EvaEverywhere

There is no reason to uproot a mango tree in the Carribean to save it. Mango trees grow wild very fast and people harvest from them along the roads. So the tidbit from the message sounds completely useless... or incredibly disconnected. Like people going to a grossly underserved area and saying: "These people obviously all need fitbits, let's fundraise to get these people fitbits."

Are_we__sure

Hi, what are doing is called anomaly hunting. You don't have full information about this operation, and based on the limited information you have, you're looking for things that "don't add up." This not really a valid way to find things out. Basically, you're starting off with position that something is wrong, and then you use the anamolies to justify the conclusion that you started out with.

At first glance, it seems they are growing trees at Caracol Park.

This is a great example. Why would you think they are growing mangos at Caracol? You have some text from a from an email that refers back to previous conversations we weren't part of.

Caracol Park was never about growing mangoes.

it is a fact that BlackIvy has pushed for 23 cent per hour wages in Ghana and this amounts to slave labor.

This is not a fact. This exists. It existed before BlackIvy existed.

It's not slave wages. It's the minimum wage in Ghana. It's half of the average wages in the country.

If you really want to find the out the facts, read The Truck That Went By. It's by AP's long time Haiti Reporter. You can also read the GAO reports

thewebofslime

Why would you think they are growing mangos at Caracol?

They specifically say they are moving two mango trees from Caracol Park to Caracol housing. What are you even talking about? The context is in the email.

Only two mango trees had to be uprooted at the Caracol Park. Trees under threat are now being transplanted to the Caracol Ekam housing.

This is not a fact. This exists. It existed before BlackIvy existed.

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/hillary-clinton-longtime-aide-promotes-slave-wages-in-ghana

https://howafrica.com/revealed-hillary-clintons-longtime-aide-promotes-23-cent-wage-in-ghana/

REVEALED: Hillary Clinton’s Longtime Aide Promotes 23-Cent Wage In Ghana

Frankly, you have no idea what you are talkinga bout and I am curious why you would put those thoughts into words and post them when you are so clearly wrong.

Are_we__sure

REVEALED: ......

You completely miss my point. There's a minimum wage in Ghana. It's set by the government. It has nothing to do with Cheryl Mills. It exists.

And the two website you linked are based in New York and the UK. Might be why they are surprised by what Ghana's minimum wage is. Even the Kenya journalist doesn't seem to know that Ghana's minimum wage is not from off Kenya's minimum wage.

If you would have no development in countries because wages are poor, ten of millions in China and India would not never have gotten out of poverty.

One of the controversies at Caracol Park before Caracol Park was built was they they were taking fertile land away from farmers.

On the first anniversary of the Jan. 12, 2010, earthquake, in a sleepy corner of northeast Haiti far from the disaster zone, the Haitian government began the process of evicting 366 farmers from a large, fertile tract of land to clear the way for a new industrial park. The farmers did not understand why the authorities wanted to replace productive agricultural land with factories in a rural country that had trouble feeding itself. But, promised compensation, they did not protest a strange twist of fate that left them displaced by an earthquake that had not affected them. ... Residents reclaimed the land from the sisal and sugar cane plantations in 1986, after the dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier fell from power. They divided it into hundreds of small farms, many paying yearly rent to the government and some others squatting. ... But it was the Haitian government that had selected the site, the development bank said, after an American consulting firm, scouting northern locations, included it among the top three options. The government-owned Caracol site was considered to have the best soil and water resources, which was also why it made good farmland ... The Haitian government paid the farmers for the harvest they lost and promised them alternative land elsewhere. All the farmers interviewed said they were frustrated being idle and had already burned through the cash.

This is the backdrop for the Mills email, they only had to move two mango trees, i.e. there was less disruption than I thought. You seem to think there is supposed to be a mango plantation at Caracol. You might be the only one who thinks that.

thewebofslime

You might be in the wrong subverse, if you aren't able to at least imagine why a State Department tied company, who works with South Korea (whose president is a known cult member) might be able to use inductrial parks next to ports for nefarious purposes. Especially... since the thread was deleted mere minutes after it was created. But I'll bite, since you still seem to be missing some information.

BlackIvy produced a Power Point presentation to present to potential investors. This is the document where they were focused on the low minimum wage to help Sae A in the textile industry. They've been muscling into port towns and cutting red tape with governments and do you imagine that they aren't going to use their State Department influence to keep Ghana "competitive"? So, yes, "pushing" for a competitive minimum wage in this context is unethical, at the very least.

http://westparkghana.com/developer/

WestPark is being developed by BlackIvy LLC. Anchored in Ghana and Tanzania, BlackIvy is a values-driven American company that builds and grows commercial enterprises in Sub-Saharan Africa that deliver risk-adjusted returns and unlock new sources of growth. We develop logistics and infrastructure solutions for emerging economies and businesses that serve the needs of the growing consumer population.

WestPark is another cookie cutter version of Caracol.

You seem to think there is supposed to be a mango plantation at Caracol.

At this point you're just twisting words. I specifically am stating THAT I DO NOT THINK THERE ARE ANY MANGO TREES and thus the code.

they didn't care about the trees per se, they cared about public relations/public perception regarding the project.

So, do you have a source for this, or are you just making this up?

You are suggesting the earthquake? or a storm? caused damage to mango trees and they were "threatened", so they moved them from the industrial park, which was cleared and then built upon, to the housing they built, which I still don't see on the map.

I think these emails are old enough that if you could point me to the housing complex, then I could just look for myself on any number of satellite images and find the trees.

Which is, basically, what I was asking for, in the first place.

This is really, really simple.

Show me the mango trees.

Are_we__sure

You might be in the wrong subverse, if you aren't able to at least imagine

Imagination is not evidence. It's also prone to reflect biases and premade conclusions

BlackIvy produced a Power Point presentation to present to potential investors. This is the document where they were focused on the low minimum wage to help Sae A in the textile industry.

I'm aware of this presentation. She promoting development/foreign investment in Ghana and low wages would be a reason to invest there. This is far, far, far from being a slaver. Unless you believe Many working Ghanians are currently enslaved and many working Kenyans, etc.

This PowerPoint was not intended to help SAE A because they have no plans to operate in Ghana. This is a conflation on your part.

State Department influence to keep Ghana "competitive"? So, yes, "pushing" for a competitive minimum wage in this context is unethical, at the very least

This is imagination. Why would Rex Tillerson take Cheryl Mills Call? How does the State Department make entire countries competitive? You imagine way to much influence for the state department and waaaay to much influence for ex employees over it.

So, yes, "pushing" for a competitive minimum wage ......

Here's a fundamental disagreement we have. Mills pushed for nothing. She is not talking about lowering wages. She has zero effect on what the minimum wage in Ghana is. At the time of her presentation it was 7 Ghanaian cedis a day. It's now 8. She had influence on it being 7 and no influence on it being 8.

If you don't believe that very poor countries can improve over the long term in part through foreign investment, you ignore the example of China, India, South Korea, etc.

So, do you have a source for this, or are you just making this up? The source for the concern about displacing farmers is the NY Times. The source for what Mills is concerned with is the same email you were citing. If understand the back story and context, it's quite clear they are speaking literally and not in code.

There's tons of trees near Caracol. I'm not claiming it's a rainforest, but there are obviously trees about http://servicesaws.iadb.org/wmsfiles/images/0x0/-37935.jpg

think-

Hi @thewebofslime , very interesting post, thank you! You might indeed be up to something!

May I, however ask you to self-delete and repost, please?

Unfortunately, headlines can't be edited on Voat, and the headline is a bit unclear when it comes to point out

1) Why you decided to revisit 'mango trees' (I know why, but other users, especially newbies, may not) 2) What the relation to pizzagate is

(Please see our rules in sidebar, rule 3, when on mobile, please switch to desktop view.)

And, while you're at it, could you please add two or three sentences what exactly the 'mango code' is (or might be), and how the Clintons might be implied, so that the relevance for pizzagate is shown? Thank you! (Please see rule 1 in sidebar.)

You can save the source of your post by clicking 'edit', then just copypaste it to a new submission sheet. I'll leave the post up for twenty minutes, so that you can save your source. (It's 6:20 East Coast Time now.)

After that, I will unfortunately have to delete it, and ask you to edit and repost.

Again, excellent post, please repost with new title and some intro!

Thank you!

Vindicator

think-, let's give him 24 hours to copy his source markdown and repost. He may or may not see it in the next 20 minutes. :-)

@thewebofslime : Please repost with a more clear headline and then self-remove as soon as you can, so that comments don't accumulate with good material.

think-

Ok!

derram

https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/comments/80gtl4/the_black_ivy_group_another_cia_proprietary_run/ :

The Black Ivy Group: Another CIA "proprietary", run by Cheryl Mills, as a compartmentalized intelligence asset of the Clinton Foundation. : conspiracy


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