Vindicator

@ASolo , your opportunity to add the links supporting the many claims in this thread, or temper the claims, is unfortunately up, so I am going to need to remove this now per Rule 2. In the event you would like to repost, I've DMed you the source text so you don't lose formatting. When you repost, please include links to primary sources, not just jpgs. Thank you.

carmencita

http://www.addisonindependent.com/200610masonic-historical-documents-found

JOHN TESTER, SECRETARY of the Orwell Freemasons, talks to Orwell students Tuesday about the 800 historical documents that he found in a Masonic Lodge desk. The documents, some dating back almost 200 years, trace the history of the Orwell Freemasons.

ORWELL — When John Tester, secretary of Masonic Independence Lodge No. 10 in Orwell, sat down at the lodge’s 1864 flip-top desk to do some spring cleaning last May he made an unexpected find — almost 200 years of handwritten history. About 800 documents, written on tri-folded parchment in impeccable condition and neatly tucked into the back of the desk, told the story of the Orwell Freemasons like Tester had never seen it before.

He brought the documents — and a lesson in Freemason, town and U.S. history — to Orwell middle school students on Tuesday.

Most of the documents were created before 1880 and are petitions to apply for membership to the order.

“The Masonic rituals have been unchanged for 700 years,” Tester told the Orwell students gathered at the town hall. “The qualifications for acceptance have always been the same: A man freeborn, of good and worthy standing, who believes in a higher being, whether that be God or Allah or someone else.”

Tester recognized the names of prominent families in Orwell like the Bascoms, the Barbers and the Bottums. Roswell Bottum, who wrote his petition in 1817, had been a district court judge in Middlebury as well as Orwell town clerk.

Some members of Independence Lodge recognized the pencil handwriting on the back of each document, a brief sentence from the last time these papers had been sorted, as belonging to Julius C. Thomas, whose 91-year-old son still lives in Orwell. Julius Thomas had been the secretary of the fraternity in the early 1920s, and in 1934, he was the first Orwell member to become Grand Master of Vermont.

The documents also include correspondence from other lodges in Vermont, discussing the expulsion or suspension of certain members — warnings to Orwell Freemasons not to allow the outcast to simply rejoin the fraternity in a different lodge. Most members were expelled for not paying their dues, which in the early 1800s were 50 cents a year. Others were kicked out for drinking distilled beverages in excess or committing adultery.

ORIGINS OF THE SOCIETY (Click on Link) This is very interesting.

think-

That's very interesting, Carm, thanks for sharing!

carmencita

I didn't realize the importance of it at first then my Eyes Popped Open.

think-

then my Eyes Popped Open

Yes. Great info. :-)

ASolo

See, right here is some unbelievably valuable insight but y'all wanna delete it because you are meticulous fools, the references to the material are in the source artical I'm not sure why I have to argue such simple things

carmencita

Yes, I did not want to copy the whole thing because it is so long. The rest is Eye Opening about their past and still doing. What REALLY scares me is that he is pushing belonging to the Masons to young kids. And the Girls. Sicko. Evil Sicko.

HennyPenny

This is Dr. Pena allegedly in a video when she was an Army med intern: https://www.you tube.com/watch?v=LV5Ckf-A6Zo

A blog from the you tube video:

"So, the military put a psychologically troubled female doctor in charge VP Mike Pence's family's healthcare? Knowing Pence's stance about not being alone w/ other women? Coincidence or set-up for character assassination? "

think-

Hi @ASolo . :-)

I've got some edit requests for this posts, please see below. The mindcontrolblackassassins article where you derive many of your claims is very speculative. We'd need especially a legit source for the claim that Pena was a NXIVM sex slave.

Pan-sexual or Bisexual U.S. Army Med Interns Dr. Casey Danielsen and Dr. Pena

Do you have another source for the claim that the two have been pansexual/bisexual, apart from the photo showing them together?

In 2010, Dr. Pena, from Puerto Rico, was embroiled in a sordid sex scandal that caused her US Army evaluators to write about her a warning that she “was well-known for her lewd, hypersexual behavior and sexually-explicit comments”.

Please add a link.

It is reported that Democrat Senator Jon Tester of Montana met with Clare, Sarah Bronfman, and Dr. Jennifer Pena at the White House Military Office for the U.S. Army.

Please add a link.

It is alleged that Clare and Sarah Bronfman wanted Dr. Jackson out and their NXIVM Honey Pot, Dr. Pena, to be Trump’s Whits House physician. BIG

Please add a source (a legit source).

Dr. Pena appears to have been a MK ULTRA/MONARCH NXIVM sex slave inside the White House.

Dr. Pena was heavily involved in recruiting NXIVM operatives inside the WH and U.S. military...

This would be very interesting if true, but I'm afraid we'll need some evidence.

According to an army investigation, Dr. Pena had unsuccessfully sought a romantic relationship with another military doctor that rejected her sexual advances and recruitment while she was engaged to her first fiancé.

Would you please able to add a link here?

German Branch of ILLUMINATI

How were Skulls and Bones the German Branch of the 'Illuminati'?

I will give the post a '24 hours period of grace' flair per Rule 2, so that you'll have time to edit. Thank you.

ASolo

Ok. I'll just post MigratoryPatterns thread that makes the same supposition as this one, in his own words, not written by an ex black panther lol, that WASN'T flaired or fucked with.

I guess I have to put a caveat in there like he did:

"So, I guess, I have no independent proof that Pena was associated with NXIVM and I would like some. But her being a member of Skull & Bones is disturbing as is her background. It was enough for me to have my doubts about what her motivation truly was."

Allegation that Jennifer Pena is an Associate of NXIVM's Allison Mack and that she Derailed Ronny Jackson in Order to Set POTUS up and Cry Rape! https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2527056

He doesn't get asked to move his thread into http//voatfuckingoblivion.cam either... wtf?

think-

I guess I have to put a caveat in there like he did:I guess I have to put a caveat in there like he did:

Yes, @ASolo , that's exactly the difference between your post and @migratorypatterns .

You claim that the possible NXIVM connection is a fact , while @migratorypatterns is cautious and tries to make an assessment of the allegation. She clearly states that there is no proof , and that the allegations are speculative.

Do you see the difference? Please also see the comment I wrote earlier.

He doesn't get asked to move his thread into http//voatfuckingoblivion.cam either... wtf?

For the reasons I explained above.

The mindcontrolblackassissins blog is sometimes problematic, because it pretends that unproven allegations are facts. If you would like to continue using it as a source, it would be great if you vet the info that is posted there. Just citing the blog as a source is not enough to back up a claim.

=> We need to be accurate in our research, and point out what is proven, and what is merely speculative.

I really appreciate all the incredible work you've done on v/pizzagate . Please keep up the excellent work.

@Vindicator @ben_matlock @EricKaliberhall @Honeybee_

migratorypatterns

Yo, @think-

You claim that the possible NXIVM connection is a fact, while @migratorypatterns is cautious and tries to make an assessment of the allegation. She clearly states that there is no proof, and that the allegations are speculative.

I resent you referring to me as a woman. I do not correct shills/trolls who for some reason keep flinging the gender thing at me, but I am not a woman, have never been a woman, and am not planning on crossing over to become a woman.

Thanks.

think-

My apologies, @migratorypatterns .

migratorypatterns

Not a problem.

srayzie

I thought you were a woman too! Sorry if I ever called you a she.

migratorypatterns

It's fine.

Part of the game is the doxxing of identity. Shills hammer at the unknown variable and calling a man a woman is a strategy. It's why I never outed myself, but I'm fine with cutting down the options of who and what I am to 50% of the world's population.

think-

Shills hammer at the unknown variable and calling a man a woman is a strategy.

Yep. Donkey does it all the time.

migratorypatterns

I hope Donkey isn't getting paid. I mean, if she's doing it for a lark or because there's darkness in her heart, it's one thing. But if she's being paid at being that bad?

I'd be pissed. Now that would make me go off because I could do so much better.

ESOTERICshade

Part of the game is the doxxing of identity. Shills hammer at the unknown variable and calling a man a woman is a strategy. It's why I never outed myself, but I'm fine with cutting down the options of who and what I am to 50% of the world's population.

Its because you told a member of this forum that you were quantokitty and kitty was supposedly a woman.

srayzie

I keep thinking of that poor guy who said you were brilliant and liked you and I gave him flower emoji’s to give you! Haha.

Yeah nobody will find you by cutting it down to 50%. I acted like a guy for a couple of months in the beginning. When people made me mad, I’d tell them to suck my dick! 🤣 I outed myself when this crazy feminist chick was going off on me about how terrible men are. I told her off and said I’m not even a man wench!

migratorypatterns

I keep thinking of that poor guy who said you were brilliant and liked you and I gave him flower emoji’s to give you! Haha.

Why do I not remember that? Must be selective memory ... but you think I'd remember someone that actually gave me a compliment!

Most time I think it's funny when shills go off in that direction. They should have a shill flower emoji for shills who give the best rant. Or maybe an emoji shill Academy Award for best performance without actually getting so hysterical they run out of breath?

We're all here and I don't see the point in outing gender except to dox someone, but gender is a tactic for getting a rise out of someone ... and that's what shills want. LARPs also and God knows they're around! Me? I just plod along ... trying to keep focused on why I'm here which is to receive flower emoji's ... which is to post about pizzagate and keep pizzagaters informed.

think-

They should have a shill flower emoji for shills who give the best rant.

LOL

migratorypatterns

I know, I know. The flower would be in every freakin' post on here!

think-

You bet!

srayzie

Well you’ve done a great job. I don’t have the strength to hold back on some punks. But I love that Donkey will feel stupid! All the crap he said. PRICELESS!

🤣 Remember you and I didn’t like each other? I would tell you to take medicine for your PMS. Haha. But I think you’re one of the best posters here. 👏🏻

migratorypatterns

Thanks. When you realize that they're winning by getting you upset, it ceases to matter. Eye on the prize ... eye on the prize. And Donkey? ''She's'' blocked so I don't even know what's been said. The same goes for everyone I've blocked. I don't hit ''Show''. Once in a while I will just to see if they're still being stupid, but usually? No. Absolutely not. They're not who I'm here for.

🤣 Remember you and I didn’t like each other?

Yes, I surely do.

I think you’re one of the best posters here. 👏🏻

Thanks. Appreciate it. I always appreciate support.

ASolo

I think you're getting a bit flair happy.

think-

I don't think so, @ASolo . We'd need solid evidence for the claim that the Dr. was a NXIVM slave.

But I'll ask the other mods to please have a look at the post and share their opinion, ASolo:

@Vindicator @ben_matlock @EricKaliberhall - would you be able to please vet this post, and leave a comment if possible - OP thinks my flair isn't justified. Thank you.

ASolo

OMG, being in the periphery and a private meeting with the bronfman sisters isn't enough 'evidence'? You want the NXIVM roster before it'll be accepted on VOAT PIZZAGATE. I think you were bored and needed to throw around some weight. Ok, go ahead a pick apart an EX BLACK PANTHERS work, a dude that grew up around ALL of it in some of the roughest cities in california.

ASolo

I think you are being a bit bit picky. There is no way I can "Prove" a supposition for this:

"Please add a source (a legit source):

Dr. Pena appears to have been a MK ULTRA/MONARCH NXIVM sex slave inside the White House.

Dr. Pena was heavily involved in recruiting NXIVM operatives inside the WH and U.S. military..."

That would NEGATE it being a CONSPIRACY THEORY and hypothesis (educated guess) and therefore a fact beyone being able to be proven, because it is proven....

Ridiculous, you are asking ME AND THE SOURCE of this material NOT TO THEORIZE about what's actually happening and it's not submittable if I can't prove it.... it's a bit of an anathema to conspiracy THEORY...

Don't you see how you are overstepping your bounds by criticizing this material like this?

think-

Ridiculous, you are asking ME AND THE SOURCE of this material NOT TO THEORIZE about what's actually happening and it's not submittable if I can't prove it....

@ASolo - you claim that there was a NXIVM plant in the WH. And yes, a claim like this needs to be proven.

And the OP of the blog you linked even alleges that she was a MK Ultra/Monarch sex slave.

Seems I've gotten a couple of these strange edit requests lately because the material isn't on point with a certain slant is it?

Elaborate? I'm afraid I honestly don't know what you mean.

Regarding NXIVM: You might have read my numerous comments on NXIVM research threads - if we could indeed prove that there was a connection to the WH, that would be huge! But we need evidence.

You can always post speculative submissions to v/pizzagatewhatever first, gather more info, and then crosspost to v/pizzagate .

Also, if you indicate by your wording that you - or your blog sources - are merely speculating, this would be of great help.

Example: 'Did NXIVM have a plant in the WH'? would already indicate that you're not sure, but trying to dig up evidence.

While 'NXIVM had a plant in the WH' is a claim that would need proof.

I will ask @Vindicator , @ben_matlock and @EricKaliberhall to chime in and please share their thoughts.

Thank you.

Vindicator

@ASolo , I agree with think-. We are not the MSM who just throw around Fake News claims with no substantiation. The link you provided does not provide support for these claims any more than you do. jpg's of people together are not sufficient for the bold claims you are asserting. You need to either temper the claims so you don't bit off more than you can chew, move them to the Comment section (where speculation is fine, confining the body of the post to source-linked research only), or post this in v/pizzagatewhatever and ping people to it and/or link to it in comments on other threads here.

ASolo

Your confusing matters and making them more difficult than they need to be.

ASolo

You honestly don't know what I mean? You've flaired my last 2 threads, and I've seen more flairs on things than I have in a long time, some without flairs that need them... I mean you're always fair for the most part but what all of a sudden people have problems with solos threads...

think-

@ASolo , IIRC correctly, I PMed you a couple of days ago, and ask for an edit, so that I didn't have to flair your post. (And you've been so kind as to edit.) So I think it's a bit unfair to allege I was 'flair-happy'. I'm always glad when I don't have to flair posts, honestly.

Just state clearly what is proven fact, and what is a mere possibiltiy, and it'll be fine. :-)

Vindicator

what all of a sudden people have problems with solos threads...

Perhaps the heating up of the Swamp Draining process has made you more prone to loosen your standards for supporting what you post. :-) That's understandable.

ASolo

I could give a fuck about editing delete at your own peril I've submitted enough work to this place yall wanna delete on a superflous semantics be my guest

DeathToMasonsASAP

Gatekeeper.

carmencita

Read my comment about John Tester being a Orwell Freemason http://www.addisonindependent.com/200610masonic-historical-documents-found

Lizonya33

Are you seriously trying to tie NXIVM with MK Ultra? NXIVM is a wart on a nutsack in comparison. I do not believe the government would allow NXIVM to reach the levels of Scientology or other organizations utilizing these practices. I was curious if the Bronfmans were being blackmailed and allowed NXIVM to use their money to avoid collateral being released. It just not add up why they would tie themselves to this dweeb.

ASolo

It's pretty obvious Raniere was WELL VERSED in MK-Ultra technique. Now whether he borrowed that from th internet or if he was invited at the behest of big personalities I do not know, his connections indicate he latter. THICK

DeathToMasonsASAP

What government? Satanic USA inc. owned by Rotshchild banking cartel. Warburgs, Rockefellers, Morgans?...Yeah, they would never allow it. Good call.

Hopevoats

OK. So, Trump, Kanye, Kim Kardashian, Roseanne, and Pence are all on the dark side. We are totally fucked, I take it? What are we to do?

DeathToMasonsASAP

Stop expecting them to fight themselves. We do it or nothing gets done. The entire system is theirs. stop with the Trump and Q bullshit. They aren't going to save in X amount of days, months years. We have to do it. Step one, close your bank accounts. Let me guess, asking too much?

YogSoggoth

I got something completely different from this. They tried to infiltrate and failed. Still on the fence with Pence.

SebuttYopick

strange news indeed

Empire_of_the_mind

We know Pena is trash - please elaborate on the link between her and Bronfmans.

migratorypatterns

Yup. Some of this came out during her trashing sabotage of Dr. Ronny Jackson. She had even gotten the Bronfman hags witches sisters in the WH to talk to Pence.