I think you're doing a fantastic job of explaining why pizzagate doesn't make any sense to outsiders and why journalists have such a hard time explaining it. Can you come up with a one or two sentence description that explains how a group of people went from from John Podesta's email are stolen to child sex trafficking? One would that make sense to a rational human being?

Because this doesn't cut it.

The media, and now alt media aren't addressing the emails, the use of codeJPG, the donations to Comet by Soros and Clinton, Alefantis calling babies "hotards", Alefantis threatening Ryan's life, Alefantis saying he doesn't like children at all, yet is taking a baby to "the farm", calling his friends "chickenlovers"JPG

Do expect people to understand what you are talking about? How have you convinced yourself all that added up to something. Also there are several things that are flat out false.

The truth is Pizzagate starts with a group of folks who hate Hillary Clinton and have done so for years and years before the Podesta emails came out. You're basically kidding yourself if you think this starts anywhere else. Reporters and regular public read through John Podesta's emails. There's pretty much nothing shocking about them. Except a cult of people on Reddit's theDonald who all hated Hillary Clinton tried to make them look sinister and for some people they were successful. TheDonald was not an ordinary group of Trump voters, they were a cult. If you dissented from anything you got banned. They portrayed Trump as their God Emperor. They portrayed Hillary Clinton as the Devil incarnate and they were dishonest about it. You are repeating several of the basic dishonesties that formed the start of pizzagate.

the use of code

You have zero proof any code was used in John Podesta's email. There's plenty of proof that the code list that was claimed was completely false. This alone sinks Pizzagate. And this by itself is why pizzagate was debunked.

the donations to Comet by Soros and Clinton

I'm sorry, but this is a fail. This was a claim by people who had no idea what the documents they were looking at. There were no donations whatsoever to Comet. There were expenses. If Hilary Clinton's campaign buys pens, they had to declare that. If they pay a business to make up a bunch of signs they have to declare that. Comet Ping Pong is a business it doesn't take donations. The expenses you are looking at are people buying pizza. If you had pizza delivered to the office or went out and had a business meeting over dinner at Comet, you had to declare it. This is simply false. Also being connected to Soros and Clinton are not evidence you are part of child sex ring.....this is a good example of the deep prejudice at the heart of this project. Fun Fact. James Alefantis had never met Hillary Clinton. He was friends with the Podestas but not connected to her. He knew people who knew her, but he did not.

Alefantis calling babies "hotards"

And?

A. How do you know who Alefantis was called a hotard or what he had in mind when he did it?

B. How do you think this is evidence of child trafficking? It appears to be joke on Instagram between friends? Even if it's in poor taste or ou·tré or even flat out sick, how do you jump from jokes between the small group of people following his public Instagram to child trafficking? There's no connection.

I think a lot of what ended up being pizzagate is just a culture clash. People being suprised by the a way an irony-drenched, artsy crowd talks.

Alefantis threatening Ryan's life

And you know this actually happened? This guy couldn't even convince this board that it was real.

Alefantis saying he doesn't like children at all

How is this evidence of criminality?

taking a baby to "the farm",

Or this. These just seem like you have already decided the guy is a child molester and then are looking for references to children.

calling his friends "chickenlovers"

This is one of the few genuine references to pedophiles, but even to go from this to child sex trafficking is just a massive, massive leap, especially as it appears to be a joke. The way straight guys might make jokes about their friends being a "homo' or a 'fudgepacker." It doesn't make it real.

What you are have is a giant string of things that don't show what you believe them to, and some being obviously false. Each piece doesn't lead to child sex trafficking and the chain of them together doesn't lead to child sex trafficking.

I guessed people downvoated because you wrote 'We Never Called it "Pizzagate".

@V____Z , there's a great article linked in our sidebar on the origins of PG, written by the guy who started the Pizzagate subreddit. It's well documented. He picked the name, if I recall correctly. I think he started the separate sub to prevent T_D from getting shut down by Reddit on our account.

@MeatballPizza @septimasexta

Also, related to the NYT fake definition article is the fake WeThePizza hack with the menu of kids -- a smokescreen to confuse everyone about the real hack of Comet's server which was connected to five other servers hosting child porn, including one in Berlin.

Hillary actually blamed "Pizzagate" as one of the reasons she lost in her autobio about the election. So we may be talking 3 or 4 Supreme Court picks decided by this little 'conspiracy theory'!

There was also a very active 4chan discussion of the Wikileaks publishing of the DNC emails and John Podesta's email. In fact, one night I remember seeing a post there where Podesta's actual password was mentioned as he hadn't bothered to change it EVER AFTER THE LEAKS.

You think these folks are brilliant. Go watch the documentary on WEINER and you'll see they're not.

4chan took the Instagram posts and made a number of memes on them. Ditto the pizza-related posts. 4chan and The_Donald were acting parallel in getting out word. Again, all this grew out of the Spirit Cooking discussion. Once you see it within the context of child sacrifice and Satan worshipping, none of it seems impossible.

The Alefantis odd Instagram posts (kill rooms, babies with money, jokes about auctioning babies, the odd bands that played at Comet Pizza, his being listed as a 'most powerful' person in D.C., and visiting the White House) fueled it. A "leak by leak" analysis on The_Donald is where I first saw the odd "pizza related hankerchief" email questioned.

Any history of 'Pizzagate' should include "Spirit Cooking." That was the first discussion of Podesta and odd occult practices. Those odd images of the 'performance art' Satanic ceremony had gone on for a couple weeks. Podesta was seen as part of that. The odd artwork of his brother was also being discussed. Then the "pizza" emails were highlighted.

The MSM immediately branded and 'debunked' everything as a conspiracy theory - without ever showing or discussing the odd Instagram photos and posts.

Reposted IT ALL STARTED WITH THE WIKILEAKS CLINTON / PODESTA EMAIL DUMPS

One of the Chans or Reddit noticed emails between Uma and Hillary regarding the Laura Silsby affair in Haiti. They were surprised that she was aware of Silsby's "ministry" before Haiti. Of course Silsby had been convicted of child trafficking in Haiti. The Clintons were instrumental in getting her out of jail. Researching this led to other connections and references in the emails, including Comet Pizza and owner James Alefantis. The inclusion of the FBI pedo symbols in the wikileaks dump led to more discoveries. The odd pizza references from Podesta and friends as well as a fundraiser held at Comet Pizza drew the investigator's attention. Early access to Alefantis' public Instagrams as well as friends' comments really opened the door into a non-mainstream culture. It was discovered that Alefantis was listed as 49th most powerful in DC by an established magazine. This seemed very odd, so Alefantis' connections were examined which led to David Brock and even Lynn Rothschild, and of course Hillary Clinton and John Podesta via the fundraising circuit. The Alefantis Instagram photos referred to a "kill room" and showed perhaps unregistered building modifications on Alefantis property which included what appeared to be a tunnel of some sort and many other creepy images including lots of children. The more researchers dug, the darker it got. To sum it up, it was a more ORGANIC discovery made by numbers of random researchers, who didn't necessarily know each other, nor were they formally organized. Different groups emphasized different areas of research at the beginning. Most initially knew nothing about child trafficking or pedo culture. Knowledge increased over time. And yes, Jimmy Comet does own a basement. It is in his Buck's Fishing and Camping restaurant a few doors down from Comet Ping Pong. Both restaurants have two stories - Buck's has a basement and the main floor restaurant. Comet has the main floor restaurant and a second story above. How it is utilized, no one knows for sure. Later, a researcher claimed to have hacked Comet's website and found cp on it. He allegedly reported his findings to the DC police and received a written receipt acknowledging this. A few days later, actor Maddison Welch shows up at Comet and allegedly shot the computer tower, although there were no direct witnesses. Many researchers believed the incident to be a FF. Early on, the MSM tried to discredit researchers as more of their findings leaked out to the masses. I do not think they coined the term Pizzagate. I think it just became know as that by researchers as the information regarding the pizza code words grew. Of course the MSM had to call it something, in order to discredit the research, so the name Pizzagate was used. Personally, I think the name has helped our cause because it generates curiosity and people would seek out info on it. It also helps to expose the very real use of food terms by pedo culture and disrupts their covert operations. Still not sure about the pizza connection? Just "duck duck go" this: miley cyrus lips pizza photos

nytimes - https://archive.fo/Kl5KL - https://archive.fo/XpVTc

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