nobstruthseeker

Does anyone else get the feeling that most of the divers are gay? Vernon Unsworth himself does look like a pedo, gives out the same vibe of the sick fucks posted by British Fight on Twitter. No evidence yet but something smells very fishy. To have one of the smartest man double down on a claim like this. Elon ain't stupid, a PR stunt ain't worth this.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Musk is a fraud, quit promoting his brilliance. He is connected to the CIA through IN-Q-TEL. He has a habit of slipping and acting like a low level stooge, not a sophisticated CEO. He told a journalist to "stop talking shit", and now calling some dude a pedo without explaining his angle. Musk is a sheeple god as was Steve Jobs.

Blacksmith21

I saw another one of them on TV today. I got the same vibe. After a while, you start to trust your gut and it usually proofs. I think these "divers" may have been the guys running the kids around the 6 mile network. Hard to say for sure. I think we might find out.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Forgive me for wavering, slightly, but i just found this picture of the Australian doctor at the caves along with a diver. Title Here

Blacksmith21

Interesting photo. I wonder where he learned that symbol.

DeathToMasonsASAP

The smile with it was kinda creepy. But, that is the A-ok symbol too, so i guess he can be signaling mission accomplished? But yeah, didn't care to see that, Musk and now that hand signal. Next thing you know Soros will weight in. The rescue is real. Musk has muddied the waters and I wonder if this is a coincidence, or if there is something else going on. My GF told me they only walked an hour in the cave, then turned around and headed back, but got flooded in that short span, and had to retreat deeper and deeper in the caves. I asked her if it is know that floods or heavy rain can trap you in there in an hour, why is access allowed at all?

Blacksmith21

I don't think for a second that this was all above board. If Musk knew something and made that remark, my guess is black hats got to someone in Musk's family and threatened to kill them. The symbolism of the hand signal is over the top. The only thing that was missing was all of them celebrating their "Success" with a picture of the rescuers eating pizza.

Yes, your GF is right - if a cave can flood that fast, it would be off limits during rainy season, even in Thailand. Especially since the system is a tourist attraction. Liability is liability.

And I don't believe for a second they survived 10 days before being discovered.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Elon Musk is part of the cabal, a frontman for phony space programs and green agenda. A spook baby. They want us to take the bait. You site Elon Musk as a legit individual? Constant fails left and right in this sub. Down voat big time. Elon musk...

Blacksmith21

I step away for a bit to get chow and lo and behold, our favorite shills wasted no time in flinging poo.

ESOTERICshade

I step away for a bit to get chow and lo and behold, our favorite shills wasted no time in flinging poo.

This sub used to have some integrity and required facts and details before accusing someone of being a pedophile. Those days are slipping away. Blaming people for being pedophiles with zero information makes us ALL look like assholes and destroys pizzagate's reputation.


I can remember when people would warn each other not to jump to conclusions without any evidence. Those days need to return.

DeathToMasonsASAP

How can you get downvoat's for that sober statement. Oh, I know how...

septimasexta

This topic already has 555 views. A well known billionaire / scientist /engineer called the "hero" a pedo on Twitter. He is doubling down and won't recant. He was there. WHAT DOES HE KNOW?

Are_we_sure

You know this not true right? Elon Musk deleted his out burst.

ESOTERICshade

This topic already has 555 views. A well known billionaire / scientist /engineer called the "hero" a pedo on Twitter. He is doubling down and won't recant. He was there. WHAT DOES HE KNOW?

I'm not sure but I have 2 guesses.

  1. Musk knows something shady about the guy's background.
  2. In typical Musk fashion, he simply shot his mouth off because he is butthurt, and since the guy lives in Thailand he called him a pedo.

Musk is famous for shooting his mouth off so it could be either.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Musk and Tesla are spook fronts. Or do you really think space X is real? That Tesla bleeding 100's of billions of losses for decades and their stock price soaring is Kosher? The banking cartel is buying all the stocks, not the citizens, and Tesla is their agenda. They prop it up indefinitely. Same with CNN and NYT, can't go out of business. They serve a propaganda purpose, so minuscule ratings are not relevant.

Blacksmith21

You've done a good job of making yourself look like an asshole without anyone's help.

ESOTERICshade

The fact that you and AWS miraculously emerge every time someone posts one of these capstone exercises, exposing it to be another false flag with pedophile ties pretty much says everything right there.

Its easy for Are We Sure to eat people's lunch when there are no facts or people jump to conclusions with no evidence. Why do you think Are We Sure switched from trolling this place to trolling the Q sub? Because the Q sub is easy pickings and its easy for Are We Sure to be more accurate than the Q followers. This ain't rocket science.


Elon Musk, fame whore, pissed off a team of professionals and they told him to go fuck himself.

So far you have presented zero evidence and delivered a page full of insults and NOTHING else. Are We Sure hit this thread because it was easy pickings. I actually spent several hours reading about this cave situation instead of jumping on a comment from PR Stunt Master Elon Musk so I was informed.


The kids went into a cave and unexpectedly got flooded in and could not get out. Caves are dangerous as fuck and always have been.


Not only did I read a lot about this situation but I also listened to this guy give a good recap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV-bhwX-amM


Right now, as it stands, you have jumped on a stupid comment from a PR Stunt Master with no evidence and delivered a ton of insults. AS USUAL YOU POSTED A STUPID THREAD.


Tell us again how "Israel never attacked another country, unlike Iran." I need to start posting those quotes when you start running your mouth.

DeathToMasonsASAP

You nailed it as always which is the reason I give Are_We_Sure credit for being an above average shill.

Are_we_sure

Its easy for Are We Sure to eat people's lunch when there are no facts or people jump to conclusions with no evidence. Why do you think Are We Sure switched from trolling this place to trolling the Q sub? Because the Q sub is easy pickings and its easy for Are We Sure to be more accurate than the Q followers. This ain't rocket science.

For the first time on Voat after a year of being accussed of being paid to do this or working for the Rothschilds or David Brock or Soros, I have the feeling "Someone's on to me." Congratulations.

What can I say, the bad logic migrated and I follow the bad logic. I mean this is amazingly bad logic

The fact that you and AWS miraculously emerge every time someone posts one of these capstone exercises, exposing it to be another false flag with pedophile ties pretty much says everything right there.

It's like I have some superpower. Somebody will jam a round current event into the square hole of their mind and when I point out they don't actually fit, I've exposed it as a false flag. Imagine that, evidence that it's not what they claim, is proof IT'S EXACTLY what they claim.

It's almost if a graduate student doing research into the idea that those prone Conspiracist Ideation will not only reject valid opposing evidence, they will claim that valid opposing evidence reaffirms their beliefs.

Or as Stephan Lewandowsky found in his article, The Role of Conspiracist Ideation and Worldviews in Predicting Rejection of Science, "any evidence against a conspiracy theory is reinterpreted as evidence in favour of it."

DeathToMasonsASAP

Sorry, you are a shill and a good one. Unlike most, I always give you credit for earning your money. Because of your talent for picking the right battles, I am often forced to give you props when you take down our dumber threads. Wonder how many of them were set ups for you to take down. No matter, even enemies can show respect. One day we will drink.

Are_we_sure

And yet you defame me with the false accusation I am paid.

I'm not a shill. I'm a voice for reason, which on this board makes me a dissenter.

ESOTERICshade

Thats nice but you and I don't see eye to eye. I believe pizzagate is real, and you do not.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Disagree. He knows it is real but his job is to discredit it. His or her. I got his, but who cares.

Are_we_sure

Nope. The original pizza-gate claims were universally false. After that they started finding real cases and trying to pretend they were linked. But there's zero evidence in the podesta emails of child trafficking.

Are_we_sure

Awww, does that mean Ian's not correct? He said we were a team.

Eueijw

The fucking and eating of small children is a moderately depressing subject. People like you are always on the take.

How much do they pay you for your time here?

Are_we_sure

Glad to hear you're only moderately depressed.

How did you get from John Podesta's emails to eating children? How the fuck did you convince yourself of that?

Are you only moderately depressed because part of you knows it's bullshit?

Blacksmith21

The ole wall-o-text. I'm not wasting my time with you asshat. It's pretty obvious you and your alt go after me for one reason only - I'm right.

So have a bag of dick flavored downvoats and go fuck yourself.

ESOTERICshade

I need a good laugh, Tell us again how "Israel never attacked another country, unlike Iran."

Stop posting stupid threads and you won't look stupid.

toutedesuite

The whole drama felt strangely surreal to me. Left many questions. How do we know _who these boys are? Why were they not immediately reunited with their parents? Why were their parents not all over the airwaves demanding action to save them? In other such crises, parents rush to the scene and refuse to budge until the rescue is complete. Why was the head coach not included in this escapade? Reports claimed he knew and deliberately charged the assistant coach with taling these boys to the cave. Where were their shoes when in the cave? We saw lots of pics of the rescue team treating foot wounds on the boys. Who hikes miles then walks into a cave barefoot? Also, they were shown mostly naked waist-up yet it was supposedly very cool and so the rescuers gave them foil blankets. Strange/wide range in ages for a soccer team. What league allows 16 year-olds to play with 11 and 12 year olds? Is it possible these are not local boys at all? That they were walked through an elaborate tunnel system over a great distance? Were they supposed to be met by a coyote type bad actor who was intercepted? So many questions....

septimasexta

REPOSTING MY SCENARIO: "The team received so much publicity that they are untouchable"

That's the goal for the pedos. I think this is a result of a plan gone wrong, and an attempt (successful) to turn it around. Unsworth already had approved access to the cave before the surprise flash flood. This would have messed up their theorized pre-planned tryst in the cave. The 12 (valuable) boys were assumed to be trapped in there (perhaps the "coach" had radio contact with him?) With missing boys, parents and police now became involved. The perfect cover and remedy is to become the hero, along with your other cave buddies. Kids recovered, original pedo tryst covered, great PR and a free 5-year Travel Visa- WIN-WIN! Now, why would a high profile billionaire with a high tech sub be squeezed out of the rescue attempt and he then goes on twitter and very publicly refers to the "hero" as a PEDO? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Oh_Well_ian

You're on to something here. Perhaps the soccer uniforms are a disguise as they walk the trafficking routes and they're not really a soccer team, at all. Where are the shoes? Now they are out of the cave, no contact with the parents over this 'cave disease' stuff? I call bullshit. That is a LIE to cover the fact that these boys were taken from or sold into slavery by their real parents. They can't reunite them, because that blows up the LARP.

Are_we_sure

How do we know _who these boys are?

It was known they were going to the cave when sudden thunderstorms hit and then didn't return to their families, so they searched for them.

Why were they not immediately reunited with their parents?

They all needed to be hospitalized and quarantined probably because they might have been breathing nasty stuff for 18 days in a cave.
https://www.reuters.com/video/2018/07/11/thai-boys-wave-to-world-from-hospital-sa?videoId=444239145&newsChannel=

Why were their parents not all over the airwaves demanding action to save them?

How can you ask that question if you paid attention to this story. Action was happening all the time. It was incredibly difficult and dangerous to find them.

They went cave exploring. Then a downpour happened and the cave flooded trapping them in the cave. It took over a week to locate them. They were up on a high ledge like 2 km from the entrance and most of those 2 KMs were underwater in total darkness and muddy water. A Thai Navy seal died after delivering oxygen tanks to them. When they finally had the plan ready to get the kids out, they could only get a few kids out PER DAY, because it took so long. Elon Musk only got involved because of the difficulty of what was being attempted.

Where were their shoes when in the cave? We saw lots of pics of the rescue team treating foot wounds on the boys.

They also got caught up in a flood.

Blacksmith21

They wouldn't have survived 48 hours without dying of hypothermia. In those conditions. 10 days? Bullshit.

Are_we_sure

First the socio-economic status of their local sports teams, now this. Damn, you know a fucking lot about Thailand.

So what temperature was it in those caves? What body temperatures should we expect the boys to be?

Are there ever caves where the cave temperature is hotter than it is outside?

Blacksmith21

You might want to take a look at a hypothermia chart. 70 degrees at 100 percent humidity. If it's that warm. If it's 60, shorten the duration to hypothermia. 10 days, no food, no light, no heat....yeah, makes sense. Maybe you should go spelunking sometime.

Are_we_sure

So it was all faked right? Done on a soundstage somewhere? Because if this is just one big simulation, Elon Musk was part of it.

Also you never did answer the question of what the temperature in that cave was.

Blacksmith21

Cave temps vary. It could have been as high as the 70s @ 100% humidity. Minimal clothing. Low O2 condtions. Check a hypothermia table.

I never said it was faked. I have no idea if Musk's sub would work or not.

Are_we__sure

You called a "capstone exercise" and a false flag. You said the kids would dead in two. How are you backing off those claims and saying you never said it was faked.

How do these comments make any sense if you are not claiming it was fake.

every time someone posts one of these capstone exercises, exposing it to be another false flag with pedophile ties

They wouldn't have survived 48 hours without dying of hypothermia. In those conditions. 10 days? Bullshit.

70 degrees at 100 percent humidity. If it's that warm. If it's 60, shorten the duration to hypothermia. 10 days, no food, no light, no heat....yeah, makes sense.

And the temperatures were not life threatening. Only the water temperatures were. Before the rescue they were talking about having to supply the boys for months if the rains got worse.

Blacksmith21

There is a difference between fake and false.

You know it and I know. Those boys were in transit for trafficking purposes.

They got lost a day or two and didn't show up on the other end. They sent in "the accused pedo guy" who knows the cave system better than anyone else. Laughable.

Why don't you strip down to your underwear and go see how long you last 2km underground...

Are_we__sure

Dude, go get some air. You've completely lost the thread.

There is a difference between fake and false.

And how does that difference play out in this case? They either did an extremely dangerous search and rescue operation over two weeks or they didn't. Do you think the kids were just hanging out somewhere safe for 10 days? Then they just had divers stash them in a flooded cave, so some other divers could get them out?

They sent in "the accused pedo guy" who knows the cave system better than anyone else. Laughable.

Your mind must be as twisted as that cave to make sense to you.

You're aware that all your evidence is an American billionaire with a bruised ego AND he did not say anything about the children being trafficked.

And because of his bruised ego he claimed the guy was a pedo with no evidence whatsoever. And at the mention of PEDO, you short-circuited and came up with this ridiculous scenario.

Those children probably would have died without the guy Elon Musk defamed.

Blacksmith21

You are starting to sound like CNN. You are doing quite the job of defending the indefensible. If I were on the outside looking in, I'd wonder what why AWS is providing such stringent defense against the obvious.

As sure as ferrets are ferrets.

Are_we__sure

You are backing away from your own claims because you know that if you tried to explain them you couldn't because they make no sense, there's no coherence

You made up a story and tried to fit it to the facts, but it doesn't fit and now you're trying to back away by making this about me.

Explain how they faked the cave rescue if it's so obvious.

Oh, excuse explain what's false about the cave rescue and then explain how that is different from faking it.

Blacksmith21

Simple - This was human trafficking op gone bad somehow. ###

Are_we_sure

This is the pure essence of pizza-gate logic. Giant, bold claim that flies in the face of reality and absolutely nothing to back it up.

And you are defaming a man who was critical in saving the lives of a dozen children while pretending to care about children.

And you will never admit that because you are too pigheaded and intellectually dishonest to do so.

Blacksmith21

And if I recall correctly, you won't publicly denounce pedophilia in all forms, as defined, and demand life imprsonment or a swift execution for pedos. M'right?

Are_we_sure

Elon Musk Apologized to the guy today.

Nonetheless, his actions against me do not justify my actions against him, and for that I apologize to Mr. Unsworth and to the companies I represent as leader. The fault is mine and mine alone.

Are_we_sure

You are wrong.

Cc1914

Wow that tweet doesn’t exist now .. anyone else see the same ? Hope it’s archived.

auralsects

lmao this thread is what it looks like to nuke your credibility forever. controlled burn of obvious 3-letter kikeshill @21BlackDicks

Shizy

How predictable, blowjob boy talking about black dicks. Can't get enough can you faggot? 🖕🏻

Oh_Well_ian

guy with -457 downvoats pontificating about credibility

lol have another -1, faggot

septimasexta

LOL!

Blacksmith21

Over the target.

Oh_Well_ian

so over the target... AWS and ES brigading with their multiple ALTS

What cunts... lol

darkknight111

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2417302 Mega thread regarding Asia.

Thailand is a major hub for trafficking.

The head shill jumping to defend the diver means you're over the target. AWS should simply shut his liberal filth mouth.

DeathToMasonsASAP

USA is bigger hub. So there is that..

Are_we__sure

Nothing felt right to me from the start.

No big news story ever does though, does it?

ESOTERICshade

I seriously doubt this guy took an entire soccer team to a cave only to have them disappear into the child trafficking system and be unable to explain what happened to them. Occam's Razor would suggest they went on a field trip and got in over their head.

WalnutSauceGoat

Looking at the responses here, you’re clearly up against the Dunning–Kruger effect,...

ESOTERICshade

Looking at the responses here, you’re clearly up against the Dunning–Kruger effect,...

Apparently so. Either its Dunning Kruger or some seriously talented psychics. My bet is on Dunning. None of us know if there is any pedo activity surrounding this situation with the information available and Elon Musk is not something I will hang my hat on unless additional information comes along. I wouldn't take rat killing instructions from Elon Musk.

WalnutSauceGoat

Hanlon’s Razor also applies.

Oh_Well_ian

Elon Musk is way smarter and more accomplished than you, AWS. Once again, you are lying by omission and are ignoring the conflict between Space-X, Google and North Korea.

Don't ever open up a tea reading business.

ESOTERICshade

Elon Musk is way smarter and more accomplished than you, ES. Once again, you are lying by omission and are ignoring the conflict between Space-X, Google and North Korea.

Elon Must is a PR Stunt whore with a FAKE Space X company and an almost fake Tesla car company. The man is not impressive. AGAIN, VERNON UNSWORTH DID NOT TAKE THE KIDS INTO THE CAVE, HE ONLY SHOWED UP FOR THE RESCUE.

Oh_Well_ian

it's all falling apart...

you can feel it, can't you?

DeathToMasonsASAP

Reverse psychology?..by the way, this thread is effective shill work. Because... I..Don't....know... You guys kicked ass in this one, because I am not sure either way.

IpointOutTrolls

Go back to the Q sub where real details are not required. Elon Musk is a circus freak and the guy he accused was not responsible for taking the kids into the cave.

Oh_Well_ian

UH… Elon Musk's company is taking US Military satellites into orbit, you stupid son of a bitch.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Space X is fake nonsense. They use a private company for space program now because NASA was under scrutiny. This is a private affair now, so they have more protection. Never worry, they lose money indefinitely and stay afloat indefinitely. Magic.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Most of the worlds Trafficking comes from USA

Are_we__sure

100% of humans in Thailand are not trafficked.

Now what?

DeathToMasonsASAP

What does you comment mean? Went over my head. Not being sarcastic.

Are_we__sure

It's basically an issue with how to statistics or probability. You're comparing two different sets of numbers.

Let's take US deaths from terrorism in 2001 , the year of 9/11.

99.99% of US deaths from terrorism in 2001 occurred in NYC.

What does that tell us about risk a New Yorker has of dying from terrorism. 99.99% is a big scary number, but it actually doesn't tell us much. Because while 3,000 people died on 9/11 NYC has over 8 million people and another 2 million who come to work or visit.

Even with a spectacular day of 3,000 dead 99.7% of NYC would not die from terrorists.

So my point was almost 100 percent of people in Thailand are not trafficked and there are 70 million people in Thailand. The idea that you can take a random group of children in Thailand and assume they are sex trafficking victims is absurd if you understand the actual numbers.

But our brains don't work this way unless we slow down and think through a problem. Psychologists call this the "availability heuristic" if can easily recall something you will probably overestimate its probability. If you look at US terrorists deaths for the last 15 years, you will find that an American has a greater chance of dying by falling out of bed than by terrorism. But we don't think about falling out of bed deaths, so this seems impossible when we first hear it. But we fear terrorism and discuss it so much, it seems like a likely answer, that it happens actually more than it does.

DeathToMasonsASAP

Interesting. I guess none of us know then. But I do know it is a place that pedos go, not a place that is a known home of pedos. The customers seem to come from USA and UK, other places as well of course. They exploit the Thais. So Thailand is the villain? The filthy foreigners descending on Thailand is the problem, as well as the corrupted Thai authorities. USA has an epidemic of pedophiles, a casual browsing of Megans law sites will prove shocking, the volume of perps listed.

Blacksmith21

That's the most illogical explanation of them all. Extreme risk and danger associated with such a task. Even for Thailand. If they were part of an organized sports team (like Little League) 1) they would have been from a higher social status and thus more cared for/looked after and 2) any sanctioned sports team has basic liability restrictions which would not allow an organized trip like that.

ESOTERICshade

You do realize that the guy Musk called a pedo DID NOT TAKE THE KIDS INTO THE CAVE but only showed up for the rescue. Right?

Are_we__sure

If they were part of an organized sports team (like Little League) 1) they would have been from a higher social status and thus more cared for/looked after and 2) any sanctioned sports team has basic liability restrictions which would not allow an organized trip like that.

You are projecting on to a country you know nothing about. Are sports teams in Thailand like Little League in America? You are reaching here to try to justiy your theory and you know it. You are not using logic.

ESOTERICshade

That's the most illogical explanation of them all. Extreme risk and danger associated with such a task. Even for Thailand. If they were part of an organized sports team (like Little League) 1) they would have been from a higher social status and thus more cared for/looked after and 2) any sanctioned sports team has basic liability restrictions which would not allow an organized trip like that.

In this particular case I find it illogical to jump to conclusions without more information. Maybe the guy is a pedo that planned to disappear these kids but without a shred of information I think its silly to jump to that conclusion.

Oh_Well_ian

lol You are now on the same side of the courtroom as Are_we_sure

hahahahaha… it was only a matter of time.

ESOTERICshade

lol You are now on the same side of the courtroom as Are_we_sure

When Are We Sure is making more sense than you are, it might be time to rethink your strategy. Vernon Unsworth DID NOT take the kids into the cave, he just showed up for the rescue.

Blacksmith21

"Shows up for the rescue". Gimme a fucking break. That's like the murderer leading the search party. He was probably the ops guy for the ring and had to take charge of things so as not to get exposed. More will come out soon.

Oh_Well_ian

Sure... Musk weighs in on this issue, putting tens of millions of dollars at risk in potential share price declines, because he's an idiot who can't keep his mouth shut.

You sad fucker... You are becoming more unhinged, every day.

DeathToMasonsASAP

He has no risk of share price drops, worlds Central Banks buy his stock like crazy. They are the one propping him up, not the value of his money hemorrhaging enterprises. He is a loser that never wins, never has success. Never makes a profit. He is subsidized, kept afloat by the international banking cartel. The controllers.

ESOTERICshade

Sure... Musk weighs in on this issue, putting tens of millions of dollars at risk in potential share price declines, because he's an idiot who can't keep his mouth shut.

Tesla loses a billion dollars a year. He can't keep his piece of shit car from exploding in flames. His Space X company is a fake and a fraud. The guy he called a pedo didn't take the kids into the cave, he only showed up for the rescue. At least I have a few facts. Maybe the guy is a pedo, maybe he ain't, but so far we have nothing more than Elon Musk's silly comment.


The divers said the sub was too long to turn the corners in the cave and could not be used. This was most likely another of Musk's publicity stunts.

Oh_Well_ian

You dumb Q denying cunt... What we have is Google backdooring Space-X technology and funneling it to the CIA North Korea psyop.

It's all coming to and end, faggot.

Starting to wonder if your name is on a sealed indictment? hahahaha !!! FUCK YOU

ESOTERICshade

You dumb Q denying cunt

Has it ever occurred to you that Trump already publicly stated that he would not go after HIllary Clinton? So far only one of us has been right, and it ain't you.

Oh_Well_ian

It's a dream of mine to meet you one day and smash your fucking face in, faggot.

Maybe I will visit you at GITMO.

Oh_Well_ian

lol oh.. now you TRUST what Trump says, you total faggot. lol

'there will be information and disinformation'

'the choice to see will be yours'

YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY, SHITBAG.

Blacksmith21

Check this out. Look at the intersection of the major trafficking routes in Thailand. The nexus is Chiang Rai - location of the cave system.

Are_we_sure

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Elon Musk's sub would have worked?

I hadn't paid close attention to this story, but watched some news videos yesterday.

The cave diver experts on site rejected this idea and got the kids out using their experience and expertise. The rescue was already underway by the time Musk showed up.

Musk had a team of SpaceX engineers working feverishly over the weekend to construct the device. Thai officials began the rescue operation before Musk's team had completed his work. But Musk decided to complete the device anyway and personally flew to Thailand to deliver it to the rescue site.

According to The Guardian, when Musk arrived with his device, Thai officials made it clear that it wasn't needed. "Although his technology is good and sophisticated, it’s not practical for this mission ," said Narongsak Osatanakorn, the head of the joint command center coordinating the rescue effort. At that point, Thai officials had already finished rescuing at least eight of the 12 boys and were already planning the third and final rescue mission.

Musk has been apparently pissed off since this comment was made on July 10th. So when Vern Unsworth made his comment 3 days later, this had been going on for a bit.

And it wasn't a sub was it? It was just a long narrow tube that would be pulled by the divers.

Here's a comment from Ars Technica

I am a certified cave diver (both NACD and NSSCDS) and when I was living in a part of the country where a lot of cave diving takes place I was on a recovery team (fortunately I was never involved in any actual recoveries). I would be very leery about trying to use that thing in a cave with restrictions (that's the technical term for "pinch points" ). I certainly wouldn't be on the cave side of it (as opposed to the entrance side - when I was acting as a guide I wouldn't even be on the non-entrence side of fat divers if the system had restrictions). It also looks like it would be very easy for the divers to get seriously injured trying to maneuver it. Especially if, as the media has reported, there are currents in the water - and in low-to-no visibility conditions as has also been reported. It would also be exhausting and dramatically increase the divers' breathing gas use. Without knowing more about the actual circumstances in a given rescue, I can see almost no advantages in trying to use that in a real cave over what the divers are doing now. Both are very, very dangerous but the tube adds the possibility of trapping or injuring divers as well as the rescued person (and everyone else further in the cave).

I don't know from this story but I wonder if any actual cave divers were involved in the development of this thing or if this is another example of the modern tech world not knowing what it doesn't know. Cave diving is not like open water diving and this is a circumstance where the "move fast and break things" approach is one I wouldn't want anything to do with. The people to listen to in this circumstance are not people in the tech community but the actual divers in the water there. There is a reason that so much specialty cave diving equipment is made in north-central Florida and not silicon valley.

I don't question the designers' motives, just how workable a solution this in this case.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/elon-musk-built-a-submarine-to-rescue-thailand-kids-heres-what-it-looks-like/

The criticism of the tube was that since it was 5 feet long and rigid, it couldn't maneuver around bends. Another interesting comment from Ars Technica. This seems practical, if it was watertight.

Another company designed what was effectively a body bag with an air supply. That would be much simpler to manoeuvre than this rigid cylinder. And simpler to move when empty as it could be folded.

It appears that the Tesla effort made have been always thought of as a backup plan.

Oh_Well_ian

Yep... listen to ES and AWS, now tag teaming. Ignoring evidence and squashing intuitive investigating.

Musk weighing in and going against the worldwide narrative indicates something very, very big is happening.

Blacksmith21

"The entrepreneur’s outburst came after diver Vern Unsworth told Mr Musk to “stick his submarine where it hurts"

derram

https://archive.fo/12IZJ :

Elon Musk Calls British Diver in Thai Cave Rescue a ‘Pedo’ - The Daily Beast


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