Dutch Jehova's witness pedo scandal, 300 victims ( pizzagate )

submitted by MolochHunter

https://nltimes.nl/2018/05/02/nearly-300-reports-sexual-abuse-among-dutch-jehovahs-witnesses

"The number of reports of sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses now stands at 267, Reclaimed Voices, a foundation that manages the hotline for this type of abuse, said to newspaper Trouw.

Reclaimed Voices was established last year after Trouw published the stories of a number of Jehovah's Witnesses who were abused during their youth. One victim called the religious group a "paradise for pedophiles", because the Jehovah's Witnesses elders tend to keep sexual abuse quiet. In the first week of its existence, the hotline received nearly 50 sexual abuse reports.

According to the newspaper, the victims of sexual abuse asked the Jehovah's Witnesses elders for a meeting to discuss this abuse six months ago, but still haven't heard anything. This has a big affect on the victims, Frank Huiting of Reclaimed Voices said to Trouw. "They are angry, they haven't known where they stand for some time and feel disappointed about the entire process. They still aren't being heard, is what it comes down to."

Minister Sander Dekker for Legal Protection also instructed the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses to start a conversation with the victims. "

I think they should rename their cult to Jehova's Defendants

Gilderoy

Don't forget that the Jehovah's Witnesses property was closed a few years ago and the building bought by the Kushner Company.

https://ny.curbed.com/2016/8/4/12375806/brooklyn-heights-jehovahs-witness-watchtower-sale

There were intriguing reports of tunnels being closed and sealed after the property was sold:

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/4/24/jehovahs-witnesses-start-closing-their-brooklyn-heights-tunnels

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/watchtower-tunnels-mysterious-lingering-remnants-ministerial-heights-presence-2013-10-16

The Watchtower tunnels are in close proximity to these places of interest:

European Adoption Consultants 186 JORALEMON STREET 11201 Brooklyn, NY Planned Parenthood 44 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11201 (on the corner of Court St. and Joralemon) Catholic Charities 191 Joralemon Street, 1st Floor, Brooklyn, NY 11201 Hillary for America Campaign Headquarters One Pierrepont Plaza, Brooklyn, NY Atlantic Avenue Tunnel aka Cobble Hill Tunnel More on the Atlantic Avenue Tunnel here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobble_Hill_Tunnel

More on the mysterious Joralemon Street Tunnel and ventilation "house": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joralemon_Street_Tunnel

GreenDell144

Heavy.

The article posted more or less repeats these from a year ago: https://nltimes.nl/2017/11/28/dutch-foundation-gets-dozens-sexual-abuse-reports-jehovahs-witnesses

https://nltimes.nl/2017/07/21/jehovahs-witnesses-paradise-pedophiles-

It is helpful for us to know the ways various organizations direct their policies in regards to reporting this crime. Most organizations (religious, or otherwise) had fairly draconian policies for years. Since the 90s tho, many more popular organizations have adjusted their policies for zero-tolerance and transparency. JW’s did this in the 90’s too. I found the JW policy repeated in their magazines and on their website:

(For sexual abuse) What can you do? .....call the police

and it’s been that way since the 90s.

There is some contention about the “two witnesses to an accusation” rule, for confronting a believer that is doing bad. They also apply that when there are disputes between each other, to avoid taking sides when situations are unclear. It seems the rule is being misapplied in some congregations to shield offenders from victim’s accusations. Bad.

The second article states that the elders in the Netherlands don’t want to embarrass themselves with these crime reports... to keep things quiet, totally against what their HQ says. The organization makes it clear that they scripturally follow the law and respect authorities. It seems the Netherlands congregations and perhaps some local groups don’t agree with this. There should be consequences, IMO.

MolochHunter

Something going on in the Netherlands - they also have a similar issue to the UK with Islamic Grooming Gangs going unharried by police because of 'fears of appearing racist'

GreenDell144

Google Joris Demmink. The rumor is that he is a monster pedo sadist... top level Dutch politician.

Here is the Facebook page for citizens that want him brought to justice.

https://www.facebook.com/Arrest-Demmink-321249254631707/

tholinz

JW theology specifically requires that problems be handled within the group. In their worldview, national governments are the province of Satan. Like, Satan runs the government. This is also why they discourage members from joining the military. I would be very skeptical of any outward public statement that encourages members to call the police; the police are an extension of the state, and therefore, under the influence of Satan. Sometimes with these high control groups what is said in public is meant to distract from the truths said in private.

Considering that there is variation in any group, there are probably JWs who would call the cops, and those who wouldn’t under any circumstances. One would hope that most people would call the cops.

The issue specific to JWs is that their theology blatantly and clearly discourages this sort of behavior. Most mainstream Christian denominations do not have explicit religious guidance like this. Cover-ups have happened elsewhere (such as in the Catholic Church), but that was not a result of doctrine being applied “correctly”.

I agree that in most cases, it is not the fault of the entire organization, or at the worst, there is something in the organization that can be exploited by abusers. Honestly, I think the only real exception (outside Islam) would be Scientology. Their rules have codified abusive behavior and require victims to never report crimes to the authorities.

GreenDell144

I have talked with quite a few JWs. They all said the same about any crime: call police... excepting one, an ex-JW that stated that her congregation had a couple of pedo elders and that instructed that particular local group wouldn’t call.

As to military services, you have a small part of the equation. The missing parts are based on having “love for one another” and on the principle of “live by the sword, die by the sword”. The international conventions are pretty impressive, to see black, Asian, Russian, Palestinian and Israeli JWs all hugging and happy together. It’s clear that they would never want to go to war against each other. I have never seen anything like that, not even among sports fans.

Cc1914

We can't lump all JW together just like we can't lump all the mainstream christians , Catholics etc together . There are bad seeds in every bunch and the truth is being revealed rapidly without bias. No religion will be able to hide what God already knows . Thanks for explaining the 2 person rule . It makes so much sense to me in order to be fair and not take sides verses going to a priest and confessing sins that for sure get hidden , because you basically pay the priest off to keep quiet . Think about it .. some charge you for prayers , healing etc and the sinner feels better because he feels forgiven.. then keeps doing the same sins over and over because he can pay for Gods forgiveness. This is how it seems to me anyways . This has been my experience.

Vindicator

You basically pay the priest off to keep quiet . Think about it .. some charge you for prayers , healing etc and the sinner feels better because he feels forgiven.. then keeps doing the same sins over and over because he can pay for Gods forgiveness.

Totally wrong. Simony is a grave sin that will get a Catholic priest excommunicated.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P54.HTM

Cc1914

Yea it is totally wrong but they do it .. I've known people to pay for prayers and confession. Are you saying they don't do it because it's a grave sin ?

Vindicator

Yes. If caught, they will be booted from their position. Besides that, the Church teaches that simony invalidates the Sacrament...i.e. it is spiritually useless so there is no point in doing it anyway.

Cc1914

Wow so they obviously needed this specific law because of the ones that abuse it . Seriously though, this stuff goes on along with other crimes against humanity, all in the name of someone's religion . It's a fact . I'm not singling out catholic priests . Just speaking from experience. The only time I've ever had a member of the clergy concerned about my well being is when it was time to pay my 10% to the church . That to me was very telling . I know hundreds of people that have had the same experience.

Vindicator

I am sorry to hear that. :-(

tholinz

Confession is not a pay-to-play thing. I don’t know why you’d think that. No legitimate Christian organization charges its members to participate in services. The Catholic Church does not deny confession to anyone, especially not due to lack of donations.

You might be thinking of indulgences, but that shit’s been out pretty much since Martin Luther called them on it.

There are scam artists out there who might charge for things like this, but it’s just that; a scam.

Cc1914

Right ! And just how do you or any other innocent Person tell the difference ?

GreenDell144

It could work if it’s applied correctly. Recently, my mother-in-law threatened to accuse me of abusing my kids if I didn’t do what she wanted. I told her: “go ahead”! If she had thought I was bad, why did she wait ‘til now to accuse me? Well, it would be nice to recieve that benefit of the doubt, in this case. I was also struck with the need to be reasonable myself here. It’s a valid policy, IMO. Two witnesses... hmm. Reasonably, I am going to put more weight on the testimony of a victim, than on a 3rd party accuser (like my own mother-in-law). If I don’t know what to believe, I report the suspicious activity to the police and wait until there is more info (like a 2nd witness). Technically, this two witness thing isn’t even about crimes, tho. As far as I can tell, it’s about little disputes, or dealing with addictions or secret affairs or whatever.

There have been a few victims coming forward, stating that their reports of abuse were quashed by a misapplication of this rule. That’s unfortunate. Evidence that even a seemingly reasonable policy can be abused by imperfect people. Any rule however, no matter how decent, is useless for those with evil hearts, IMO.

nzmc

so lets get something straight

  • pizza gate is real
  • un and red cross were selling children
  • jehovah witness too

woah

carmencita

All religions are compromised. The heads of the religions are the ones that are involved in these nefarious activities. The followers almost all of them have no clue as to what is going on. Just like we were babes in the woods until we were red pilled. Beyond disgusting. Scientology, Catholic Church (Vatican), Evangelical, and we just had a post by @fogdryer about Jewish Rabbis in NY and their being protected. This goes to the top. Most of us know Jewish people from work, school, and have them as friends. They know nothing about this. Just as I have Catholic friends and they think I am nuts when I talk about the Vatican and Jesuits, etc. @Cc1914

twistedmac11

Exactly. If politics, education, the media, and so on have been compromised, what makes people think the religious institution hasn't been touched? It's been warped, twisted, and turned around to have the opposite effect, just like everything else. The government is comprised of a bunch of idiots wasting everyone's time and money, the education system churns out idiots, and the media promotes nothing remotely close to the truth. Religion is no different. The devil is "the great deceiver" after all. Everything has been made to serve that purpose.

carmencita

I would not be surprised if we already have seen the devil or his right hand man. He sits in power in Italy at the head of the RCC. Jesuits are suppose to be the Order of Jesus. What a joke. Jesu-it-s. All along they have been playing a joke on us. Yes, the biggest trick they played on us was brainwashing us into believing the devil does not exist.

smokratez

Isn't this why they were banned in Russia past year?

GreenDell144

They were banned for extremism: they don’t vote, salute flags or participate in military service.

smokratez

If it's for not integrating, why aren't muslims banned?

Cc1914

No , the Russian government planted fake material inside their Kingdom Hall and labeled their teachings extreme . It's all on video .

smokratez

Guess I'll have to do some research. Thanks.

chuckletrousers

Guess I'll have to ~do some research~ watch some YouTube videos that I agree with.

FTFY

Cc1914

No problem .. we need to research everything before we spread dis info ... it's hard when we hear all different stories about what "really" happened etc ..