route

It wobbled a little in the air on the title seams but it still hit the numbers :) If we nit pick these posts like that we are going to continue to piss people off and there is no need in deleting a good post because of the title. None. We are here to deliver good content not to be rule experts. The only reason people are so freaked out about these damn rules is because one damn mod created an atmosphere of total hell with these rules and it has to stop.

If our mods are going to delete good posts because of a fucking title then we need to abolish the rule about titles having to be relevant and this post "We Will Win" is a good example of that. Do I want a good post in the trash bin, and a pissed off poster over a nit picking title? Hell no and there is no excuse for it. As a matter of fact, the more I think about this, that damn rule might be a bur under our saddle.

The volume in this forum is not high enough to make it absolutely critical that we know about the post before it is allowed to stay. We really need to think about this rule.

ESOTERICshade

Keep in mind that it was a shitty low-effort title and I would have downvoted it based on that.

I wouldn't because i'm not expecting posters to build a watch. I just want them to give me some good relevant shit to read. If they don't do it perfectly frankly I could give a shit less. Make it relevant, if you don't build me a watch i'm cool with that too.

I am glad the following post stayed up, and, by those standards this post would not have stood a chance, none. Win what? Winning is related to child abuse how? Who is "we." blah blah blah blah....I had no idea what this post was about and it didn't burn my mental cash register wondering about it either. I clicked it, I read it, and it was ok in spite of the fact that the title told me exactly jack shit about the post. If I wanted be a nit picking rule freak who just had to have everything perfect I could sit here and dare anybody that wanted to try to "prove me wrong" about the title and before it was over I could be the know it all asshole champion winner of a useless fucking arguement and tell everybody to stop victimizing me.

But I don't need to be anybodys victim. My daddy was an award winning famous champion football coach. I watched him draw plays at night all night long before a huge game. The next night I got to sit on the sidelines and watch how shit got done. His motto is "make it fukn happen, git it done, and don't be a pussy about it." Sort of the way I feel.

We Will Win

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2397469

ESOTERICshade

A new mod made a rookie mistake

Cool. That is all I wanted to hear. I was asking more to see what you thought than what the mod thought. As long as we all know it was a mistake is all I care about because if anybody around here thinks it was a good pull then, hell no.

It was a mistake. I don't care. Shit happens. I was mainly checking you out because I wanted to make sure you knew it was a bad pull because if you thought it was a good pull I was gonna be not fukn happy :)

ESOTERICshade

That was the consensus IIRC - my PMs have blown up so I'd have to go look again, but I'm fairly certain this was the one and IIRC it was sorted.

I don't understand. tl:dr Just tell you think this was a bad pull and I will be happy :)

ESOTERICshade

think- probably a little nervous and is to be expected but this post was on time. This one was judged way too tight. We will get there new mod just needs practice.

ESOTERICshade

@kevdude isn't this pull a little too tight? It is about a charity and child abuse.

Post title:

Charity covered up child sex abuse

Title of Article:

Save the Children warned a DECADE ago that aid workers were coercing children into sex - as Haitian president accuses organisations of cover-up

Bad pull. This should not have been pulled.

think-

@Bozito , thank you very much for this post! The article is a worthwhile read, and important info regarding the unfolding scandal about misbehaviour and child rape by aid workers in Haiti.

However, the title is a bit misleading, as the report accuses several organizations of sexually exploiting children, not just one charity (although Oxfam comes to mind).

I would therefore ask you to please change the title of your submission.

May I suggest to simply copy the Daily Mail headline:

'Save the Children warned a DECADE ago that aid workers were coercing children into sex - as Haitian president accuses organisations of cover-up'

Unfortunately, at present we don't have the possibility to edit a headline, while the post stays up.

So I'm very sorry, but I have to delete the post per rule 3 - please fix and repost with new title .

(Should only take a couple of minutes).

Thank you!

3: Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content3: Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content

please see rules in sidebar.

ESOTERICshade

I think the title was good enough. Close enough. We friends so don't be offended but it IS a charity covering up child abuse.

Bozito

You should have given me a chance to fix before deleting.

think-

I would have loved to @Bozito , as this was really only a minor issue.

But unfortunately, I couldn't, as Voat doesn't allow headlines to be edited. I can tell you both @Vindicator and I would love it when this would be possible.

Please don't take it personally, this wasn't meant as an action against you. It is a very interesting article, please do repost. Thank you.

Bozito

Your interpretation of my title is subjective and inconsistent with other posts.. I see other titles saying "emergency action" and no clarification yet it is not deleted for " lack of clarity."

think-

The title gives the impression that only one charity covered up child sex abuse.

The article states that it were several of them. So the title doesn't reflect the content adequately.

The original headline of the Daily Mail article reflects the content precisely, so I suggested you might want to use it.

In fact, I think you'll get more readers when using DM's original title, since everybody here has already been reading several articles that focused on Oxfam. You'll get certainly more traction when using the original headline, since it presents an interesting new angle.

Thank you.

Bozito

"We will win" is another example of a bs title you ignored while deleting mine

Bozito

Your overzealous deletions won't help this subverse thrive. You overstepped; bottom line.

derram

https://archive.fo/Fgn8M :

Charity warned aid workers coerced children 10 years ago | Daily Mail Online

"The scale of abuse by aid workers and peacekeepers overseas was 'significant' and 'chronically under-reported', according to a report published a decade ago.", "The research found 'every kind of child sexual abuse and exploitation imaginable' was taking place.", "That is the ultimate denial. ' In the interview with The Guardian, Mr Goldring accused critics of 'gunning' for the charity over the Haiti sex scandal.", "He spoke out after reports that several of the charity's aid workers had used prostitutes in Haiti while providing humanitarian work, following the 2011 earthquake."

'In an open letter to a broadcaster in his native Belgium, he said he feared that Oxfam, other aid workers and those they help would suffer from false accusations. '

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Bozito

Related to pizzagate as reflects pattern of institutionalized child sex abuse. From preying on the vulnerable to covering up and continued flagrant criminal behavior the cycle is repeated across many power structures.