CDAN: A+ list singer turned child molester left rental house with what looked like remnants of cages big enough to hold humans. ( pizzagate )

submitted by RagingShieldMaiden

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/02/blind-item-2_20.html

There were bolts still in the wall and camera outlets above them when the owner of this rental house took possession. He called police because he said it looked like the remnants of cages inside the house big enough to hold humans. It would be interesting to hear what this former A+ list singer turned child molester has to say about it.

Comments lean toward R Kelly aka "Rapper into pissing and fucking girls on video"...

jervybingly

It is difficult to "hide out" even in SE Asia if you are a well-known singer. He or she can be extradited back to their country of origin, and many have been.

Plague1

R. Kelly is a child rapist, not an A+ list singer. He's at best a has-been that did a cover song that was really popular with a kid's movie.

Vindicator

LOL. Oh goodie!

It's the least we can do for him, given all the hell Voat has endured on our behalf.

new4now

R Kelly is a good guess

According to local reports, documents filed with the magistrate court of Fulton County last week (February 13) show that the controversial R&B performer has been evicted from two homes he was renting in Johns Creek, a suburb of Atlanta. The addresses listed properties on Old Homestead Trail and Saint Devon Crossing.

The documents also allege that Kelly owes SB Property Management Global, LLC more than $31,000 (£22,000) in unpaid rent.

Last year, Kelly was the focus of an investigative report by Buzzfeed, which alleged that Kelly runs an “abusive and controlling cult” of young women and aspiring female musicians. Kelly denied the allegations.

He was also later accused of physical abuse, sexual coercion, emotional manipulation and using starvation as a punishment by an ex-girlfriend. He also denied those claims in a statement.

http://www.nme.com/news/music/r-kelly-evicted-from-two-atlanta-homes-2245853

I believe they are still investigating

InnocentAngels

Remember this guy outside Atlanta that was holding eight young women hostage working as prostitutes? Was he a R Kelly wannabe or have ties to him? http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/man-accused-of-holding-8-women-captive-appears-in-court/505345868

Mylifeforanorange

The shills are on this one, they come out early, swinging

forgotmypassword-sad

shitty website.

Shizy

Yawn

septimasexta

Why is CDAN allowed to be posted with NO verifying links? While the topic appears to be pizzagate related, it is always in the realm of gossip/ speculation. This should have a 24 hour flair like the rest of us get. This post is not research based. Where are the photos? Is there a copy of the filed police report?

Vindicator

In this case, septima, CDAN itself is the supporting link for the claim made in the headline. If RagingShieldMaiden had written a title directly claiming "Rapper left human cages in rental house" there would be a problem. But the title was that a gossip blog with a history of having solid information reported he left behind cages. The link supports the title, and RSM did a good job writing an accurate title that didn't claim more than it should.

At least, that is my perspective.

septimasexta

One of my posts was not treated this way. My title was the actual title of the linked article. It made a key claim in the article it said was sourced from abc, however it did not give a link. I was put on 24 hr notice to find the link, AND RIGHTFULLY SO. I did provide the link and the post stayed up. I have nothing against CDAN, but I would expect equal treatment in research standards. The strength of VOAT is a well documented research post. Just my opinion.

think-

@septimasexta , was it this quote:

Cruz told investigators he heard the strange demonic voices in his head instructing him on how to conduct the massacre, according to a report by ABC News.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2402218

I agree with @Vindicator on this. The difference is that CDAN doesn't name names when merely talking about an 'A list singer' or 'A+ list actor', it's the users who do guesses in their comments.

This is why OP said 'comments lean toward...'

The quote you cited, however, named a specific person, and in this case it is important to establish the source of the quote.

Rule 2: Empiricism: EACH factual claim that is not common knowledge must be sourced with a link.

But the CDAN blinds are not factual claims, they claim to be nothing more than gossip, and they don't point out the person's names.

@Vindicator

I would suggest to bring this up again when we'll have our rules discussion in the near future.

think-

@kevdude @ben_matlock @Honeybee_

Please see parent.

Vindicator

Thanks for elaborating on this, septima. I see your point. I'm not sure what the best solution is, though. In the case of your post, there was an easily verifiable primary source mentioned that wasn't linked and could have been fake or taken out of context (not judging here -- just speaking from the 40,000 foot level).

In the case of CDAN, no primary sources are possible because it IS a gossip blog. Nothing said there can truly be called anything but rumor -- which is why I never sticky CDAN stuff. We'd have to banish it completely to v/pizzagatewhatever , which might be appropriate and what the community wants. Yet I believe (and I think many others do as well) that CDAN is useful in providing CLUES that might help make sense of other information, leaks, events, actions and stuff that is supported by primary sources. Many articles by True Pundit based on his connections in the intelligence and law enforcement fall into the same category. My sense has been that board members have been frustrated by the number of removals and wanted to see more quality content left up, and that CDAN is quality content, though unverified.

Soon, we will have the ability for users to start referendums to call for a vote on something link "CDAN isn't research and belongs in v/pizzagatewhatever " or "Posts based on unnamed sources belong in v/pizzagatewhatever " and we will be able to gauge the community's stance.

Perhaps for now, the best solution is to deploy the "Unverified" flair on CDAN threads and others whose links lack traceable primary sources?

@think- @ben_matlock @kevdude

septimasexta

Thanks for all of the explanations. I do think it is important to differentiate between the type of posts. What if another "blind" site gets posted that does not have the "proven" track record of CDAN? For now this works, but could be a problem later. Not trying to be a troublemaker. The real problem is FEAR. People know things, but are afraid of retaliation if they tell the truth.

think-

Didn't read this last comment of yours, @Vindicator before I posted mine a couple of minutes ago, I agee with you.

I don't have any problems with flairing CDNA blinds 'Uncverified', but I'd say let's wait til the new voting system is in place and let the community decide.

Until then, let CDNA blind(s) stay is and don't flair.

@ben_matlock @kevdude Honeybee_

Vindicator

That would be my preference for now as well, since everyone knows they're unverified. I hate being a ball-breaker or overly paternalistic which is very easy to do when we've got all these rules. It doesn't create a welcoming environment.

think-

I hate being a ball-breaker or overly paternalistic which is very easy to do when we've got all these rules. It doesn't create a welcoming environment.

Agree.

ben_matlock

i saw this post as i was falling asleep last night and had similar concerns as @septimasexta regarding CDAN.

personally i love visiting CDAN daily. all sorts of helpful, juicy nuggets can be found in those blinds. but...blinds by definition are unverified (unless, of course, they've been revealed ), which, by their nature, puts them in conflict with the Rules.

that being said, i certainly don't want to be a ball-breaker either. i am all for having some kind of referendum to let the community come to a consensus on which types of sources are 'trusted' enough to allow them to be posted here. when could we implement such a voting system?
@vindicator @kevdude

think-

The voting system will be put in force at the end of this month, as far as I recall.

I hear you, Ben, although I agree to disagree with you. I know that the community is divided when it comes to the CDAN blinds, so let's wait two weeks and discuss this with the others. At present, I have no idea what the majority thinks about it.

@Vindicator @kevdude @Honeybee_

Vindicator

Just to add another thought to this train of thought @ben_matlock @think- the same Rule 2 problem arises with personal experience survivor stories or professional testimony from folks in healthcare and law enforcement.

I think we do want to welcome that, because it can help with the investigation. In the past, I have advised people to include a relevant link to similar or related material, such as published reports about the emotional damage victims contend with, statistics about victims, training publications for law enforcement etc. etc. so that Rule 2 is "technically" satisfied.

Adding an "Unverified" flair to all such posts, would also be appropriate.

Don't forget, one of the most powerful, compelling things this board uncovered was the alleged rape of a 16-year-old Comet Ping Pong employee by Alefantis, who tried to post here and was deleted due to lack of evidence. Our moderator abortionburger got ahold of him through Facebook, interviewd him, made a Steemit thread about it and posted that here. Next thing you know, Alefantis is hunting down @IsThisGameofThrones making death threats , and abortionburger gets doxxed, receives death threats and has to leave Voat.

Rule 2 is vital, but IMHO we need to find ways to help users satisfy it.

@kevdude

IsThisGameOfThrones

I don’t understand the reference to me

Vindicator

Hey there! Sorry...was recounting some of our most dramatic investigative moments for our new mods. We are discussing how to handle personal testimony when we have a rule requiring links to supporting evidence. Lots has been happening around here lately Ryan. Check out the stickies.

think-

I think this is an excellent idea! This way nobody can accuse of us publishing 'unverified' stuff. When we flair it, everybody can see that it needs verification.

Shizy

Then don't read it

Oh_Well_ian

lol sorry, I had to laugh when you said 'police report'

septimasexta

Why is that? "He called police.." If there is no police report, that means the police did not consider the evidence worthy of an investigation OR they are corrupt and didn't report it in order to cover up the evidence. Is everyone in Hollywood AFRAID?

Oh_Well_ian

it's the 'OR'

septimasexta

Yes, sadly that is the likely story.

migratorypatterns

Oh, dear Lord! I don't even know if I want to read this.

I will, though ... and thanks for the post.

exposethecriminals

That's horrible.

Speaking of rental properties potentially being used for "elite" child trafficking and murder, a close friend of HRC and WJC, David McDermott, owns an Airbnb cleaning service called Guest Prep:

GuestPrep

Airbnb Cleaning Service: now operating in NYC, Washington DC, Austin & Denver.

A Tailored Cleaning & Laundry Service for Airbnb & Short-Term Rental Hosts

https://web.archive.org/web/20170815001906/http://guestprep.com:80/

Articles:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180220072927/https://www.yourwelcome.com/the-art-of-hospitality-cleaning/

http://archive.is/94SaQ

If anyone has time to dig into it, I posted more including about McDermott's husband, Chair of the UN Refugee Agency Charles de Santis, in a comment last night:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2405821/11971229

carmencita

Everyone says R Kelly. There is a comment about Southeast Asia being pedophile ground zero. This gives me hope. I have seen other comments about pedos. People are catching on. Everyone things he is Scum. And that they heard he has escaped to Southeast Asia.......this makes me think Something Big might have been coming down the road. Possible accusations? Maybe DG has had it with him. Maybe Kelly is just not discreet enough for David.

Sackajahweeda

It is now his new "yoga retreat" home...what in the ever loving fuck?!

carmencita

That should definitely send up Fire Flares! We can only wonder what that means. Will this be a place they will send pedos for rest and rehabilitation? As if that were even possible, or a place for them to hide? OR a place to have their "fun". The possibilities are endless with these Perverted Scumbags.

carmencita

Btw, this morning I saw that R Kelly was evicted. Owes $31K in rent. DG Where are you?

ESOTERICshade

Need to swab that place for DNA pronto.