Can I suck your baby's dick? ( pizzagate )

submitted by LukeArtanis

On YouTube, Mama Michelle asks "Can I suck your baby's dick?"

Partial transcript begins:

"Now, I definitely have a provocative title in this video. Just the idea of typing this in makes me cringe, but I want to get people to think about how society accepts very, very sick behavior. I'm speaking specifically of a form of the bris ceremony, that I didn't know about until I saw a headline, and I didn't read the whole story--actually I didn't read any of it, I was just so disgusted. But apparently a mohel transmitted herpes to a baby boy when he did a bris ceremony because after he cut off the foreskin according to the tradition the mohel sucks the baby's penis. And he had a herpes sore in his mouth, and he gave herpes to the baby boy ."

JackBlack1

I'm no friend of Jews, but I recognize that this is part of their religious practices and there is nothing sexual about it. It's very regrettable and disgusting that the child actually got a sexual disease from it but that is their religion. Are you going to condemn them for their religion as long as they are not committing outright crimes. I think we can find other things to attack and solve before we swing around to tackle this.

cryptopancakes

What in the FUCK is wrong with you to post something with a title like that? Fucking vomit-inducing. You could've had a better title that would've gotten the message across. You might be getting too carried away and desensitized with all the PG research...

Vindicator

@LukeArtanis , v/pizzagate is for research you demonstrate is directly related to the sexual abuse/trafficking of kids by the global elite. You have not made a case that this thread is about that (see Rule 1). You've got 10 hours remaining on your edit flair.

@ben_matlock

LukeArtanis

LMAO!

VFD

Why does this still have a 24h Warning tag??

Factfinder2

"Since 2000, 24 babies have contracted neonatal herpes following MBP. Two died and two were brain damaged, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Some 5,200 babies — 48 percent of all Jewish baby boys in New York City — had a bris with metzitzah b’peh in 2006, according to a study by Awi Federgruen, a professor of quantitative methodology at Columbia Business School."

http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/culture-divide-seen-animating-bris-debate/

LukeArtanis

Whoa, that's more than I thought.

Factfinder2

Rabbi Performs Controversial Metzitzah B'Peh Circumcision Rite — Law or No: https://forward.com/news/195306/rabbi-performs-controversial-metzitzah-bpeh-circum/

De Blasio Admits Failure To Stop Mohels With Herpes From Performing Snip-N-Suck Circumcisions: http://gothamist.com/2017/03/30/de_blasio_herpes_circumcision.php

carmencita

This practice is beyond disgusting. I have been to Christian Baptisms and a baby usually cries because water gets in their eyes. That's about all the pain they feel. I can't even imagine the pain that little baby must feel. I agree that this must stop and must be spread so that others know. I am sure most people don't even realize what goes on. These are sick individuals that participated in this abuse. Yes it is abuse. These rituals are usually practiced by and in Hasidic communities.

urbanmoving

In reality I've seen just sprinkling of water, the jews well they added this talmudic thing to the circumcision practice which was demark them from the nations after Christ, and its not just a snip ohhh no its a blood ducking affair totally sick. Talmud-Kabbalah needs to go.

carmencita

Really someone ought to undertake this. A get on the Bandwagon kind of push to stop the pain. These poor little babies. I believe it has an effect on them. The purpose behind it may be two fold. I can't believe those little boys are not unchanged.

LukeArtanis

I have been to Christian Baptisms and a baby usually cries because water gets in their eyes. That's about all the pain they feel.

What you describe is clearly child abuse, and I am completely opposed to it. If what you're doing makes a child feel pain, and you're doing it for your religious beliefs, then you're abusing your child--not bestowing upon them some kind of magical religious benefit. Water getting into the child's eyes is traumatic for them and a betrayal of their trust in their parents to keep them safe.

Also, sometimes baptism is done in an even more abusive way, which is nothing short of torture. Here is a video of such baptism in Tbilisi, Georgia, in which the Christian Orthodox priest submerges the child's head in water (warning: child abuse ). You can clearly see the panic on the victims' faces. Notice the adults standing around snickering uncomfortably, too afraid to stop the "holy ritual". I have no doubt that these children will suffer long-term psychological harm as a result of this abuse.

carmencita

It's not pain to get a little water in the face. It is a minimal sprinkling not a gush of drowning water. If there is any torture involved I have never seen it. The last one I went to the priest wet his thumb with Holy Water and made the sign of the cross on the baby's forehead.

Kekalicious

To hack away any part of a human being that serves no medical benefit is cultist behavior. Just cause they did it to daddy means they can do it to you. Sheeple logic at it's finest. They even fuck it up from time to time. Look up David Reimer some time. Accidentally cut his off and tried to make him think he was female, you can guess it ended well.

carmencita

You don't need to convince me. I am totally aware that some in all religions are perverted and up to no good.

RURAL-TROOPER

Infant baptism is not biblical.

urbanmoving

VOMIT

ben_matlock

Hi @lukeartanis , I think you may have linked to the wrong video because that one is just music.

Also, would you mind deleting this post and and re-submitting with a different title (one that better explains what the post is about?) I guess I understand that lady's rationale for using it, but I don't think it is appropriate for this sub.

I appreciate your understanding, thanks.

think-

@LukeArtanis : Unfortunately, I will have to remove the post, since you didn't self-delete and repost with a more adequate title as requested by @ben_matlock .

@Vindicator

LukeArtanis

Thanks, the link to the video has been fixed.

Yes, I would mind re-titling the post. The title of the video is the taboo question which the child rapists do not wish to utter. By silencing this question, aren't wouldn't we be doing what the offenders desire? There was a proposed reform in NYC to require that parents be informed that this procedure would be done to their children before taking place. So that parents would have the opportunity to say "No! You may not suck my son's penis." But, sadly, even this minor reform was defeated.

LukeArtanis

Also, on the opposite end of the spectrum. Some Jews are adopting a modern bris ceremony without circumcision.

Blacksmith21

You are aware that the disgusting practice referenced in your video is practiced by a teeny, tiny sect of Judaism located in Brooklyn? That's about it. It is not a mainstream practice whatsoever.

I've been to several bris' (that's what happens when you have Jew friends) and none of the mohel (sp) do anything remotely creepy like that.

You've been to a bris, right @lukeartanis ?

LukeArtanis

You are aware that the disgusting practice referenced in your video is practiced by a teeny, tiny sect of Judaism located in Brooklyn? That's about it. It is not a mainstream practice whatsoever.

Thousands of children are subjected to oral rape during their "bris", each year. If only a single person were subjected to this sexual abuse, it would be worthwhile to give voice to the victim. Is it fair to dehumanize these human beings into a mere statistic?

I've been to several bris' (that's what happens when you have Jew friends) and none of the mohel (sp) do anything remotely creepy like that.

You find nothing remotely creepy about stripping a baby naked, ripping apart this skin from his penis, and penetrating his genitals with a knife? You find nothing creepy about a room of adults celebrating while a baby is screaming in pain from having his sexual boundaries violated?

You've been to a bris, right @lukeartanis ?

There would be bloodshed if I went to a "bris", but not the blood of a sexually abused child. Attending a party to celebrate the gang blade rape of a baby isn't something that I would brag about if I were you.

Blacksmith21

I had to do a little research to formulate an informed response. The practice is observed by a very small sect of Lithuanian Hasidic Jews. As best as I can tell, the practice is virtually extinct at this point, and all but a very small sect still practice this ritual going back to 200CE and is attributed to the Greeks in it's origination.

I'm not providing ANY excuse for it. Use of the mouth as a method of staunching blood is gross beyond gross. And a health risk. It has almost been banned at this point.

So I have to assume that you are part of the non-circumcised crowd. That was your parents choice. It isn't our problem if you got laughed at in the locker room for having an anteater. I'll make the assumption you're American. In which case 70-90% of males in America are circumcised.

Let me ask you this - remove the oral component as that is RARE upon RARE - how do you think circumcision is done in the hospital? Same exact way a mohel does it. No difference. Except a mohel may perform 30 per week. A pediatrician maybe 1 or 2. I actually called a Jewish friend on this and found out - wait for it - even non-Jewish doctors call on the local mohel's to perform a non-ritual circumcision at the parents house because they are far more experienced than the doctors are.

Personally, I find all religious ceremonies creepy. It doesn't matter what the celebration or ceremony is. But that is just me.

So I can get how some arcane practice might get your dander up, each to his own (less dick sucking).

I am curious - what are your thoughts on bacha bazi? Is that OK in your book? I've actually seen that in Afghanistan. Very widespread.

Factfinder2

Could you please share links to your research that showed "the practice is observed by a very small sect of Lithuanian Hasidic Jews" and that "the practice is virtually extinct at this point, and all but a very small sect still practice this ritual going back to 200CE and is attributed to the Greeks in it's origination." Thanks.

Immelda

It isn't our problem if you got laughed at in the locker room for having an anteater

That is a terribly sad sentence.

LukeArtanis

So I have to assume that you are part of the non-circumcised crowd.

Technically, you don't have to assume that. Haven't you ever met a man who regards circumcision as genital mutilation?

That was your parents choice.

There is no moment in time when a parent chooses to put foreskin on their son. The child grows his entire penis in the womb, for himself, using his own DNA. It is true that a parent has the power to remove the genitals of a child in whole or part--thereby taking away the freedom of that person to keep their whole penis or clitoris or whatever. Is it right for a person to make a personal choice or decision about their own body? And, is it right to permanently impose our preferences onto someone else's body which does not belong to us?

It isn't our problem if you got laughed at in the locker room for having an anteater.

Some parents fear their child will be bullied or shaming as a boy or a man simply for having typical male anatomy. Isn't it also bullying to remove healthy, functional body parts from a child when they are helpless and cannot defend themselves? Other parents teach their children that they are born perfect . These children grow up to be men who are grateful that their parents stood up to the bullies who wanted to hurt them by removing part of their genitals.

I'll make the assumption you're American. In which case 70-90% of males in America are circumcised.

I am an American. Where do you get those numbers? Current circumcision rates in the US vary from city to city and state to state and are on the decline from a peak in the 1980s.

Let me ask you this - remove the oral component as that is RARE upon RARE

Again, the children who suffering from sexual abuse are not statistics which can be dismissed as "rare". For the victims, it doesn't matter how many other people have been orally raped. From their perspective, this oral rape actually happened. I am here to give voice to them.

LukeArtanis

I had to do a little research to formulate an informed response.

What are your sources?

The practice is observed by a very small sect of Lithuanian Hasidic Jews.

American children are still being raped by this practice in the current year.

[New York City] health officials estimate more than 3,000 babies are circumcised each year using the oral suction method — formally called metzitzah b’peh in Hebrew.

Being born on US soil means you are an American citizen protected by secular law... supposedly. Apparently the Rabbis believe that Jewish children don't deserve the same legal protection other Americans have.

As best as I can tell, the practice is virtually extinct at this point

Tell that to the victims. These are not "virtual" rapes. They are real cases of criminal sexual abuse of children practiced openly in America.

this ritual going back to 200CE and is attributed to the Greeks in it's origination.

That is outright disinformation. The metzitzah b'peh ritual was established by Jewish Rabbis. I linked to the Mishnah and Talmud in the OP which describe the practice. The Greeks were famously opposed to circumcision as they prized the foreskin. They considered a long foreskin to be the ideal of beauty.

I'm not providing ANY excuse for it.

No, you're just minimizing by saying there are only a small number of cases. This dehumanizes the victims to a mere statistic.

Use of the mouth as a method of staunching blood is gross beyond gross. And a health risk. It has almost been banned at this point.

The fact is that it has not been banned. Not even close. Parents are often not aware that the mohel will suck the child's penis. So, in 2012, the New York City Board of Health passed a modest reform requiring parents to sign a consent form. By 2015, the rule was repealed under pressure from the Jewish community. Thousands are American children are still violated every year.

Blacksmith21

I am not sure why you are fighting me when I am clear that this is a disgusting and dangerous practice which should be outlawed. Period. No gray area. I'm not minimizing anything,

If you really want to get technical, circumcision goes back to the ancient Egyptians. You may want to read a little more on the subject and not be so myopic.

I completely agree - a few thousand infants subjected to this gross ritual is a few thousand too many. A baby has no say. That being said, I do know one adult who wasn't circumsized and had so many health issues he got snipped at 27 yo - extremely painful. That's why circumcision is done as an infant.

Now that I have answered all of your question - how about your thoughts on bacha bazi as a ritual?

LukeArtanis

I am not sure why you are fighting me

You recognize the harm to a baby boy from raped with a mouth. We agree on this. I also recognize the harm of being raped with a knife. Do you? If I had to chose one or the other, I would go for the one that causes less physical damage to my body.

I completely agree - a few thousand infants subjected to this gross ritual is a few thousand too many. A baby has no say.

It's even worse than that. The baby communicates with screams and kicks and tries his very best to escape the attack, but his attackers choose to ignore his say.

I do know one adult who wasn't circumsized and had so many health issues he got snipped at 27 yo - extremely painful.

You know a man who consented to circumcision as an adult, and it was extremely painful for him. It is also extremely painful for a man to be circumcised as a baby. Babies must be conscious during the procedure because general anesthesia is too dangerous for them. Not to mention the pain of having a bloody open wound on your genitals that is burned by acidic urine. Not very sanitary environment either inside a diaper with feces.

What disease was your friend diagnosed with? One man out of how many men who live without any problem of their penis their whole life? How unlucky for him to have a rare condition that couldn't be treated any other way but amputation. How do you compare an adult with a medical condition to subjecting all infant boys to unnecessary surgery when they have perfectly normal, healthy genitals without any diagnosis of disease?

That's why circumcision is done as an infant.

The reason why infants are circumcised is that they can't fight back. An adult man can defend himself and will not let you circumcise him without his consent, but it's very easy to force circumcision on a child.

Now that I have answered all of your question - how about your thoughts on bacha bazi as a ritual?

I'm not familiar with it. I think I've vaguely heard something of socially accepted gang sexual abuse of young boys in Afghanistan. Is that what bacha bazi is?

Immelda

All in the name of religions sick fantasy.

Blacksmith21

All religions are sick in many ways. Mind control.

urbanmoving

Disagree