Cc1914

😲 good find ..

SterlingJB

Must be important if Mr 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon Nuffin Wrong Happened in Haiti showed up.

carmencita

Thank you. FUJP What a great find. UPVoat!

carmencita

Pictured on the Cover President Reagan and Chancellor Kohl May 5, 1985. The shame of it all. The Hanging.

Vindicator

EffYou, can you please elaborate on how this is relevant to sexual abuse of kids by the global elite? "Obvious reasons" and the fact you don't actually describe the PDF you are asking people to download from the CIA are not sufficient to meet our submission requirements. I'm giving this the 24 Hour Reprieve flair so you can edit it to satisfy Rules 1 and 3. Please reply to this comment when you've done so so that we don't have to remove. Thanks

EffYouJohnPodesta

I edited, but I am not sure if you will accept my description and explanation, so please let me know if that's ok

Vindicator

Thanks for the edit. It's still a bit problematic. I think you need to state that the document was written by a double agent who gave the US intelligence agencies the finger and went over to first the Russians and then the Cubans when the Russians didn't believe him. You need to make clear that this is not a "CIA document" in the sense that it was officially created by the CIA, but one they had in their possession written by one of their enemies. Because the document is suspect, it can't "prove" the Nazi's were brought here to experiment on the public, or anything else it claims. This may all be fake, to feed conspiracy narratives. It may be a distraction to keep us off the trail of the Clinton Foundation. We just don't know.

I would say it's relevant to elite child trafficking investigators because it may shed light on the roots of the MK Ultra program, but it definitely could be disinfo.

EffYouJohnPodesta

ok I will edit again.

Vindicator

You rock. :-)

EffYouJohnPodesta

Thanks Vindicator lol you rock also?

think-

I will remove the flair now.

Are_we__sure

It's declassified, but it's not from the CIA itself. This was a publication of Phillip Agee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Agee

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/obituaries/10agee.html

Agee quit the CIA and basically worked against it. He left the US and exposed a list of CIA names. He eventually wound up in Havana and was believed to work for the Cuban intelligence agency.

Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, said Mr. Agee approached Soviet intelligence in Mexico in the early 1970s but was rejected by an officer who thought he was a plant. He then approached Cuban intelligence, supplying details of C.I.A. operations in Latin America that were passed on to the K.G.B.

β€œHe was a valuable source,” Mr. Kalugin said.

kestrel9

β€œHe was a valuable source,” Mr. Kalugin said.

So that the makes the publication ('inspired by Agee') true (mostly)? Or it's not true and he was not a valuable source.

Are_we_sure

If he was working for Kalugin and his folks, that means he would have been a traitor. So publishing disninformation about the CIA would make Soviet and Cuban intelligence happy. Some people say he may have just been ideologically aligned with Cubans and Soviets and not actually employed by them.

His Wikipedia entry includes this

The January 1979 issue of Agee's Bulletin published the infamous FM 30-31B, which was in fact a hoax produced by the Soviet intelligence services

so he very well may have been publishing disinformation, knowingly or unknowingly.

kestrel9

This has interesting discussion regarding FM 30-31B and Operation Northwoods https://cryptome.org/cia-FM30-31B.htm

The hearing record also includes a copy of the Covert Action Information Bulletin (below) which published FM 30-31B in 1979 along with an assessment of its authenticity: "Regardless of the dispute, we believe, as do publishers in several other countries already, that the document is real, and that in any event our readers should see it and decide for themselves." CIA testimony provided a single claim for calling the document a forgery: that it was marked "Top Secret" and that field manuals are never so highly classified. There may have been other claims which were deleted from the public record of the hearing to protect classified means and methods for detecting forgeries, but if so they do not appear to have been made public. Without such other information, the single CIA forgery claim appears weak:

  1. Neither the US military nor intelligence agencies fully share their most secret documents with other government agencies, much less with the US Congress. That was the case in 1980 as it is now when the Department of Defense is in a tussle with the CIA over intelligence gathering and covert activities. See James Bamford's revelation of the 1960s Operation Northwoods, a top secret plan for the US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff which proposes exactly the kind of covert action, including against the United States itself described in FM 30-31B (thanks to D. for the comparison):

http://cryptome.org/northwoods.htm [Excerpt]

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge. According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anti-communism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Code-named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

  1. The CIA's testimony appears to closely follow the CovertAction analysis to offer counters to it, point by point, but does not offer evidence, at least not in the published versions, to support the claim of forgery, only unsupported assertions.

  2. The CIA is reported to engage in the same covert actions, including forgeries, of which it accuses the Soviets, and it never publicly admits to them.

  3. It is a common ploy for intelligence agencies to accuse their competitors of what they do themselves when publicly exposed, to offer piecemeal explanations, pause to see if they calm a storm, then issue more as required, each time gauging effectiveness. The hearing could be seen as part of such a counterintelligence operation.

On February 20, 2005, Cryptome made an FOIA request to the Central Intelligence Agency for information on the authenticity or falsity of FM 30-31B.

CrustyBeaver52

Even the CIA does not know that.

JesusRules

Whoa good find, Operation Paperclip is the Nazi's shipped to the US to be CIA agents