The community discussed this change several times over the past six months; now we are finally implementing it.
In the 10 days that the
Ban Links proposition
was stickied, it gathered 57 comments with 81% upvotes on 441 views. There wasn't a single comment against the proposal, just one person saying he won't post as much because he posts from his phone and it's too complicated. I would say we have overwhelming support. Effective immediately, you will now find a new rule in the sidebar:
Rule 6: No Link Posts
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Only
editable submissions made with the "Discuss" button are allowed. "Link" submissions have been banned by the community for the reasons described
here
. Link posts will be immediately removed.
We are a research subverse, seeking rigorous, well-thought out, sourced submissions that advance the pizzagate investigation. While they are handy for sharing news, most Link post titles don't meet our submission requirements. The vast majority of posts we have to remove are Links.
Six Reasons "Link" submissions suck for
v/Pizzagate
research
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They can't be edited to meet our submission rules, and
frequently have to be removed
because of this
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They can be used by trolls to direct-link to dangerous sites (examples in Removed Submissions)
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They make it easy for trolls to spam "PGisStupid" style memes and shitty YouTube videos
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They make it impossible for authors to edit posts to incorporate the often stellar crowdsourced research contributed by other users in the Comments.
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When shared off-platform such as by retweet, especially by phone where only headlines show depending on screen settings, they inadvertantly bury the crowdsourced analysis and discoveries that shed light on events mentioned in MSM articles, destroying the redpill value. Non-Voat users clicking a Voat submission shared in a tweet, will probably click the headline, taking them directly to the MSM article (
for example
) and never see the crowdsourced analysis in the Comments.
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It seems unfair and inconsistent to require Discuss posts to provide short descriptions of all linked content and their relevance under Rule 3, but allow Link posts that only have a headline from which such matters must often be inferred.
Hopefully, our developer
@Heygeorge
will also soon be able to tweak our CSS to remove the Link button. Until then, please resist the temptation to submit with it.
Soon, PuttItOut is supposed to institute a referendum system that will allow us to easily revisit the ruleset, so we can consider this an experiment we can change later, if the consensus after trying it is negative.
You are still welcome to share Links in
v/pizzagatewhatever
,
v/pizzagatememes
,
v/news
, and
v/whatever
.
Looking forward to many excellent Discuss posts!
▼ flyingcuttlefish
OK.
Good reasons listed. When I see a link to post related to the issue I use \v\pizzagateuncensored so as to not break the rules.
International pedo items I put (links) over at \v\pedogate
▼ think-
You can still post link posts to v/pizzagatewhatever , @flyingcuttlefish .
▼ flyingcuttlefish
thanks.... I use pedogate and pizzagateuncensored for links..... So much happening so fast it's hard to keep up with it all.
Luckily, voat allows everyone to keep up with whatever portion you can manage to pay attetion to.
▼ millennial_vulcan
Copy that!
x
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
Good ole "kevdude" the same guy that defends vindicator and says it doesn't say things it says.
▼ suburbanmonk
Control freaks are blind to see their own arrogance, in the name of political correctness. Seems like its time to create a NEW Board, where?
▼ REB_Militia
Agreed. Deepweb perhaps, where these people can't find us.
▼ Flops420
Then why did u tell me my post was going to be removed unless I could provide a link? The one about besta pizza on Google earth...that wasn't intended to come off sarcastic btw I'm just a bit confused
▼ Flops420
After thoroughly reading through...i understand you mean no more submissions through the link tab. My apologies. I still can't upload the link either. It says banned domain.
▼ Vindicator
Did you add some spaces in the middle?
▼ Flops420
No I don't think so ill try again
▼ AgainstPedos
I have 2 new threads for this forum. The posting rules are way, way too confusing to me re my lack of tech ability. Is there a Mod I can send the info directly? Otherwise I'll have to pass as it's just too stressful given my current physical health condition. Know you would like to know the new info but it is what it is, so sorry.
▼ Vindicator
Sure AP. I would be happy to help you post within the ruleset. Send 'em on over.
▼ tyfdt
Huh?
▼ Vindicator
Can't use the "Share A Link" button anymore to submit. Have to use "Discuss" so you can fulfill the submission requirements and get help from the community to edit if you don't quite do so.
▼ Digital-Patriot
Rule 7: Ban @ESOTERICshade
▼ ESOTERICshade
Stop pinging me sperg. I stopped posting here because you Trump Tarded people.
▼ Digital-Patriot
Doesn't look like you've stopped.
▼ user33567864
Okay
▼ NoBS
More rules regulations and red tape.
It's like we have big government want-a-be's using left-wing tactics to disenfranchise citizen reporters.
So can we call the moderators Information Ministers now? Or is it too soon?
▼ REB_Militia
You may.
▼ 970mississippi
well that sucks. i rarely even comment,and did leave a Chemtrail link the other day as someone had a question about them which was the topic. what a stupid rule. I have never even seen many links when i am reading comments.
▼ Vindicator
I think you are misunderstanding. Please include links in posts! That's what we're all about. This rule just means you can't use the "Share a Link" submission button that only presents a url and a headline. You need to use the Discuss button, which has a headline field and a discussion field allowing 10,000 words -- plenty of room to share as many links as you want and explain why they're important to Pizzagate. :-)
▼ Altmight
This place became a ghost town because of moderator faggotry, now it will be a haunted house with a few kike mods jerking eachother off wondering where all the visitors went. Perhaps thats the plan anyway. As if we cant decide for ourselves what is strong or weak eveidence. Relevant or irrelevant. We need a fucking babysitter to tell us whats valid information? We cant figure it out ourselves. We need mods to frame it. We'll see how this experiment goes. Kiked. Soon there will be nothing to moderate. Hot New and Top, will all have the same 3 posts! Lol I had fun sifting through all the weird and random shit that used to pop up. It was half the reason I came back. "Sorry, Deleted submission, Jewish rabbis sucking baby dicks is irrelevant to pizzagate" or "Talmud says its ok to fuck 3yr old babies as long as they are not jewish is also irrelevant, Deleted" Bull. Fucking, Shit. It is.
▼ pete2016
well said. I was on this forum from the start, the info being shared back then was free and leading to important discoveries. Now its not given a chance by oppressive rules that limits potential leads. Who are these people that moderate?
▼ think-
The new rule was not made by the mods, @pete2016 , we had a sticky for a week on the front page, and the overwhelming majority of the users decided to abolish link posts.
▼ REB_Militia
You mean the overwhelming majority of the shills?
▼ think-
No, I mean legit longtime users who have contributed to the pizzagate research. You can find their names in the sticky.
▼ REB_Militia
Yeah, but you know what's funny? Altmight seems to have been right.
Over 2 months later, Hot New and top all have the same posts.
▼ Altmight
Who made the sticky?
▼ SweetChicken
Big deal if they can’t edit the original post. People read the comments. Your excuse is nothing more than that. You may present a valid reason why one is better but absolutely fail in your attempt to prove this somehow INCREASES the share of information.
▼ SweetChicken
By ignoring the actual claim.
▼ SweetChicken
Stop being a faggot. The claim made by vindicator was that this rule change actually increases information flow. Nice try at deflecting.
▼ JTMTL
What's interesting, the New Yorker had an article on REDDIT in the March 19th, 2018 edition. It spoke of the pizzagate sub being shut down. They said it was because people were listing people's names and contact information. This was a big fat lie. If people break the rules, they are banned. If they try and get in with another name using the same IP address, they are banned from REDDIT. That is how they operate. To remove a popular sub for any other reason, is subterfuge.
▼ Kekalicious
Well there was a hell of a list of people's names, address and phone# during the Hamstead Kids thing. I don't recall what sites they were posted on. I am presuming the huge DOX was one reason the brits took the free net away.
▼ Plan1988
Q said it was taken down because voat ers were"over the target." esp. pizzagate. Am rarely on voat. But just saw this thread.
▼ Mammy
Well, now I am thiroughly confused. What else is new?
▼ think-
Nothing else, @Mammy .
▼ Luxxy
Everyone who's against this censorship, just take a look at the right hand bottom of your screen here on voat. Look at those ad's - need I say anymore? You know what I'm talking about.
▼ argosciv
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
▼ think-
Yay!!!! :-)
▼ SweetChicken
Whatever makes it more difficult to share information am I right?!
▼ Vindicator
Actually, this makes it so that MORE info is shared.
▼ SweetChicken
Really? Limiting the ways information can be spread and disseminated while giving the mods more selective power over what meets the standards will result in more information being spread?! Interesting. I’d love to hear how
▼ Vindicator
How does this limit the way information can be spread any more than the focused nature of this subverse always has? It doesn't. Submitting Discuss posts that can be edited to meet submission rules if they have problems means fewer removals, not more.
How does it give mods any more "selective power"? The content-related rules have not changed in the slightest.
▼ SweetChicken
How does the change increase the information flow as you claim? Any censorship is bad. If something is shit it will be proven as such.
▼ GreenDell144
Bravo. Good idea.
▼ MolochHunter
nice 1 fellaz, good call
▼ stillinit
Feel free to post your link posts, and any other these reddit-tier mods censor.
http://forum.voatisdown.com/viewforum.php?f=6
▼ Tazzermalt
first Protectvoat, spammer, SBBH cancer and now this... https://www.voat.co/v/BannedByVoat/2514228 Voat's Pizzagate sub is now BANNING ALL LINKS
▼ ben_matlock
Huh? No it's not. Quite the opposite, every 'discuss' post must have a link
▼ lovely1
Ty
▼ Digital-Patriot
/v/pizzagatefree
▼ Blacksmith21
It's about damn time. Glad I suggested it.
▼ Vindicator
Sorry it took so long to implement...it's been crazy up in here!
▼ Sonic_fan1
I, for one, actually approve of this change. It's not so much lazy research, but poor sportsmanship sorta (can't think of the proper term right now) to just throw a link up without any details, and then someone clicks the post link from the Hot/New or whatever to get to the post and the comments as a page so they can read the article and the comments inline, and end up on some hack news posting place that just chops up and reposts other sites' articles to make something sound so much worse than it is or make someone much more of a criminal than they really are.
Even if you have to spend a whopping half-hour typing up a post, and paste the link at some point in the post, that's not a bad thing, people. You can expound your personal views on the content of the link, bad mouth people left and right, get into a week-long debate in the article, say that everyone is a Satanic child-molesting Jew who's sacrificing kids to feed Hillary, just put in some effort into the blasted post! People can spend days back-and-forthing over one little nitpicky point, but can't spend ten minutes to make a half-assed post? (raised eyebrow) Really? (/end raised eyebrow) (it's been too long since I tried to make comedy HTML tags)
(And, yes... my average post takes over an hour to type up... it's called Notepad... sometimes, MS Word is used to make sure the grammar makes sense if alcohol has been involved)
▼ HarveyKlinger
I remember having a post deleted because I didn't provide a link as verification.
Ahhhh... the good ol' days of Pizzagate on VOAT.
▼ Vindicator
You still have to provide links HK.
▼ HarveyKlinger
Ahhhh... I get the difference. I also agree with this decision. I'll delete my post.
▼ Tazzermalt
this sub has been going to shit for some time, are we trying to be a reddit clone? not to mention the deletions on US abuse, the censorship and bannings of posters who linked news on global international abuse, the Vegas fiasco and that whole MeleniumFalcon mod bullshit
▼ PedoHunter12
It's been taken over by the shills. May have been a project of theirs the entire time. Now they're just peddling "Q", the storm, and cheerleading for Trump. Total psyop.
▼ VoatisCIA
Did the other Mods ever apologize for 'Milled Anal Falcon '? They never did huh... Just sweept under the rug so nubbies never catch on!!!!!!!!
▼ Blacksmith21
No, we are trying to be a legitimate research subverse which adheres to a modicum of taxonomical and content structure guidelines.
▼ HarveyKlinger
I was always one of the sticklers for true pizzagate posts, not general abuse by non-political elites. Pizzagate whatever is for that stuff.
▼ Enigmatic_Continuum
What you're calling for is compartmentalization, which is how the elite work. The tentacles are deep and widespread, so if we kept it to just politicians, we wouldn't be able to talk about Hellywood. How many times did Obama have closed door meetings with Hollywood elite?
I don't feel the need to expand further. If you don't understand why or how Pizzagate is beyond DC politics, I can't help you.
▼ NoBS
More rules to justify censorship to control the narrative.
Yet control freaks are blind to the dangers because Fascist ideology is addictive for the weak.
▼ Vindicator
How is it censorship to make sure people say more?
▼ FuckUredditFuckuSpez
It's Not... If people are complaining about this, Ignore them. Rational People won't judge... Regarding this decision at least.
▼ NoBS
Controlling the narrative to clutter up a post to "your" standards will never be understood if one dictates the content. If he was a bot, I can see why deleting it must happen, yet this site archives posts so comment can't be added. That is censorship at a base level. Then you make the same red tape that the Pedo protectors use to shut down comments and you think this is good?
Any form of censorship is evil. This site is now helping pedos with rules, regs and Bloated pervert protectors.
▼ SweetChicken
You have to explain it to the mods like they are 5. You know, the same age as the kiddies they like to fuck
▼ Vindicator
You shouldn't drink before you post. What you're saying makes no sense. This is not v/news . This is a sub for research. Share-a-Link posts in which the OP provides zero content and merely links to something somewhere else are not research. The submitter is not exercising his right to free speech because he is not saying anything, so how in hell can it be considered censorship?
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
Bullshit, you left up Weistein threads and commented on them, they had nothing to do wityh PG. You deleted my threads on the Catholic church and their mass murder of canadian aboriginal children. That has everything to do with PG. As always you are working against us.
▼ stillinit
More content to nitpick at. Most people are aware these rules come in increments. It wouldn't surprise me in 2-3 years from now the subject of pedophilia is completely banned from this sub, elite or not. Especially elite.
▼ Tazzermalt
you banned people and deleted links to 4ch 8chan
▼ Vindicator
We only remove posts in which the submitter does not explain how it's directly related to the sexual abuse of kids by the elite, with links to support for all major claims, and an accurate title, and that is after giving folks 24 Hours to edit. We only ban users who show a pattern of disrespecting these requirements.
▼ Orangutan
That's putting a lot of trust in the moderation team and not a lot of trust in the users who upvote and downvote what they think is important and relevant to the topic at hand. More control rather than less control is gaining popularity all over the web lately.
▼ Vindicator
Well, it's what the sub voted to do after we had CP linked. Also, the submitter has total control over whether his submission is exposed to votes.