061916

Right guy at the right place at the right time

Piscina

We have reached the point where our jailed criminals have more decency, integrity and morals than those on the outside. Sorry, but I feel very little sympathy for pedophiles abused in prison. Yes, it's tragic all around because usually the pedophiles were themselves victims of sexual abuse. But they are now adults and they have the power to not act on their urges.

A group of men were convicted of a gang rape and murder of a young woman. They brutally tortured her before she died. In prison, some of these men were attacked by other inmates, who stuck a steel pipe up their anuses with barbed wire in it. The steel pipes were then pulled out leaving the barbed wire stuck up their anuses.

Andidog

Some of these gang members with life long criminal records should have committed the crime, they all started out as protection for their communities right? Child molesters hold no race boundaries. I’m sure they prefer their particular type but like all rock spiders they get what they can take. The real crime is how was a previously convicted child molester out of prison? You rape a child or are in possession of child porn and you are convicted, you go to prison until you become a fossil. Personally I think you should be killed, but that would never fly these days, so in lieu of that back to option 1.

Factfinder2

You rape a child or are in possession of child porn and you are convicted, you go to prison until you become a fossil.

I wholeheartedly agree. No second chances.

KillerKap

Preview for what will happen to the democrat human trafficking network.

ExceptionEncountered

Certainly seems like they took a long smoke break while they let him bleed out/succumb to his wounds. Must've been a real monster.

Pr1vate0xymoron

Good fucking riddance.

Mortifera

But the antifa leader from Portland who raped 4 kids as young as 9 as well as 2 17-year-olds got a slap on the wrist.

Patient-00

5 Days...what the hell took em so long...I guess everyone was in the med-line

Pizzalawyer

I guess this molester's urges were just too strong. Such persons do not make good parents to begin with and they should just be castrated, and I am dead serious.

Factfinder2

There is debate about the efficacy of castration or any other preventive measure, and because of this, there should be no second chances for child rapists imo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1992/03/17/does-castration-stop-sex-crimes/34bf63ee-840c-41e4-9c5f-5ac1bcf95b15/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.536ac0ae6f3b

"Rape crisis workers say that violence, not sex, is the real problem, which castration fails to address. "This misfocuses the issue and feeds into the myths about rape," said Denise Snyder, executive director of the D.C. Rape Crisis Center. "Sexual assault is a crime of violence and aggression . . . not the product of an uncontrollable sex drive."

The problem is often in the brain, not the testicles, said Barbara K. Schwartz, director of the Sex Offender Treatment Program at Twin Rivers Correctional Center in Monroe, Wash. A rapist who has been castrated "could still be a phenomenal danger. He can go out and, instead of raping people, he can assault them with broom handles or bottles or beat them up or kill them." "

Pizzalawyer

you are right about the literature but there you are dealing with chemical castration which may not be as effective as people think. Ancient cultures employed actual removal of the testicles to create eunuchs to serve and guard harems.

Gelded horses and nuetered dogs are for the most part quite neutral sexually, only occasionally aroused..

I agree that rape of an adult peer is based in large part on violence and power but I am not convinced as to.children. Men, and its mostly men , aren't commiting a violent act when watching child pornography. Those with violent urges will select violent pornography. The news is filled with men murdering children devoid of any sex. So I think we still have a long ways to go to understanding all of this but I favor drastic measures (other than murder!) until we know more. Thanks for the discussion.

septimasexta

"Men, and its mostly men , aren't commiting a violent act when watching child pornography." You have just exposed yourself, PEDO-PIZZA-LAWYER. No wonder this discussion has you sweating...

Factfinder2

From the article:

"In Denmark in the late 1950s and early 1960s sex offenders were permitted to choose prison or surgical castration. Research on 900 castrated sex offenders showed that the rate of repeat offenses was low, about 5 percent."

Here they are talking about surgical castration. My point is that even a "low" 5% rate of reoffending is too much. So is anything above zero. The assault of even one child by a person who has previously been identified as an offender is simply not acceptable IMO.

Pizzalawyer

Thanks for that info.. Those are better results than I would have expected. But what can we do? A life sentence in a prison to insure 0% recidivism? Bill Clinton got a bill.passed that called for 3 strikes, ie felonies, then a life sentence which in the case of a child molester could very well turn into a death sentence.

Factfinder2

Life in captivity is appropriate IMO. You can be assured that child rapists are keenly aware of what their lives in prison would be like if caught and convicted, but they still make the decision to rape .

I ask you, how is it appropriate to release a KNOWN predator with ANY potential to reoffend into a society full of innocent children?

How many children do you think it would be okay to put at risk in order to ensure that a convicted child rapist doesn't get hurt in prison?

I believe you don't really want to put any children at risk, but I urge you to think about this in real world terms. When these creeps are released from prison, children are at risk. It is a fact.

We need to take off the rose-colored glasses and adjust penalties to match crimes. A child's entire life is stolen when he or she is raped--their whole life--and they didn't get to choose whether or not they wanted to have their lives ruined.

Sometimesineedhelp

Nobody cares when a child molester is killed, but I find this glee distasteful given how we all know that wrongful convictions based on false rape accusations do happen... :/ I don't think we should tolerate our prisons being this barbaric for anyone, even those we wish death. I highly recommend Louis Theroux's BBC documentary on Miami prisons if you haven't seen it. Let's not let ourselves become monsters just because others are.

Pizzalawyer

Your comment is the most rational and civilized of all but look how you are outnumbered. Now that is pause for concern.

septimasexta

Really? Why would you say that? Consistently, in a prison full of lawbreakers- some murderers, the pedophile is always looked down on and sometimes is killed by them. What do they know? Hillary for Wasco State Prison! Let's put an end to the 2-tier legal system.

Pizzalawyer

@septimusexta : I happen to be against capital punishment even for molesters and all to frequently fellow prisoners play judge, jury and executioner. Im not opposed to life imprisonment, solitary confinement, physical and chemical castration.

Now I wonder how many molesters will serve no time because a judge doesnt want to see the culprit murdered.

septimasexta

I happen to be FOR capital punishment. Especially for child RAPISTS / MURDERERS. Pizzagate/ VOAT exists because these SCUM have not been executed. They HAVE NO FEAR, therefore the global Satanic Empire is run by them and CHILDREN ARE CONTINUALLY HARMED, to the detriment of our civilization. Your comment would be expected from a pedopizzalawyer.

sLnTsRvC

What a waste. A public hanging would have been better.

mrohm

And nothing of value was lost.

GIIOST

ive been to jail, plenty of times. I WAS a degenerate. Now I am reborn in Christ and Work on myself constantly. But in jail pedo are killed. and beaten if not killed. Most of the time when a new inmate comes in the other will ask the basic question, what are you in here for? Most pedos arent stupid enough to admit to it, so they come up bullshit stories, and they change over time. if we get a jacket (your charges on paper from the court / record ) on someone nd it has pedo shit on it. you are going to be beaten to a pulp and told to PC yourself. PC = protective custody with all the other skinners. Beating pedos does increase your rank in gangs and status in there. NO ONE likes them. even the guards will tell the inmates on the low that an inmate is a pedo, he knows what we will do. they will look the other way MOST of the time.

Truthseeker3000

@GIIOST hey Giiost glad you’re here and that you are living a better lifestyle for yourself. It’s tough but keep doing what you’re doing. I don’t think I’ve seen you post on pizzagate before, what brings you here? If it’s personal no need to answer.

GIIOST

I've always followed this stuff, long time lurker / researcher. I love how in-depth this sub is. Keep up the good work! and Thank you!

Vindicator

Glad you've turned your life around, GIIOST. That is a tough path to tread.

even the guards will tell the inmates on the low that an inmate is a pedo, he knows what we will do. they will look the other way MOST of the time.

So it sounds like this must be a pretty common occurrence nationwide...which makes me wonder why it's in the news this time around? I wonder if this is part of the public narrative push to protect pedos as victims? @darkknight111 @carmencita

GIIOST

100% I agree with that thought. Skinners / pedos are always killed and beat up in jail. most of the time ruled suicide. unfortunately this one was caught on tape right?

carmencita

Well, if that is their purpose, they had better stand back, it will only infuriate the prison and public even more so. One thing I can tell you, is that the whole area where the Child Rapist lived, is infested and loaded with sex offenders. Whenever they are on a map, they have to be on a sex offender list. That means they are considered dangerous. They must be very bad to be on that list. Would not be surprised if LE is involved in this whole mess. They jury made sure he would at least get 55 yrs. As I said, there is no way LA would let a pedo get 55 yrs. Something behind the curtains here. Possible arranging of his death and those guards letting him die off. A set up for sure, imo. That whole area is a planned community for pedos. But for what reason? Someone said they remembered a pizza parlor in that area.

darkknight111

Never been in jail, but I agree with this account. Sounds about right factually.

YogSoggoth

Never been? It sucks. Avoid when possible. The stories are true and worse, depending on place and season.

benjitsu

I also have no experience with what he is talking about and agree that it totally factually sounds right.

darkknight111

I know people in law enforcement. What he said is true.

Greyskull

good, you fuck with kids I will fucking destroy you

AssJayDoubleyou

Give this guy a medal

carmencita

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/27896937/no arrest record of Andres Donicio Ayon 19.

Typed in Agustin Duran 65 and this came up https://www.spokeo.com/CA/Torrance/1584-Torrance-Blvd He evidently lived there before his arrest but look at all the sex offenders living hear that address. WHAT GIVES?

Factfinder2

Convicted child rapists everywhere. You can map them or get lists of names and details at this site. Red markers on the map indicate sex offences against children. https://www.familywatchdog.us/

There does seem to be a cluster near Duran's former address: https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123689.png

tet-keph

There does seem to be a cluster near Duran's former address

Damn you arent lying . That's a pretty heavy concentration of sex offenders.

Zorrilla

There was a suspicious pizza business in Torrance that was connected to Alefantis through Instagram. Unfortunately I can't remember the name.

Factfinder2

Torrance is also where the LAPD officer assaulted his fellow LAPD officer's 13-year-old daughter recently while staying overnight at their home: https://ktla.com/2018/05/15/lapd-officer-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-13-year-old-girl-in-torrance/

Previous Voat thread: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2547255

Zorrilla

Thanks for the link. I was actually just reading about that as it came up when I was searching for the name of the pizza place in Torrance. That place was called "Pizzaboyzzz".

carmencita

YES Way too many imo. Wonder if there is something going on in that area. Is there not a law about how many in a neighborhood, there should be. Also near schools as well.

ProgNaziGator

In a better moses level world the victims and their parents would have been allowed to do this

ProgNaziGator

You guys say niggers arent good for anything.

Hayashimo

I understand innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all, but this. . .

Duran’s slaying is being investigated as a homicide, officials said.

Just makes me laugh so hard. No. . . Homicide? Really?

Anoxim

As opposed to Self-defence or Manslaughter.

CognitiveDissident5

Headlines like this warm the cockles of my heart.

altaccounttwo

The 19 year old probably was a victim, knew a victim, or had a relative around the age/knew the victim. Just stating the obvious here. Or like another said, he just hated pedos.

Anoxim

Probably a mix of hating pedos and gaining some friends in prison. A guy I knew was serving time in federal for drug trafficking (coke/crack). First day he saw two senior guys fighting. Turns out one guy was an old biker and the other was a pedo. Pedo ended up dying and the biker who was a lifer anyway ended up being a bit of a celebrity in his yard. People were giving him smokes, hash, hooch etc. If its one thing nobody likes. Its a god damn Pedo.

altaccounttwo

Glad most can agree on something then.

carmencita

Yes, most def he could have been a victim. If he was, what Sweet Revenge. I don't think he would care for serving more years. Hopefully more will come out about this case.

altaccounttwo

Sure it will. The dude could be in there for slaughtering children or some shit, but at least he saved the taxpayers money for someone who murdered one of their own. Waiting to see where this goes.

carmencita

I could be wrong, but feel there is more to this story. Yes, I abhor violence but this is what needs to happen when justice is not served.

altaccounttwo

Nah you're probably right.

carmencita

He lives among a sea of other sex offenders. A slew of them. Something is fishy.

Metkim

Finally! Some good news

carmencita

Yes. and Amen.

carmencita

The dead sex offender child rapist was 65. His attacker is 19. The rapist has been arrested before for child sex offenses. We know his must have been doing this for decades. Could Ayon, the attacker, have been one of his Victims? Or does he just hat Child Rapists as much as we do. Don't know, but either way this is still good news. He did our job for us.

Alpha_Voat_Protecter

Another possibility: There are gangs in the prison who wanted Duran beaten/dead, and offered to put recruits on a fast-track up the ranks if they did the deed.

YogSoggoth

Lots of angles. The wrestlers who said Jordan knew about the doctor touching their manly no no places were also involved with the penitentiary system. Could be another form of blackmail. At least you get the point that there is no reason to extend your stay when you are 19.

carmencita

There are all kinds of gangs yes and willing to do almost anything to get out. I also am wondering if this Duran was protected by LE and they now wanted him out of the way. Was he part of something they did not want to come out in a trial? I can't imagine any sex offender getting 55 years in LA. Something is up with that.

RagingShieldMaiden

Or he was ordered to off the molester before the molester said the wrong things about the wrong people.

carmencita

Exactly! Another possibility. Something is wrong when a child rapist gets 55 years in LA. Really?

CatsControlTheEU

The guy who killed him was serving a 6 year sentence, now I wonder how long he's going to serve. It's a real shame because I figure he should be commended for what he did.

benjitsu

Honestly I would have assumed that lifers would be the ones to assume this mantle. If I had a life sentence in the can I am pretty sure I couldn't get more fulfilled than fucking up child molesters.

CognitiveDissident5

Agreed

Mammy

Ayon should be pardoned for all crimes, given a monetary reward, and granted US citizenship if not one already.

fuckfacemcgee

That should be allowed as evidence that the pedo probably attacked him first, so he defended himself. He should hold his head up with pride, he earned rank.

YogSoggoth

It is not so simple. I saw guys bragging about their crimes in county, only to get you to admit yours. Ever hear of undercover cons? Same thing happens in a place like that. Throw in a corrupt warden and staff, and it is hell on Earth. You may cheer him on, but he just extended his sentence. He is just a stupid kid. Freedom with 35,000$ is a better place to start a fight.

fuckfacemcgee

Yessir, did a few years in a couple of federal pens and a state pen. I'm aware of how it can work. In this case however the kid attacked him in the middle of the day-room. He was either trying to make a name for himself (with 6 years left) because he's a crash dummy, or more likely he flipped the fuck out because the motherfucker tried to rape him. ..either way good riddance to the souless fuck he killed.

YogSoggoth

Yep, Things can get mighty strange when you lose your freedom. Another scenario is a fake story, and missing pervert, because he knew something. The kid who killed him might be free right now, and no one would ever know. They could scrub the initial article tomorrow and we would probably not notice it even if archived. Ever hear of the prison mortician? Huahuahaha!

GIIOST

I have experience with them. DTA dont trust anyone. guy I know was wearing a wire and got a friend of mine 40 years, fuckin asshole he was dealing too with cop protection.

fuckfacemcgee

I had a friend that was busted by the Automatic Time Fuckers and then was given automatic weapons to sell to exactly 3 people.

GIIOST

no way?! can't even buy a toaster on the black market without the risk of buying from an UC